I would like to get some feedback on what you guys (hob & prov) feel about the different verication processes, what the most popular are and what you feel is too intrusive?  Thanks for any and all replies.

I can understand the need for safety. I don't mind showing an ID or having an unblocked phone for a callback.

Duke

Verify Clients For Their Own Safety And The Safety Of The Providers That Work For Them And Intrust Their Lives In Them.  Showing Just An ID When A Girl Shows Up Or Un Blocking A Phone Number Is Really Not Cuting It In The Verification Department My Dear.
Better To Be Safe Then Sorry.

It never fails to astound me in this age of identity theft that providers think their screening process actually provides them any modicum of safety -- either from LE or psychotic clients.

If LE is targeting you, chances are they’ll get you. Do you REALLY think an undercover cop can’t come up with a phony business background and a photo ID? It just depends how badly they want to bust you, and fortunately I don’t think the hobby rates THAT high on their radar … yet. (Yes, I know there are exceptions and with John Ashcroft in power, who knows what he’s capable of.)

As far as the rest of us clients go, I’ve yet to see a screening process that couldn’t be sidestepped. You want home phone numbers? Work numbers? Drivers licenses? References? No problem. I can give ’em all without you ever knowing my true identity. Naturally, I’m not going to list the techniques here, but trust me, any halfway clever and determined fellow can meet with a provider and still preserve his anonymity. In any event, from what I’ve read, the typical serial killer (e.g. -- the Green River killer) is more inclined to prey upon streetwalkers, who most likely live a transitory lifestyle and would disappear with few questions asked, rather than upscale providers who undoubtedly are better established in the community.

Finally, suppose some psycho DOES give you his real info, but then something in his brain snaps during the session and he does you harm? So the cops may catch him. That’s all well and good, but it’s a small consolation if you’re hurt or worse.

The only way that I can think of truly to be safe is to have a partner (preferably big and strong) nearby monitoring the session with an audio device, ready to intercede if needed. Naturally you will have established ahead of time a code word to signal for help.

Finally, I think the chance of an upscale provider (with or without a screening process) getting hurt by a client is minimal, but I realize it does happen. Likewise, if a hobbyist does his homework, the odds of a his personal information getting into the wrong hands (either deliberately or by accident) is even smaller. So gals, feel free to screen if it eases your mind, but please don’t delude yourselves that it provides you with any true safety.

We've heard it a million times that you guy's can find away around the verification process. Most of us provider's DO understand where there is a will there is a way.

I know if LE wants you they will get you, I don't disillusion myself with the idea that they can't. Although I'm gonna make them work for it.....Yes, full verification. There is not one girl I know that thinks she is 100% safe!

My main concern is my SAFETY and anything I can do to help myself to stay a little bit safer from harm.....I will do. Verification is NOT foolproof no one claims it is. However this is a risky business.....I'm sorry that you think the chance of a provider getting hurt is minimal. Look at the poor girl in DC that was called to a home and beat,raped and assulted with a baseball bat and other things from 3 teenagers. It's a horrible crime but they will be punished for what they have done. And, being a provider I feel great knowing she turned these creeps in.....good for her!!! They deserve a harsh punishment.

Of course if your hurt or killed it is a small consolation......but if you had not verified the idenity(home location, work location, name) then they would have got away with it. I will do everything in my power to keep myself safe and if something does happen well then I want the person(s) to pay for their crime.

As far as your idea to keep someone truly safe......come on now. Ya right, I can see it now......"Hi John, come on in make yourself comfortable ......Oh don't sit there, my audio device won't come in good. Oh don't worry that big burly guy in the next room he won't bother us ."  I'm sorry but if someone resorts to  this method (taping a session) they should truly quit the business. I bet the married guy's out there would just  love this method.

I think each women has to find what form of verification that helps her feel a little safer. But I think someone should always know where the girl is having her call in before and after each encounter should be a must.

But the guy's should have a choice too....if a girl's verification process is not something your willing to do...then don't do it "period", move on to an agency or the rare indy that don't ask for such info.. But don't whine about a providers choice of verification method however disillusioned you might think we are, just move on. Verification is here to stay for this chickie.    Have a Great weekend! ~Chrissy~

I just followed your link to your site and you pretty much described your verification process as the same thing you are saying does not cut it.  Please explain your process that is not included here:

http://www.bostonblondeangel.com/times.htm

We do have a verification process that has been used by our Austin affiliate for quite some time, without incident.  I am always striving to improve every aspect of my business.  If I find a better way to build a mouse trap, I do.

Thanks for your input,
SMoB

Verification is very important for all the providers. Yes, it's not 100% fool proof, but I feel confident, that my chances are lowered, because of the process being being done. I encourage all ladies to screen, no matter how you may choose to do it, as long as it's comfortable for you Anyways, I hope that everyone has a great weekend!

Melinda

Client Verification is important for the provider; however it is a real problem for the hobbyist.  I just can't give out my home address/phone or work name/phone.  I did once and never again.  This eliminates me from seeing some ladies I would really like to meet, but that is the price I have to pay.

