Hi Guys, I just need to get a few things off my chest ( and no it's not my bra lol).

First off, this is a service business, if a lady gives you great service it is always a nice gesture to acknowledge it. I know the economy is bad but something has been happening quite often and its really pissing me off.
I am always more than happy to provide you with a reference if you are one of my clients in good standing. I have been giving out quite a few, more than usual these last few months. Most if not all have been for visiting ladies. Most of these Ladies are well known with excellent reviews and almost all of them have very high rates of 350-450 and above. I know variety is the spice of life and I am sure most of these ladies if not all, are well worth the price of admission. What is pissing me off is this: This is an example of what happened last week.

Client Joe (not his real name) asks for a reference. I gladly provide one, the lady he is going to see has a rate of 400. and hour. he calls to make an appointment with us a few days later. I asked him if he enjoyed his time with the other Lady. he said yes, she was beautiful but her service wasn't as friendly and good as some of his favorites with us. He then books a half hour appointment with one of his favorites. Our rate is 150 for the half hour. (250$ less than he paid for the other lady). He goes in and tells the girl he only has 20's and asks her if she can make change and give him back a 10. WTF!! are you kidding me? First off my girls are not a bank and they do not make change, secondly you cant even tip her the lousy 10 bucks as she is one of your favorites, but you can afford to spend 400 on another girl?  You think that is bad?
Here is the kicker. He writes reviews of both girls. He gives the 400 girl a 10 and a 10. He gives my girl a 8 and a 8! I understand the 400 girl is beautiful and definitely deserves the 10 for looks, but he gave her a 10 for service when he told me that she was kind of cold and mechanical and he likes my girl ( the one he asked for change) much better. I know this is true because he tries to get in to see her at least twice a week. They both offer the same service so it isn't that my girl can't get a 10 due to TER guidelines. It's that he feels since our rates are low the girl can't get a high score.

I understand our rates are the lowest around, but that doesn't mean the ladies are less desirable than other girls in fact I think we have somne of the best providers around! It does not mean you have the right to treat them with disrespect and make them feel that they did not do a good job because you didn't tip them, or gave them crappy scores even tough in the body of the review you say she is one of your ATF's. It doesn't have to be a lot, even a few bucks would be greatly appreciated, or even bring a coffee or soda. I know times are tough right now and that is why I have chosen to keep our rates affordable but a few extra bucks is still a lot less than most everyone else, especially for the quality of girls we have.

I have a lot of friends that are Independents as most of you know. They always get tipped from most their clients, even if it's a few bucks. My girls are lucky if they get anything at all because 90% of my clients do not tip. The thing that is pissing me off is its not that they can't afford it, its that they think since the prices are low they don't have too. I understand if you are on a budget and I am not talking about the clients who are, I am calling out the ones who aren't, the ones who read TER faithfully and always like to see new visiting ladies and the guys who write the reviews.

One of my great clients summed it up perfect. He said it like this, you go out to dinner at say The Capital Grille, you expect to pay a lot of money and you know to leave a big tip. When you go to McDonald's for lunch (because you love the McRibs) you figure its cheap and you don't have to tip as it is not expected, (even though some McDonalds do allow tipping, almost no one ever does).

We don't want to be thought of as McDonalds we consider ourselves more like the Olive Garden, Chile's or the 99. Good food, not expensive, but you still get good service and you do have to tip the waitress.

Jill

Sorry to hear your ladies are being treat this way, it's just wrong.

It's funny, thinking about it I have no problem with leaving a tip at a DD or if I'm at a take out joint, but I have never left a tip at a McD's or BK or anyplace like that.

But I will say when I see a lady and had a good time I make sure to leave a good tip, if services was not so good I leave a  less of a tip. Asking for change that's down right cold. I guess some people are cheap bastard. Just never realized how cheap they can be.


Oh one more thing Jill, I would would never compare your agency to a restaurant like Olive Garden, Chile's or 99.

I think of your agency more like a HOOTER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Beautiful women, great service, and some very nice things to eat.

To be honest I tend to tip the lower priced agency girls and NOT tip the higher priced indies.

Well said Jill. Unfortunately it's been a while since I've been able to enjoy the pleasure of indulging in this hobby and thus a while since I've been able to use Roomservice but one of the things I've always loved about Jill and her service has been the price. For a fair price you have access to some terrific women. I always can find a few extra bucks for the great service that they provide. I'm hoping to be back in the game soon and will make sure to find another couple of bucks when I do

I am the opposite. I do not tip the high priced ladies, but I will bring something. I usually help out the not so high priced ladies that do a nice job. I'll usually take the full hour too. I buy one her meds and cigs and bring enough food for her ( she's kinda skinny) and her mother for a few days.
 100 for time+58 for meds+84 for cigs + 0 for embezzled food…. for a hot piece of pie =Priceless!

