Raquel(pregnant) recientlly posted that she was planning to visit Boston, and for many of us this was a dream come true.

To me a woman never glows, and is as sexy as when she is pregnant. I know there are others who feel the same way.

Well a few of you jumped all over her, for her screening proccess and also saying she is in the wrong line of work. Well if your not into her, or her screening proccess do me a favor and keep you damn mouth shut.

What you did was upset her enough that she cancelled her trip, and ruining mine, and the others who were looking foward to meeting her.

I don't post that often, but I have to speek up when a few dick heads spoil it for the rest of us.

DonC
Don I agree with you there are a number of guys on this board that should really find a life. They sit there judging and correcting becuase they have nothing else to do. I know they ruined it for you and her. I am sorry for all concerned.
As My Father used to say " There are more Horses Assess in this World than Horses "

But what may interest some of you regarding Racqie is that where she does business, she would be stupid if she did'nt screen quite intensely. In fact, the girls who don't screen there are mostly LE and ROBs.

She's legit and from all reports, quite the lady.

BK

I didn't read the original thread, but I have to point out a few things. The glow you mention is most evident to the proud husband and other family members who have an interest in the new life being carried by a pregnant woman. It usually has nothing to do with her being "sexy" or more attractive. Most males, even the fathers of the new child find pregnant women unattractive and that is why much of infidelity happens while a mother is pregnant. Being attracted to pregnant women once was described as perverted, though in the age of political correctness, we use euphemisms. It is still unusual and arguably, unselectable as behavior. Though I find the notion personally disgusting, to each his own. Safe sex practices probably would protect the unborn baby from most risks of disease, it still is not good practice. Psychologically, it is certainly very risky. Anyone who would sell sexual services to strangers while carrying another life within her body certainly meets my definition of insanity. Too bad Daniel Patrick Monahan didn't live to see this! He had the idea that one of the most destructive changes in our society is the steady "defining down of deviance." There is nothing, in principal, to distinguish your arguments from those advanced to defend the agenda of NAMBLA.

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your text is entirely opinion, though you state much of it as fact. i love this line:

"Most males, even the fathers of the new child find pregnant women unattractive and that is why much of infidelity happens while a mother is pregnant"

gee, HB, would you care to quote an authoritative source?

anyway, the truest thing that you write is: "I didn't read the original thread" - obviously, you didn't read this thread very carefully, either. if you had, you'd know that these men are not writing to debate the morality of providing while pregnant. they WANT to see a pregnant provider, obviously they are among the sick and twisted minority who find a pregnant woman attractive - and they are angry that several hobbyists jumped aboard on the last thread to drive the girl away from visiting boston.

here's some true stuff. i guarantee you there is at least one hobbyist out there who wants at least one thing from the following list: tall girl, short girl, young girl, old girl, heavy girl, skinny girl, large breasts, small breasts, dominant girl, submissive girl, dark skin, light skin, every hair color, length, and style, every race, creed, and color. There are fetishes involving food, body functions, cigarettes, leather, vinyl, silk, lace, rubber.... shoes, stockings, corsets, and all kinds of lingerie. to name a few.

what is it with you people who think that your cravings and desires are acceptable and everybody else's are sick and unnatural? personally, i don't think i would pay a pregnant provider. it's not my thing. but if she protects herself and her baby to the best of her ability through careful screening of clients (one of the things she got flamed for!!!!!!!) and she protects herself against disease, then i say she is a hero for trying to make this money to give her child a comfortable life.

I didn't choose the right words. I should have said less attractive, physically. Emotionally there may be even stronger attractions for some husbands, particularly if they have strong moral values, but it has little to do with automated systems responses to secondary sexual characteristics. The "attraction" I was talking about would be better characterized as a fetish. A male unattached (not the father of the unborn child) to a pregnant female who would seek out that pregnant female as an preferred choice for sexual contact would definitely be out of the norm. Not to say such people don't exist and that they are free to indulge their perversions in a society that no longer judges behavior in such areas of life, only that they are rare.

Look, if this woman wants to be a provider while she is "with-child", that is strictly her business.

Additionally, if some hobbyst feels compelled to see a woman that is carrying the child of another man, that is totally up to him.