Sometimes you get lucky though.  I did see someone from an agency that I really connected with.  When she went independent and started verification she remembered me and I didn’t have to provide anything but my name and phone.  Because of this, I have been able to enjoy her company many times since.

The very things you say don't cut it, are the same things you ask for to verify a client.

Just for the record. The clients also face dangers. We never know who is going to be waiting for us on the other side of the hotel room door. We never know what will be done with the info we provide, and we never know when LE is doing a sting.

It's a dangerouse business for all involved. But, we want the sweets and the ladies want the dough.

Duke

It is very easy to spoof an ID for almost any verification process. If you do it once, you begin to build a history with providers that can be used for additional reference. The spoofed ID begins to have a reputation for sterling character, and providers are just as safe as they would be if they knew the clients real ID. Does everyone see my point? The phony identity begins to acquire a reputation that reflects the real character of the client, and his character is something that can't be spoofed.

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Reitto!

Quality Sweets used to use code words on check in and out and a two call sequence on check out. A good sized driver willing to bust through a door if his charge were to be threatened is not a bad idea either.

screening does ease my mind, but what eases my mind the most is like you said, having someone there for protection. I always have security around and yes i lose out on clients because of this but I prefer to be safe than sorry

With the hobbyist's real name, some idea of where he lives, his phone number and a few bucks, anyone can find a lot of information about him from sites such as:

http://www.intelius.com/

http://www.knowx.com/

http://www.publicdata.com/

I was astounded to find a lot of information about myself and my family members by entering our names in one of these sites.  Anyway, Hobbyists who think they can protect their identity by providing  minimal information to agencies/providers (or anyone else who is saavy about gathering data from the internet) are fooling themselves.  

The bottomline is that this hobby business is based on trust. I can give detail information about myself to providers like Chrissy and Melinda and trust that they would never misuse what I told them.  But I would be very hesitant to give out much more than references of other providers to a new lady I want to see.  If she  is willing to accept references from other providers, I would see her.  Otherwise, I would just move on.

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Real name and provider references. Nothing too invasive.

I do not like to give employment info or home info. I realize there are public databases that are readily available on the internet that names can be traced with. In most cases you need a lot of time and the results are sometimes sketchy.

The kind of client screening is determined by the background of the agency management or, in the case of an independent provider, on her professional background. People do things at best the way they were trained to do. If the management has a background in law enforcement their screening will reflect that. If they have experience in secret service the style will be a little different. If they have experience in banking or fraud prevention that would bring a few other aspects to the process. People with experience in some sort of information field know better how to do a more effective non-intrusive screening. They collect less information but they collect it better and use it better. Also, chances are they will keep whatever information is necessary for the conduction of the business and not more or less than that.

If the person doesn't have background in any of that she will just look at what the others seem to be doing and emulate the same behavior. The others ask for an unblocked phone? She will do the same, doesn't matter if that means something or not. If the others ask for a specific piece of information she will tend to ask for the same piece of information even though she doesn't know what to do with it sometimes.

There are several ways to verify pieces of information about the client discreetly and quickly that many providers don't know about, and even many agencies have no clue. There are ways to verify non-listed phone numbers. There are ways to know exactly the level of service of an hotel in seconds no matter where it is. There are ways to check a client's address even if he doesn't have a home phone number, and so on...

The kinds of client screening have nothing to do with the efficiency of the methods themselves, but with the training and background of the screener.

On top of that, the marketing strategy of an agency or provider deeply affects the needs and requirements of screening. Different agencies target different niches of the market and therefore may have different screening policies for a good reason.

If an independent relies on phone numbers, addresses and an ID for security purposes and doesn't look at he whole picture the chances of something bad happening increase drastically. As another gentleman mentioned before on this same thread, it's fairly easy for anyone to hide behind false information and dubious identification.

From the hobbyist point of view, does it matter the kind of screening? Yes, because the hobbyist is concerned with his privacy. The solution is to have referral from other well known hobbyists and providers, and always pay in cash. Good referrals go a long way in terms of eliminating the need to much additional screening and let the provider feel more at ease. Credit cards are very convenient, but the agency or provider have to keep records for at least 3 years! If they don't say so they are either lying or they will get in trouble for incorrect credit card processing.

I hope I helped a little.

Best regards,

Milton

When a client calls me for an appointment some of the things I ask in the screening prosess on the telephone interview is: Full Name,Age IE...You must  be age 35 plus or close to it, thats my age pref. If he is married,divorce or single,does he have children, his full  home address listed in his name, his listed or unlisted home phone number in his name, his company name and address as listed in the yellow pages with main switch board number, what he does for a living, his direct company line with voice mail on it if he has one [this is very good for voice verification], his cell phone number,his email address,any user names  he has if he posts on any escort forums, make,model,year,color and plate number of car he drives [thats for incall with me].

