Personally I am not looking to get into an argument with any provider or agency yet if I am too spend $$$ on a provider claiming to be a GFE what I expect is DFK and BBBJ as simple as this. I am a guy with great hygeine and a nice build and if this were not to happen, believe me I would be upset and would post of the provider ASAP. $$$ is a good sum of paper to invest in fun and it is done in hopes of a good time. Any feedback.

I agree with you 100%

Too many claim to be GFE but are far from it. I would rely more on an indy than on a service provider.

If a real GFE provider is someone your looking for I would suggest going indy, some of the better are Mel the voluptious beauty, Lilly for pleasure, Danielle, AngelAnn, and I'm sure I'm forgetting a few.

We as hobbyist should post whenever we a wronged. $$$ is hard earned and we should get what is advertised out of our session.

Good Luck!

Best advice is to stick with the reputable indy providers in the area.

I second that!

Thank you

Why thank you! I know for sure, the other ladies mentioned, would thank you, as well!!! I certainly do enjoy what I do Although, I may not be everyone's cuppa tea, the men who have met me, can say that I do give my 200% percent, in what I may have to offer As I know the the beautiful ladies that have been mentioned, are as reputable, are of the same cloth Trust me, there are more wonderful ladies, yet to be mentioned as well!

Sincerely,

Mel

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First I want to commend you on the good hygiene.  I was enjoying sushi with a good male friend this evening (who is not a hobbyist, just a lifelong friend) who is privy to my sideline.  Anyway, I was telling my friend about the crazy calls I have been getting the past couple of weeks, and about 2 new men I met who could take a lesson from you regarding their hygiene.  My friend suggested I post a public service message on TER reminding guys to think before they call or visit.

The two new gents I met were both highly educated professionals, in fact one is a medical professional who should have known better (he does not read the boards, so I will not hurt his feelings with this post).  I understand people often come to visit providers from the office or even after running around to meetings all day.  Remember guys, you can always ask to take a shower!  A lady should never have to suffer from bad breathe, BO or odors down below the belly button!  ~  What this creates is a serious YMMV situation.  The guy I met yesterday thinks he had me at my best, but I can assure you a lot more would have taken place had he been fresh and clean.  I could barely kiss him let alone enjoy other fun things.  After 2 hours I could not wait for him to leave (and that is not my style).  Now he is writing for another appointment and I don't even think I will answer him.  It is not my job to be his mother and address his stinkiness!  Too bad, he was fascinating to talk to and not a bad lover-that is as long as I kept my breathing shallow!

Besides the hygiene issue I would like to address telephone etiquette.  Seldom do I receive rude or crude e-mails, but lately some weird people have been calling.  First off they try to call from calling cards or blocked numbers, calls which I (and many other ladies) will not answer.  When you do get some new guys on the phone they will ask questions like "Where are you now?", "How much?", or think they decide to play Monty Hall from Let's Make a Deal.  Many of us have websites so that we can provide most of the information required to make an appointment.  So please read the web sites before calling and placing us in an uncomfortable situation!  Also, don't ever lie and say you saw someone if you didn't-whether that is directly to the provider or when using another provider as a reference. (One guy lied to me today, saying we had met before, and when I asked him where he confessed we never met.  I just said goodbye and hung up.  Bad way to start a new friendship and no dude, you cannot make it up to me! He actually called back to ask!)

Please don't misconstrue this as a rant.  I mention this because regardless of how good a provider is, don't expect to passionately sample dishes from around the world if you cannot show some common sense and respect towards the lady.  While most experienced men understand how to play the game, some of the newbies might need to be reminded here and there of the rules of common courtesy while hobbying.

One more thing: GFE encompasses a wide range of styles and experiences.  BBBJ and DFK can be had in a quickie agency appointment or during an extended sensual encounter where things progress more slowly (i.e. sitting on the sofa sipping champagne with candlelight and music, slowly pecking each other until a light tease turns into a hot erotic frolic vs. having a tongue shoved down your throat as you enter the door and your pants at your knees before you had a chance for a proper hello!).  Having BBBJ and DFK as part of an encounter does not necessarily mean it was a decent GFE, because you can have those things and still be rushed or persuaded to move on in a progressive manner, and not for your own benefit.