I take solace in the fact that this child is not mine, no responsibility for me and I will be held totally blameless if something should happen to it.

Yes, I know there is little chance of hurting the child while having intercourse or any other activity.

On the other hand, this woman is choosing to expose her child to a higher degree of unknown medical risks.  Truly her choice, but also completely her own problem should something happen.  A better choice would be for her to abort the child now and save it a lifetime of being raised by a mother of questionable worth.  This woman is already making bad choices for this child when it is unborn.  Imagine the poor choices she'll make once it is here.  Will she be setting up a crib by her bed in the hotel so she can keep tabs on the the little tike while she bangs her clients?  Maybe when the child becomes a toddler, he/she can collect the fees from the client before they start up in the bedroom.  Think of the OJT this child could get if its a girl!

In my opinion, this is really a bad choice on her part.  If I were in a position to do so, I would have her hauled in on child-endangerment charges.  This is reckless behavior on her part and rationalized poor behavior on the part of any hobbyst that sees her.  Additionally, where is the father of this unborn child?  

On the other hand, there are folks out there that participate in pedophillia & child rape with little or no problems.

To each his own.  Fortunately, I don't have to live with the results of this woman's issues, faults, problems, ill-decisions and poor judgements, do I.

Just my opinion and I could be wrong, but in this case I believe that most of the more normal folks here will agree with me.

Loarthan

PS: BTW, I hope she at least increases her screening process.  The better job she does of that, the safer she and her unborn child will be.

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I don't see where any of us have any business telling another person on this board how he/she should live his/her life.  Yes, some of your observations are valid.  But what the h*ll do we know about her personal situation and the tradeoffs she must make?

I sure wouldn't want anyone telling me that I would be better off being monogomous.  It's no one else's business!

Just my two cents...

Have fun, MG

Excuse me, but I don't think it is acceptable as a matter of personal choice to endanger a child.

Second, there are some absolute truths in this world, protecting children is one of them.

Finally, don't try to justify questionable behavior on the basis of personal choice.  What we do here IS QUESTIONABLE!  I don't pretend that my choices are not without consequence and I certainly don't attempt to justify my behavior as correct based on "personal choice".

Some would have you believe that the gay lifestyle is acceptable by justifying it thru marriage.  Fact of the matter is that being gay is a life choice, not a illnesss.

That a pregnant woman would continue working is bad enough but to use it as a type of fetish to promote herself is wrong and while being without judgement of others is sometimes the best way to be,there is a another issue here and it is about someone that can not protect themself from potential harm that their mother is doing.

Anyone ever heard of "Live and Let Live"?

being pregnant and running around like that. then saying she does not want to be like a lacy peterson. this hobby has risks with all the STD out there.

and like others have said using the fact that she is pregnant is degradable to every pregnant woman out there.

Why not wait till the baby is born then travel.

that is totally UNCLASSY
hogan

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You are out of line.  The providers on this board are mothers, daughters, wives and girlfriends.  They have complicated lives and they make compromises.  

I wouldn't knowingly see a pregnant woman either, but you are in no position to judge.  

I respect your opinion. (eom HB495)

MORE than 50% of the providers you visit are single mothers. Just an FYI.

XOXO,
Rac

(EOM to all; except those in support of my decision)

First of all, I do not participate in practices that would place my child in danger of contracting an STD. Secondly, if STD'S are such a concern to you...why do many of YOU take the risk of contracting an STD with a provider and sharing that unfairly with your wife? You want to cast aspersions upon a SINGLE woman for providing for her family, while many of you ROB your own families financially, physically and emotionally.

I didn't place a post to be placed under attack. I placed a post because I wanted to give interested hobiest an opportunity to meet me. In addition to that, I NEED money.  If any of you scrutinizers would care to donate a total of 8,000 USD (which will get me through the remainder of my pregnancy) then I will GLADLY remove my web-site and retire until the birth of my son.  Otherwise, I ask that you put a sock in it.

Sincerely,
RacquelOC

"Excuse me, but I don't think it is acceptable as a matter of personal choice to endanger a child"

i don't either. in what way is she endangering her child? if she screens her clients carefully, is the physical risk to her child any higher than if she worked in a factory, office, or convenience store? if she uses condoms, is the std risk higher than if she had unprotected sex with the father?