Then for in or out call  when he arrives I may want to see his ID with his home address that I verified him with printed on it, maybe a credit card also with his name printed on it, and also A company  business card with the company  and his name and title printed on it that I verified him with.

Also I sometimes I ask just for good measure if he has seen any local independent providers in the past 6 months that I know of,and if so what are their names,phone numbers,emails,and web addresses. But I just don't go by provider Ref's alone as you can see. What may be a dream client to one provider may be a nightmare [ Like Old  Mike Jackson posted above hehe!] to another. Plus I've found that a lot of providers don't really verify.I had one guy one time give me this provider as a Ref and she said he was OK. Then I found out when I couldn't verify his home and work info. that  he wasn't even giving his REAL NAME TO GIRLS!!! And this girl just saw him with the FAKE name he gave her!!!! That Is VERY DANGEROUS!!!
Also How Soon We ALL forget about BD13!!!  
Independents and agencies can NEVER be too Careful.
I'm sorry to all  the guys I'm about to really piss off  but I also have to state this bacause it is true...and this is going to hurt  you like all hell but I will  say it anyway so here it comes............No matter how nice all you gentlemen are, and really all you guys are for the most part   VERY NICE. You must understand that when a client calls on a provider he is already being Dishonest! He is being Dishonest to a love one somewhere when he is calling you. So with that in mind you know already he is "Lieing" and being "Dishonest" to someone.  Not to you per say,BUT to someone. And with that in mind to begin with wouldn't you want to try and be as safe as possable by knowing as much as possable about  this stranger that you have never met and are about to see and do "You Know What" with? I Do. Plus I do incall out of my home and I want to know as much as I can before letting just anyone into my home. Plus for new clients that I trust enought to let into my home for the first time I always have my husband there as back up protection.
Sadly ,we are living in trouble times. The world has become a very dangerous place.  We providers are in a very dangerous profession. We have to do this when a client calls to protect our selves.
And I hear all the wineing and crying all the time from the guys and Excuses of why they are reluctant  to provide verification to a independent provider or a agency.
Guys....If you want to play you have to give something up in order to get what you want in return.And Don't Give Me The Shit Of Well I'm Paying For It,I Don't Want To Hear It. You guys are the ones calling us.We are not calling you. We are just risking our lives to provide a good service to all of you horny guys. And  now a days with the wonders of the internet  and the escort forums and review boards  we have at our finger tips there is no excuse for a client not do do his home work in searching for a good and honest provider that will safeguard any info. he gives her.AND a GOOD  Honest provider or Agency WILL safeguard that info.,AND only use it to verify a client with. I my self tell clients not to email verification info. to me. I rather talk first over the phone and then take that info over the phone so I can burn it after  verifying him. I only keep first name or user name on boards,cell phone and email addresses of clients. The other crap I get rid of. I don't need a paper trail for LE,and I don't keep info. on my computer.  BUT I do need that other Crap at first to verify you with when you call.

So I hope I cleared up the thing about my web site. If you look closely you will see that I do say "when I arrive". Meaning when I get there after talking to you on the phone and verifying you  I want to see back up verification info.before the session begins.
And I also say on my web sites  "By Advance VERIFIED Bookings only" meaning I verify  ALL new clients first before booking an appointment with them. Then when I arrive I want to see other  ID  also for verification.  I will not see a client if he tells me over the phone he will show me an ID when I show up.

I turn down a LOT of clients per week just because they don't sound right to me when they call. I rather turn down 20 clients a day  just so I can have that one gem who will treat me like  a lady and I can feel SAFE when I see him.

Hey everyone I hope you all have a happy and SAFE Thanksgiving.
And to you  Sexy Maids Of Boston I  hope your Biz is going very well  for you.I wish you all the luck in the world.I know how hard it is to run an agency,been there done that my self.  Have A Happy Thanksgiving day!
God Bless To All.
Love,
Ann

As I noted in a post above, you can use a false ID that correlates with listings in these and other data bases and the provider or agency ends up just verifying the false identity. (as a matter of fact, these data bases make setting up a passable ID that much easier!) How many names identical to yours are there in America? You don't have to have a very good phony ID to get it past an untrained 19-25 year old girl who is looking at a license from a state where she doesn't live. Typically, she has far less training than the average bartender. Only one site offers a lookup by license number, it is by subscription, and limited to about a half dozen states. Most states use Social Security numbers as license numbers, and those are not given out, for sure. You can easily find the scheme to create a passable SS#. None of the sites have photos in their data bases. Government data bases have photo information, but usually are not accessible by people and businesses. If there are such data bases available for public use, they would be very expensive and might not be legal. They certainly would be not cost effective for a provider or agency. If you think phony licenses are hard to come by, spend a day in Lawrence Mass! It is not illegal to have a "novelty" ID in your possession, it is only illegal to use it for illegal purposes. By and large, cell phones can't be looked up using reverse-lookup engines, and they are not about to call the home phone of a married client.

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