I too do not mean to rehash or challenge the fact the term GFE is overused, but I did want to address the common courtesy issue as well as clarifying that there is a wide spectrum of experiences available that fall under the umbrella of GFE. Of course let's not forget that when you combine those factors with each individual's preference, the term GFE can take on a whole new light.  Always keep in mind with that reviews and posts should be taken with a grain of salt.  Not that they do not contain some substance but some guys will post anything if they think it will earn them attention and points with a provider, so assess the entire picture (as in all reviews and opinions) before making your decision and you will make much more educated choices and find your that your encounters are much more satisfying in the end.

Thanks again for being a *fresh* guy!  

Enjoy~   Kate

Base on my experience, most of the younger providers (between 18 to 20 yrs old) and new providers are NOT GFE (i.e. don't provide DFK or BBBJ).  So, when I see such a provider advertising as GFE, I would interpret the term "GFE" more conservatively.  Of course, there are exceptions and YMMV is always a factor.  But, I think a new or younger provider is less likely to provide a GFE session.  Does anyone share the same opinion, or am I just living in my little world?

-1man10fingers

I hate to beat a dead horse yet after a long days work I called up RS and talked to provider who stated RACHEL was a GFE. Have been with a number of her providers and in general have had good results. Thought it would be fun for a surprise with a new GFE. WTF, no kissing, no BBBJ just a quickie. To say it pissed me off is a conservative term. Gentleman, this is bullshit, I have read the terminology of GFE and my interpretation had a meaning that it is the girlfriend experience. My girl does not slap a jimmy on my cock. What the f..k. I am pissed and will never bother with this agency again.

As I stated to you in an email. Check her reviews! All of the reviews are great and they all said she did DFK, and was a great provider. This was just a case of YMMV. I will not force my girls to ever do anything that they do not feel comfortable doing. Just because she does one thing with one person is no garentee that she will do the same with you.  She is listed as GFE because she offers Greek, DFK, DATY, Russian, CBJ and FS. If she is comfortable with someone she does do BBBJ, as this has been confirmed by a few of her regular clients.
I am sorry that you did not like her, but this is a YMMV situation.
Jill

I do agree that alot of young providers do not offer GFE sessions.  Why?  Some can get by with their good looks alone with out having to offer GFE sessions.  Others are fairly new to the business and are not comfortable with doing so or...Are really unexperienced in the bedroom all together.

I agree with Jill to a point.  Myself I would never try to market any of my ladies if they are not GFE as a GFE.  I think it is unprofessional and dishonest.  I do have some ladies that offer GFE sessions but "AT THEIR OWN DESCRETION".  If you have bad hygiene or a poor attitude please expect an all inclusive session but not much more than that.  I feel that it is just common sense.  I could be wrong, but I don't think I am.  The other day the same topic came up with a young lady Sapphire (Please refer back to topic).  Let me ask a question.  If you arrived at an appointment and a lady leaned in to kiss you and hug you.  You then smelt her bad breath and body oder from under her arms. Would you want to stay?  You would probably turn into "SPEEDY GONZALES".  Right?  Same difference on a providers end, but we can't leave.  

If I feel hygiene is an issue I will ask a client to hop into the shower.  I make sure I always have fresh towels and a fresh bar of soap at the end of the tub.  If a guy is reluctant I tell them I will hop in with them and wash their back for them.  If a guy refuses to shower he has two option.  One is to leave or the second is to stay. At this point he is the one keeping himslef from a great session.  I always offer a good service to everyone at the least but I strive to make the experience unforgetable.  I just can't stress how important good hygiene is.  I myself alays take a shower before, between, after an appointment.  The "Baby wipe" wipe down I don't feel is sufficient went it comes to being clean.  I feel at the least I can expect that from clients.

Tia  
Just my opinion on this topic.

Thanks for the added comments TIA. As for what the reasoning if Jill, this is total bull. I called your agency as I have in the past looking specifically for a GFE in which the operator stated Rachel was. I am a good looking fit male with a nice package, not to toot my own horn. Yes the breath was clean and I had cleaned up below so my question now begs for a much better answer. There was country music on and I am a black male. I hope this isn't the answer and I would not put this on a provider. Yet for you to say she has done it with other clients, yet not me. WTF, that's a load of crap. You can drop me another letter if you like yet till it is cleared up believe me I will never use your agency even after having luck with many of your clients. There are too many providers to worry about YMMV, that is a load of shit, why not just put this on their label and drop the GFE.