I think the guys give the higher priced girls higher scores because it makes them feel like they got their money's worth, even if they really didn't... Not that I'm saying that some of them don't deserve the high scores they get, but I've seen a few who get 9's and 10's for performance when they're not even GFE. Clearly a violation of TER's scoring guidelines.

Tipping is never expected, but always appreciated when you're happy with the service. Even an extra $20 can really make a girl feel like you appreciate her, and a girl who feels appreciated will often be more likely to show her appreciation...

Jill....thanks for sharing that story.   Unbelievable that jerk wanted change for a 20.  Maybe when he calls your agency he'll happen to find everyone booked up.   I was shocked that 90% of your clients do not tip.    I find that incredibly disrespectful.    I didn't realize that lack of basic decency was so widespread.   I guess what you're seeing with your clients translates into the vast majority of the guys in the hobby do not tip....incredible.

I always tip when service is good, just like I would anywhere else. If the  service is not good or misleading then sorry but I won't tip and just won't return.  The only time I won't tip for good service is if the lady asks for a tip.  This just rubs me the wrong way.  Tipping is showing my appreciation for a good service!

No argument about the lack of couth on the part of your unnamed reviewer/client.

Can I ask a dummy question.

How come you don't upgrade your chain to something like Capital Grille.

You are totally right to point this out Jill !

Yes I understand that there are many other reasons clients don't tip and I am not talking about not giving a tip for bad service or about the clients on a budget who cant afford the extra money. I am speaking about the clients who will see a service girl and not tip them a dime and the next day do a multi hour dinner date with an indy for 3 times the price and will bring them wine and chocolates and then leave them a nice tip at the end of the date.

And yes it does state on the website that tips are never asked for or expected but always appreciated. The girls are not allowed to ask for tips, (just like other people in the service industry, IE; waitstaff, bartenders, hair stylists) are not allowed to ask for tips, that doesn't mean they don't want them or wont except them.

I could never figure out why girls or services with higher rates get a 70% higher rate of clients who tip than those of us on the lower end. When a client said  is this to me an email after reading my post that he was sorry. He said that he was a regular client of The Bella Donna but when they closed he came to us. He said he always tipped the girls there but when he started utilizing my service he never once thought to tip. he figured and I quote, "since the rates were lower and you also offered half hours I thought of you service as more of a fast food place, I didn't even think to leave a tip". "My bad to have made that crazy  assumption"

So that just goes to show what I thought all along, some people think that if they pay less they get less and since they assume they get less, then why should they tip?
The thing is that even though they do pay less, they get the same or sometimes even better level of  service that they would get spending more money someplace else.

I don't want to raise the rates because the economy is bad and I don't want to loose some great client relationships I have built over the years. I have built my business on the motto "The best for Less"  In the 18 years we have been in business, we have only raised our rates once. That was in 2008. We went from 125. for a half hour to 150. and 200 for the hour to 225. Just that small increase cost us quite a few clients.

I don't want to be one of those services with a bunch of toll free numbers that has girls tour all around the world. Where when making an appointment you talk to some professional operator who's only knowledge of the girl she is booking for is what is written on a script in front of her. I don't want to take appointments via email and text, I find that much too impersonal. I want to talk to the clients directly. I want to get to know them so when I get a new girl I can let them know if she is right for them. I want to have a rapport with my clients that they cant get from other services, that is why during business hours we ALWAYS answer the phone.  (When we switched phone services a few months ago and new one has music when on hold, my guys freaked out lol they don't like change and thought hold music was the beginning of turning into one of those huge corporations lol). I love technology but I am old school at heart and would rather deal one on one by phone with people. I would rather stay a small well run, friendly, affordable service. I don't want to be a big, impersonal corporate giant.

Jill

But certainly I looked quite often to your website and was checking from time to time to see if you are getting new clients.

I think the post is well said. Really it's not about whether you spend 400 on another girl. Whether or not, the change should not be asked. It's awkward, and simply non-gentleman.

About the ter scores, I personally try to keep a fair score between my reviews. But now when I look back on my reviews, they are still a little inconsistent. If you actually read them, you will know that I put some efforts in those reviews. The point is, you really can't be that fair. This said, two spontaneous reviews from the same guy in a short period of time, however, should be consistent. I also think that, 10/10 scores are usually very misleading. When I read a review saying 9/9 or 10/10, the first thing I do is to click on that guy's name and check his score on other girls. If they are all above 8, then there is no point reading/using it as a standard. So, though it's not fair to give RSG girl a 8/8 in this situation, it may not do that much of a harm. A girl who gets average 8+ rating in Boston is worth seeing anyways...

My point is you are basically tarring ALL clients on the basis of a couple clients who told you one thing. You are also insinuating that every client should tip, despite your claim to the contrary. I'd wager you don't reduce your agency cut to reward good service.

I can tell you whether I tip has absolutely nothing to do with the provider's rate and everything to do with their service.  Just like not all providers are alike neither are all clients alike.

Very nicely said!!

