this may sound like the same old bitch but here it is anyway .

i called a service i have used many times and have seen some great gals and some not so great ok


i spoke to the person on the phone they had three gals in the area i wanted

1 older seen her picts and advertised as gfe
1 younger and gfe but not my type realy
1 mid aged hott pict but not gfe

asked for some help in choice and went for #2

she was nice and all but gfe hmmm such is the rub

cbj no kissing no touching down below no daty gfe ?????????


thus had a ok time and left dont get me wrong she is nice friendly ok time if thats what you are expecting but def not a gfe

so the question for you gals what would you considerer a gfe ?????????? am i wrong for feeling delt with in a dishonest way

It is a crap-shoot, Rutger. The term GFE always has the understood but never stated YMMV following it. No girl is obligated to do anything. A girl may be a bona-fide GFE, but had a bad feeling or was turned off for some reason. You said she was not your type and perhaps vice-versa.

All we can do is check the reviews and see what girls are more consistently GFE than others and then cross our fingers. We've all had good sessions and bad sessions, and there are definetly girls out there that use the GFE term falsely to get business. But, thank god for TER, which has improved the odds for us greatly. My advice, research, research and more research before making an appointment.

I think with all the YMMV  a true GFE would tell the client up front( BEFORE TAKING HIS MONEY) that she can't be GFE with him,
that way no one gets hurt

At the very physical minimum, it's FS with DFK, BBBJ, DATY.

Additional things such as personality, energy, friendliness, etc. add to the total G-irl F-riend E-xperience.

As a paying client, this is what *I* want. Agency owners, who falsly advertise, and GFE wannabes need not apply. The boards have been around long enough to know what "girlfriends" do.

Further, unfulfilled expectations due to false advertising should be addressed here, publicly, in this forum.

That is my idea of GFE also.  What is P-orn S-tar E-xperience?

I've seen references to different scales people go by, I don't recall ever looking at such scales, but you should all adopt version of GFE.  Because I said so.  You can call this the "Viril Scale".

It's called GFE because it means "Girlfriend Experience".  This might mean different things to different guys, depending on their experience of what a girlfriend means to them, or what they want a girlfriend to mean to them.  But I think the best way to define it is an optimal condition which would make any guy happy, no matter what the different levels of expectation are.

- Attraction on both the physical and personality levels.  This is a subjective thing, so possibly applied just in general as in: would she be attractive to at least some guys and would her personality appeal to a majority of guys.

- Not counting the donation in front of me.  No talking about money.

- Not discussing what she doesn't do up front.  When with a girl, I can adjust to her limitations, if any, as we are getting comfortable with each other, that is more pleasurable than having an initial sit-down of her list of NOs.

- Full service, obviously.

- Playful & teasing, not just trying to get me off ASAP unless that's what I'm asking for.

- Decent conversation, if that is part of what I'm seeking.

- Early on, LFK -gradually- working into DFK.  I like DFK just as much as the next guy but when a girl is immediately ramming her tongue down my throat and does that nonstop without light kissing mixed in, it feels staged.

- Regular LFK, at least occasional DFK.

- Any and all positions, with Greek and Asian exceptions, and presuming she can handle the positions - some girls find some positions difficult or painful for one reason or another.  I won't hold that against her so long as she tries her best to please.

- BBBJ, although CBJ is forgivable if she's truly concerned with STDs and does everything else with gusto and enjoyment.  If BBBJ, then TC.  CIM is my favorite, so that is a big plus for me, but it's a personal preference and I think just TC, even if it's to release on her face or body, is a big positive factor if BBBJ is something she does do.

- Touching -MY- body regularly, physical feedback to let me know she enjoys my physical presence.

- At least some verbal/sound feedback that she's enjoying anything I'm doing for or with her.  I am a quiet guy, but do enjoy that sort of feedback from girls.

- Kissing of my body, not just my mouth and Mr Pringles.

- Allowance and actual enjoyment of DATY presuming I want to do that for her.

- Mutual undressing, or at least the feeling that she wants to even if I don't and simply want to get right to it.

- Multiple pops offered.

- Caressing and cuddling in between pops, and after the last pop.

- Helps me clean up.

- No clock-watching and actual unrushed session, as in at least a little more than the length of time agreed on.  That, and quality of time spent, are where tips result from.  This is difficult for agency girls to do but I have my understanding of how to give even those girls the time flexibility, presuming it's something they actually do.  If I give them that flexibility and they don't go with the flow of it, then what they offer isn't truly GFE.

I UNDESTAND ALL THE VIEWS AND THE YMMV IDEA

AND THE FACT WE MAY NOT HAVE HIT IT OFF

THIS IN FACT WAS NOT THE CASE WE DID IT JUST WAS NOT AS TRUTH HURTS STATES WHAT WAS ADVERTISED

BURT WHAT ABOUT THE LADIES I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM SEXY MAIDS ROOM SERVICE MELINDA KRYSTAL WHAT DO THEY THINK '

For PSE, think XXX.  Things like bbbjtc, facials, anal, etc. Some providers do offer those activities depending on other variables. It would be quite contradictory to visit a pornstar, pay the premium rate but not get a PSE activity. In either case of GFE or PSE, homework is required depending on your level of expectation. Don't assume anything.