"Finally, don't try to justify questionable behavior on the basis of personal choice.  What we do here IS QUESTIONABLE!  I don't pretend that my choices are not without consequence and I certainly don't attempt to justify my behavior as correct based on "personal choice"."

what we do here is largely UNQUESTIONABLE. it is UNquestionably against the law! what's questionable about it is the morality... and who are you, or any of us, to question it for someone else?
especially when we are DOING it. many providers have children, as do many hobbyists. it is up to them to decide how to handle it.

"Some would have you believe that the gay lifestyle is acceptable by justifying it thru marriage.  Fact of the matter is that being gay is a life choice, not a illnesss"

sorry to dispute your FACT, but many people would tell you that being gay is not a matter of choice at all - that a gay person is born or made, through nature or nurture, and that the only choice involved would be to live life as you really are, or to hide it to avoid embarassment, prejudice, and possible physical danger. and a gay couple that want to marry are probably not looking so much to justify their existence as they are to take advantage of the legal and financial advantages that any married couple receives in this country.

to take a look at hogans original response on 1/22, the first thread on this matter...to pharaphrase ole col here : he finds pregnant woman sexy and was looking to set up an appointment, wasnt till he got told to mind his buisness about her screening process that the flaming began and he jumped on the "oh ,but the baby" bandwagon
  the self rightousness and self appointed morality judges in here is sad enough.,but dont be talking about lack of charachter to her , not when thats there in black and white. try turning your high powers of morality on youselves ....if u dare

Lets all take a deep breath and relax!!! This is gotten rather comical. In my opinion, I do not think any of us, providers or hobbiest Have the right to judge anyone!!! Take a quick look at what we are doing??? We can rationalize all we want but, what we are doing is not exactly saintly!!  The said thing, is that all the ladies out there providing are, someones daughters!! And I would imagine "given a perfect world" their parents/love ones,  would prefer they have a different line of work. But since this isn't a perfect world, lot's of ladies have decided to choose this for a profession. I agree our pregant provider is making some questionable decisions but, they are hers to make!!!  If this was a 18 year old hottie, trying to get into the business, with a killer body, spoke all languages, charged 200 for an hour of GFE/PSE.  How many of us would try to talk her out of her decision, and scrutinize her decision??? Not Many!!! Most would book her for 2 hours!! But hey, she is so young and this decision will possible effect the rest of her life???? Where is your compasion when your Dicks hard??? Lost it??? Just something to think on.

I wish our pregant provider the best. I do not agree with her but that her decision.
My 2 cents.

Since you brought it up.  I work with many gay males and females in my line of work.  Every single one of them will tell you that being gay is most certainly not a choice, but is the way they are programmed, much like different people have different likes and dislikes in others.

Being gay is most certainly not a choice.

As to Raquel, What does anybody on this board, this community, or this country have anything to say about what a person does with his or her body as long as she is not directly endangering her child?  Most certainly many people outside this community would have many interesting things to say about any of us and what we do.

I was debating about posting, in regards to posting a defense for  Racquel, and for the all of the other ladies who post here, either traveling or at home.

As each day, minute, hour, went by, my heart grew more and more heavy, with sadness So, I am going to say, what is on my mind, and I hope that by doing so, this might gather the community together, and if it doesn't, no one could fault me for expressing my personal views. I know that my views may or may not reflect the entire community, but this is an episode, where my heart feels sad and heavy at the moment, of what has transpired here

I personally think that she (and every other lady who travels to our fine city/state) should be welcomed here. There may be some who may like what she has to offer, which is fine. There may be other's who may disagree, which is also fine. But, to all of the fine gentlemen on the board, lets try to treat each visitor with respect and commmon courtesty, that we would like to be treated with, regardless of if we were home, in another state, overseas, whether we or that person has disabilities, a different point of view, has a different look, lets just please (I do implore each and every one of you), try to get along with one another.  I actually took a moment to write to Racquel, and she comes off as a very nice person Her views, may not neccesarily reflect mine, but I RESPECT her decision, regardless. I do ask nicely (with a smile), for us  give everyone a chance, until he/she has proven us wrong.  I also ask, that you all please bear with me, for it's late into the night, and my eyes are tired, and partially closed here lol  But, please do know that what I write is straight from my heart, for I really do care about each and every one of you Men/Ladies/Lurkers, who grace this board. I would defend each and every one of you, if ever the day came, that you were put into the spot light for which ever reason.