Posted By: sexy1jill

I don't want to raise the rates because the economy is bad and I don't want to loose some great client relationships I have built over the years. I have built my business on the motto "The best for Less"  In the 18 years we have been in business, we have only raised our rates once. That was in 2008. We went from 125. for a half hour to 150. and 200 for the hour to 225. Just that small increase cost us quite a few clients.

I don't want to be one of those services with a bunch of toll free numbers that has girls tour all around the world. Where when making an appointment you talk to some professional operator who's only knowledge of the girl she is booking for is what is written on a script in front of her. I don't want to take appointments via email and text, I find that much too impersonal. I want to talk to the clients directly. I want to get to know them so when I get a new girl I can let them know if she is right for them. I want to have a rapport with my clients that they cant get from other services, that is why during business hours we ALWAYS answer the phone.  (When we switched phone services a few months ago and new one has music when on hold, my guys freaked out lol they don't like change and thought hold music was the beginning of turning into one of those huge corporations lol). I love technology but I am old school at heart and would rather deal one on one by phone with people. I would rather stay a small well run, friendly, affordable service. I don't want to be a big, impersonal corporate giant.

Jill

Raise your rates.  It sounds like your girls are well worth it!!!   In my opinion, it will not effect your business at all.   You will actually probably attract a higher calibur of customers that are willing to tip.  Just what I have noticed in my mnay years of providing.   Have a great week!  i have heard you have a great service!

Jill, I agree with you 100% . . . okay, 99%.  If a guy is showing up for a half-hour appointment and he doesn't have the 10-bill to meet the half-hour rate, he should just hand over the Hamilton and (since either the client or your girl should acknowledge it) make some classy, lighthearted comment along the lines of, "Don't worry about making change for the twenty, I can already tell you've got a terrific attitude and we're going to have a nice half-hour ahead of us."  In other words, it's exactly because your girls work for an agency with set rates that the guy (or your girl) should not just pretend that the extra 10 wasn't handed over (as a pre-appointment tip, if you'd like), because that's not very classy either.  Of course, if the appointment goes well, there'd be nothing to stop the guy from adding another 10 or 20 tip on top of the "pre-tip" (although since it might become awkward at that point again to offer a 20 and ask for 10 change back, an RSG lady who might otherwise be offered a total tip of 20 for good service might only get a tip of 10 if she doesn't happen to have a couple of 10-dollar bills with her).  Personally, I appreciate the usually very reliable service and friendly attitude of your ladies, and the reason I would call your service and be happy with paying a somewhat higher rate than some online independent ladies ask (for example, on Backpage) is because I'd rather part with 150 for a half-hour with one of Jill's girls than 120 for some unreviewed lady using phony pictures in her advertisement.  I will say, though, that for those of us whose budgets just don't allow for visits with 300 an hour ladies in the first place, one of the main reasons we pick RSG is because of the combination of fair rates and reliable service.  So if I'm on my way to an appointment with one of Jill's ladies and Jill were to ask me if I could pick up a coffee for the lady from the coffee shop in the hotel lobby, I'd be only too glad to do it.  And if the half-hour session goes as well as most of them do, I'm definitely open to leaving a tip before leaving the room.  But in all candor I wouldn't be inclined to leave a tip for basically mechanical service, and if because of a scheduling back-up or overlap, at the 15-minute mark I'm told that I only have another couple of  minutes to wrap things up, I won't really feel like tipping after being rushed to the finish line.  To me, the flip side of tipping for reliably good service is refraining from tipping when I'm shorted on time (which is rare) or when the lady is having an off-day in terms of attitude.  In something as intimate as "dating," I believe that at least a modest tip should be a routine practice for service that is at least average, which is my typical expectation in the first place whenever I see one of Jill's ladies.  And of course, if a lady offers truly memorable service during the half-hour (which let's face it because of time constraints isn't easy to do, although a few of the RSG ladies have done just that), I'm thrilled to tip a Jackson or even more.  So I do agree with Jill: the small gestures and gifts matter.

If I am not mistaken, I think I have noticed on a number of occasions independents with rates higher than yours come to work for you. You must offer them something that makes them feel that it make economic sense for them to do so. My best guess is that it must have to do with safety, convienience, and/or reliable client base... and probably the fact that they can work when they want to but not have continuing expenses when they take time off. To have so many working for so long with you, you must have worked out a very stable business model. More power to you!

On those rare occasions in a restaurant when I have a complaint or have to send food back and management comps me all or part of the meal, I put the money saved into the tip if the service wasn't the problem. I have never used your service, but if I did I would feel like I was getting a "deal," and I would be more likely to tip the provider. I would be suprised if most regular hobbyist posters on this board didn't have similar attitudes. But I could be wrong!

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Jill

I just want to say thank you for this message. Having used your service in the past (but not recently) I never new what to tip and at times was very uncomfortable figuring that out. I do however tip just not sure what is the right amount. Thank you again for this message