I agree FS DFK, BBBJ, and DATY at the least.  If you are going to advertise GFE ---- Then you need to provide GFE.  If you ( a provider) have a problem with me--The way I look, my race etc etc then call the appointment off or state your limits up front!!! It's all about the money once your in the room!!!  I myself have had very little problems with not getting what I ask for. I try to stay in shape( try), have good hygene and treat the ladies with respect.
My 2 cents

most Boston agencies do not offer gfe,with some exceptions so if it's a local agency advertising in the pheonix chances are your in for a disappointment.ymmv is an overated term unless you are not clean but I wonder how often that really happens.seems to be a problem mostly on the womans side as they rush from appointment to appointment.

Generally, agencies/girls are doing 5-10 appts/day. GFE becomes impossible. Volume is the limiting factor which is why I prefer independents. Again, it depends on your expectations and preferences. The blatant and deliberate false advertising of anyone is a different issue but should be addressed as fraud.

That makes it a true GFE!!!

that's always automatic.  Lol!

I believe GFE is a term that is totally overused by many people.  I don't know how to explain it myself cause it means many things to many people.  I myself when asked if I am Gfe will ask the people to describe what GFE is and I usually always get a different answer so more than YMMV its more like YDMV your definition may vary.  I myself likes it when a client says I like this this and this. ok now I know what he is expecting.  If he doesnt vocalize or take some sort of role in the experience than he gets tfe  total french experience

Hon, YOU have nothing to worry about in that dept. (gfe)
In fact, you always keep going, and going, and...
(saw you 1+ year ago - awesome!)

You're right, though, since the definition can take on different meanings by different people. With all resources on the net, it's still no excuse how some agencies and providers will develop amnesia and try to intentionally provide less service compared to what they advertise or say on the phone. These are the one who deserve to be "outed".

I agree with the "Viril Scale".  Does anyone have anything to add/subtract from it.

THANK YOU CRYSTAL IM WITH YOU AND YOUR VIEW YOU GET WHAT YOU ASK FOR OR NOT ..

I GUESS THIS IS MORE FOR THE LIKES OF SEXY MAIDS .ROOMSERVICE.
CATRUN.EASTERNCOMPANIONS AGENCYS THAT POST THIS WAY EITHER GFE OR PSE OR WHATEVER WHAT THEY BELIVE I GUESS IS THE REAL QUESTION
SINCE THEY ARE THE ONE USEING THESES DEFINITIONS WHAT DO THEY BELIVE THEY MEAN AND I KNOW THEY CANT BE 100%ACCURATE SINCE THEY ARE NOT IN THE ROOM I JUST DONT BELIVE IN GIVING A NEGITIVE REVIEW IF ONE IS REALY NOT DESEVERED IT CAN HURT THE GALS BUISNESS . AND THATS NOT RIGHT

I am not this Melinda, this gentleman is talking about, please note!

But, I am always upfront about my do's and don't's. There are some things, that I am not comfortable with, which I do state up front,    and I know that I am not for everyone's needs, and I do realize that. If there is something that a gentleman may ask for, before meeting me, and if it's something that I don't do, I will always refer him to one of my other lady friends out there, who do specialize in that type of service When I am with a gentleman friend, I do my best to please him, and that is all I can do I know that I cannot make everyone happy, but just the fact that I do try, is what puts a smile on my face, and hopefully on his winks..

Mel

-- Modified on 2/8/2004 11:07:40 AM

I subscribe to the VirilCzar description above.  Until recently we did not have any "100% GFE's" primarily because of CBJ. Shavon is now 100% GFE and based on the above description of PSE, she is that also.  I can not guarantee a girls performance but I do try and report accurately what I know.  I guess the rest of our girls are what I have seen referred to as 95% GFE (CBJ).  If a girl is not at least that, they usually only provide the Erotic Rubdown, Exotic Dance or Sexy Maid Service.

No, but just a comment on the rules being read before a session. While personally I do dislike that too, I think some ladies have had bad experiences with guys who are just not very tactful. So they feel it makes a better session for both if they know the rules up front.

YDMV- So true, Crystal!

I read what you wrote, and agree with you there, sis Also, a gentleman should always ask himself-

WAILF (what am I looking for?):
Greek?
BBJ?
BBBBJ?
T/C?
CBJ?
DFK?, etc., the list goes on.  Everyone has different needs/tastes. Once he figures out what his needs are, then he should do his homework, and ask alot of questions of that provider/agency, and don't forget to check out the reviews! Also, make sure to review, the reviewers. Anyways, wanted to add in my 0.02 cents

Mel

I have never advertised as a GFE, but I am considered to be just that by "most" of my gentalman freinds.