I just saw Racheal this past week and what a gem.

She did only offer a cbj, but she was honest to explain that she prefer me to be a regular before she does bbbj.

She is an awesome provider, and I will see her again.

Duke

Please stop with your girls are GFE.. Girls that you claim are GFE, are not. Please read the reviews of your ladies, and you'll see they are no where near GFE.

And it's not good to bite the hands that feed you.........We don't all have hygiene problems!!

Duke

I hope that all the providers will follow your practice on keeping good hygiene (or at least take a shower before and after an appointment).  About two years ago, I had an appointment with a traveling provider from an agency with good reputation back then.  In the middle of DATY, I found a loose hair on the provider's shaved beaver!  Well, I didn't even want to think where the hair came from.  I was totally turned off and needless to say, that was the last time I use that agency (and lucky to say, that was the only time that I encounter that kind of situation).

-1man10fingers

I dont want to reahash the whole hygiene thing..as all providers  have had the dirty clients thing happen.,I even had a client come in..ask to use the bathroom..proceed to stay about 10 minutes on the throne..then..not even wash and wonder why I did not want to speak asain. as i looked upon the piece of tp  firmly attached...please  and I dont want to tell horror stories but I even had to change all sheets midday do to a HUGE accident. upon release...try explaining that to the front desk...I wanted to quickly state that all reviews are 1/2 truth half fish stories ..with people wanting to one up the next on what they recieved from a provider..dont get me wrong I would never recomend  seeing someone without any reviews..you dont know what your getting..the people that answer the phones  can only go on what the girls say they do and what the clients say the girls do..they (phone people ) have never had a "session " with the girls..so dont blame them too much if they say they are gfe and you dont think they are..some clients think if they got one kiss the girl is GFE and others have a mental check list they use throughout the session..I am going to probably get some flack for this... but ..some clients really expect way too much..they  expexct the world in a half hour..but dont want to pay too much and expect to see a 18 yr old beauty queen who cant get enough of them. and upon a 5minute meeting is able to respond to their touches like an old girlfriend.. and charges them nothing..this is  a service..we all try the best we can.. if we did not really enjoy the work or the clients believe me..you'd be able to tell..so mabye the next time you show up for your half hour gfe apt.you stop in the convience store usually right next store to the hotel ..and buy a 99cent flower they have at the register or a bottle of water for the provider you are about to see..and before your very eyes when she opens the door she will turn into more of a GFE then  you expected her to be..believe me a little niceness go  a long way..longer than you can believe.. and when the fee is $125 and you only have $130 dont ask for the change..or ask to leave $120 if she does not have an extra $5....my 2 cents

Hi Hon,

I do not claim that all my ladies are GFE.  I know they all aren't so no point in saying they are.  I do read the reviews on my girls.  I even read the juicey details too. That's how I know what girls do and don't do and as well as what they tell me they do too.  Myself,  I never claim to be a GFE but I do offer many qualities that many GFE have.  I am big on hygiene so I don't say I am a GFE because I do not offer the same type of session to every guy.  I don't want anyone to be disappointed.  That's why I don't advertise myself as a GFE.  

When guys call and ask for a GFE I say which ladies are and at their own descretion.  This is what I say.  "So and so offers gfe session at her own descretion.  If you have good hygiene and are a gentleman you will be offered more PERKS".  I can't make it much clearer than that.  I don't know where your coming from with saying that none of my ladies are GFE.

I am not biting the hand that feeds me so "PLEASE" is what I can say to you about your comment.  I'm not saying that all guys have bad hygiene but there are more out there than you would expect.  I don't understan hoe any individual is not aware that they have bad hygiene.  I am such a hygiene freak myself.  That if I feel I am perspiring to much I jump in the shower immediately.  I can't even stend my own sweat!  That is the only point I am making.  If you read my reviews you will see that i offer different things to different guys.  i always offer an all inclusive session but different variations of it.  Remenmber hygiene is not the only issue.  being a gentelman also come into play.

Tia
XOXOXO

Although I provide DFK and BBBJ as apart of my normal service some recent appointments with guys of poor hygiene has made me want to reconsider. I think I will just continue to go by each guy but guys should really be sure to brush your teeth, wash your ass and put on some deodorant. It would make both our experiences so much more pleasurable.