Respectfully,

Melinda

Addendum:

To: Racquel

WELCOME TO BOSTON!

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Hypocrite!  What happened to pregnant women being a turn on to you, such as you stated in this thread... http://theeroticreview.com/msgBoard/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=18879&boardID=9&page=2

Racquel, I wish you the best of luck in all your future endeavors familywise as well as businesswise.  You seem like a very genuine young lady and it's Boston's loss that you've decided not to come, but honestly I can't blame you either.  Be careful of the nuts out there!

Take care,

SK

Yes, very true, but 100% of those providers don't bring their children along on a date!

Get a grip lady, you are exposing your child to alot of danger doing this.  You're the one with the problem, not me.

Of course, considering where you live, just about any lifestyle choice is probably ok.  The same folks that are defending Jacko will probably come to your defense as well.

Rather than request donations to save the child or endanger the child by your activities, why not consider another route in all this..

Where is the child's father?

Actually, you and he are responsible for the wealfare of this unborn child, not us.  Did you consider this fact when you were spread-eagled in the process of getting pregnant?  If the father is unable or unwilling to take care of you and this child, you might consider being just a tad more careful in the future when selecting sperm donors.

Yes, I understand that accidents do happen, but there were plenty of alternatives for you about 6-7 months ago that would have helped you avoid this situation.

As for any concern I have about STDs, please note that the only person I am endangering in that light is myself.  My children, my ex and anyone else in my life are not in a position to catch anything I pick up.  Besides, I practice safe sex, limit my provider-partners to a small, trusted group and I AM taking personal responsibility for my life.

On the other hand, YOU are endangering another individual that cannot protect him/her self from your bad decisions.

Sorry if this entry offends anyones PC-view of life and the world, but the fact of the matter is RachaelOC is endangering her child.

I guess this will warrant me a restraining order also and a future visit from RachaelOC's lawyers.  On the other hand, if she is begging for donations, I don't really think she has the cash-available for that either.  But then again, maybe there are plenty of suckers out there Paypaling her donations as we speak.

Some men would like to spend time with a pregnant woman. Some men don't. I personally wouldn't mind. What I don't feel comfortable with is the application. I personally don't feel that anyone in their right mind would want to put that much personal information out there. In this day and age of identity them, scams and so on it just isn't good safety practice. If you don't care then I suggest you throw caution to the wind and go for it. The bottom line is that it's whatever the individual feels comfortable with.
People shouldn't shut their mouths. This discussion is about opinions. Although I don't agree with alot of them and I know some people don't agree with me on mine, we all have a right to our personal views. I'm sure Raquel is alot of fun. I will have to pass though.

I agree with Mel that we are not setting a particularly inviting tone.  Personally, I agree more with those that think Racquel is acting unwisely but as others have put it, none of us here are saints.  Let's all loosen up a bit and enjoy the community.

As a wise man once said, those that live in glass houses probably shouldn't walk around naked.

Hehe gotta love it-straight from a MALE horse's mouth!

"there are a number of guys on this board that should really find a life. They sit there judging and correcting becuase they have nothing else to do"

Although many of the friends I meet with in private state this, it is nice to see a guy have the @@ to make a public statement regarding the no lifers.  I agree, but think it is general to people, not just guys.

Hugs, Kate

Well racquel
are you going to threaten him also with your lawyers which is a dam joke. we are in a public forum there is no harassing here just people stating their opinions. Yours of me is that i am mentally unstable.  and mine and others is you are going to be a poor mother you are endangering your kid.

Col Hogan

Ok, when providers start mentioning "good-faith retainers" of three lawyers in their family, I got to say "I'm out of here".

Tried to make a point for the child's sake, but hey, it's not my kid, so why even bother with it.

Oh well, another baby down the shoots!