I do believe it should be what you had asked for, but isn't there more to it than that?

I don't think you can be a GFE if you have no personality, if you are mechanical, and just all about the $$$ no matter how many times she does bbbjtc, and let you DATY.

Alot of times when I am asked if I provide GFE, My answer 9 times outta 10 is to go to my reviews, and see what you think, that way....You have an idea about my services, and we don;t have to ask explicit questions(which I am very adament about not discussing)

As Mel said, I do my best to make you happy, but it is not hard work if you just be yourself

XOXOX
Lisa Luvlie

Since not all girlfriends are the same, neither all GFEs.  I've had girlfriends that didn't even do BJ and others that prefered Greek.  It all depends what kind of girlfriend you want, and even that can change with the day!  When I think of GFE, it's all about ATTITUDE.  Do I feel like I am the only man in your life and you'll do what it takes to make me satisfied.

I WANTED TO HEAR FROM MORE  SERVICES SINCE THEY ARE THE ONES TO USE THE TERMS AS TO ENTICE OR OTHER WISE START A INTREST I A GAL

JILL FROM ROOM SERVICE HAS BEEN GOOD WITH ME ON THE PHONE ANYWAY
AS FAR AS WHAT LEVEL OF SERVICE TO EXPECT AND HAS MADE SOME GOOD RECOMONDATIONS FOR ME AT LEAST .

I HAVENT TRIED MAIDS YET BUT IM SURE I WILL I LIKE THE FACT YOUR ON THE SOUTH SHORE

THANX MELINDA FOR CHIMMING IN LIKE CRYSTAL ALL YA HAVE TO IS ASK LOL I LOVE HORNEY WOMEN HA HA

Re:You tell 'em, Lisa

hmmmmmmmmm two very special ladies that definitely know how to go above and beyond..... See you both soon I hope

-- Modified on 2/9/2004 5:05:56 AM

You, sweet lady, are a GFE in my book. GFE on the St. Bart scale.. don't know....don't care. One would have to go through a checklist each time with a provider to do this, do that, and the next thing. Girl Friend Experience. Yes, in my book. However, as Kate has said of me in the past..I am kind of known for my cornball antics and idea. So, here is the definition of GFE on the Oldmanriver scale. Great, Fantastic Experience. Lisa, in my eyes, you are a GFE. Until we meet again, my dear........OMR

Hey..Hey, I thought I was the one being known as the cornball antic here? lol

We can both be cornball antics, OMR!
Mel

-- Modified on 2/9/2004 9:37:50 AM

"... 100% GFE requires DFK, DATY and BBBJ. Plusses for BBBJTC, Greek, pictures, “free” sleep-over…. others might grant Plusses for activities that don’t interest me… S&M, B&D, golden showers, etc. Using the Scale instead of the actual acronyms in a review allows one to be specific, without being specific; it allows for YMMV, and for ladies to adjust their service level to fit their own comfort level."

I thought girlfriend experience meant you treat the client as if he was your boyfriend.
I didn't think it actually referred to specific acts.
For instance, personally I don't like deep french kissing, i like soft sweet kisses with light tongue action. That's what I would do with a boyfriend.
But if a client wants DFK, I'll do it but it doesn't mean it's a girlfriend experience.

"unless you are not clean but I wonder how often that really happens.seems to be a problem mostly on the womans side as they rush from appointment to appointment."

I have to seriously disagree with this, i shower before EVERY appointment
(my clients can attest to this as everytime they come over i'm fresh out the shower)
but you would be surprised how many guys I see who do not seem to wash their ass thoroughly.
I specialize in the "surprise asian" experience, meaning I don't advertise that I do so but i love surprising guys with it and there have been numerous times that I have had to skip that part of my sensual massage experience cause the guys ass was funky.. sometmes if I really really just want to do the rimming I'll use some babywipes on his ass with a lil massage oil but still
guys should really be sure to thouroughly clean their buttocks just in case the girl wants to "surprise" him with something special.

I would describe myself as a GFE with confidence.
I am natural when I meet someone, I don't play an act or try to go through a checklist of things to do. I am genuinely interested in the person I'm with. If we get along well, then naturally we will both feel more comfortable with more intimate things.

Somehow, I feel that you have all overlooked the fact that at the basis, a girlfriend is someone you feel comfortable with, that is sweet and caring and takes good care of you. I offer all that to the people I meet, abut I also expect them to offer me respect and a caring attitude on their part.

And in any case, the use of the YMMV really affects me. Did you all forget that we are humans, and not machines, and it would be completelly unfair to expect us to react the same way to everyone we meet. Chemistry, personnality, common interests, mutual attraction and desire are just some of the most obvious factors that will determine how a date can go, but if the outcome was everytime so predictable, what would be the point in even evaluating?

So I think it evens itself out pretty much....