I gave the second one the once-over and saw a listing "Gives ladies very low review scores"... I am not making this stuff up! The system of publicly shared reviews could be endangered by this. Another reason for me to reconsider renewing my hobby life, this could get real ugly. It is a ticking time bomb!
Alias should be for obvious reasons here, at least I hope.
I was placed on a blacklist as a "time-waster". I don't know who put me on it, and for what specific reason. Likely it was someone I attempted to screen with, but didn't eventually set a date with, because I've NEVER NCNS'd, and have only cancelled a couple dates on short notice. On both of those dates I made it up to the lady on my next visit. And by "made it up", I compensated her for her loss to her satisfaction.
So now, and for eterenity apparently, my personal info is out there for all to see. When that inevitably happens, my world will change, and I mean DRAMATICALLY. It won't cost me a few hundred dollars; it will cost me my life as I know it.
And for what? Because a girl spent a couple hours of her time screening me without an eventual date?
Whie I sincerely do appreciate all that ladies put into their respective business, that punishment VASTLY outweighs the infraction. VASTLY.
The information on blacklists has been copied onto VERY PUBLIC blogs. If you think you're putting someone on a blacklist that only members can access, you're VERY wrong.
And I've tried EVERYTHING to get my personal info off that blacklist. Highly reviewed ladies have made attempts, and one even had a phone call with the "operator", where he had alluded that he'd "listen her out". It turned into a proposal for a date.
Ladies, PU-LLEEAASSEE think long and hard before you blacklist someone. I agree that Chelsea's case (thread below) was stiff enough to deserve it, but a cancellation, or even NCNS? Back-channel, start your own DNS list, but let's save the blacklists for the guys that deserve it, the thieves and the dangerous.
By the way, I appreciate Chelsea's having removed the guy from the blacklist, but the dude is still an asshole. That's the type I'd back-channel the hell out of if I were a provider.
Or EVER booked an appointment with. The girls did not like my board posts, opinions etc. so they Blacklisted me. It's insane what girls can get away with. It's almost impossible to get OFF one of those lists because most of them are run/owned by angry man hating providers
i don't believe that crap, you likely did something you are not saying .. hiding behind a allies. i have not put anyone on the blacklist(s) yet but i should have.
I bet the gals will tell a different story! and i don't hid my name.
There's always three sides to any story; His side, Her side, and the truth. We'll probably never know the truth in this case.
I bet the gals will tell a different story! and i don't hid my name.
With all the Backpage phony types flooding into the business, good providers must have a means of protecting their business against people that waste their time and try to cheat them out of money. I want quality providers living in my city and visiting my city, that means when they schedule a client, that client must show up and behave like a gentleman. I had a recent appointment where I got held up by traffic. The agency almost did not give me the lady's room number because almost half of my scheduled time was lost. But they gave me the number anyway because I am a good, reliable customer. To make a long story short, both me and the lady worked quickly and enjoyed ourselves. I cleaned up, dressed and left on time, tipping the lady on the way out. Call me soft if you want, but the provider that I met was excellent, I want a list of 20 or 30 of that type that me and other hobbyists have a choice of seeing when they visit. I don't want inconsiderate or dishonest hobbyists screwing things up for me, I want ladies to eliminate them from the poll of clients.
Or ever booked an appointment with the girl??? WTF is your problem? Maybe YOU should be put on a DNS or Blacklist Codger????
Blacklists should be reserved for only the most egregious crimes, violence, ripoffs, or Diseases.
The traffic had held you up to the point that you couldn't make it, and she put your idiot ass on a public blacklist?
You support the notion of putting ME on a blacklist for minor infractions so YOUR sorry ass can have a better POOL to draw from? Meanwhile I, potentially, struggle through the wake of a public outing so you can dip your wick in a hottie?
Yeah, the hobby is fortunate for folks like you....NOT.
To be CLEAR, I support the blacklisting of ROB and dangerous men. Otherwise I support BostonIndependent's approach, above.
I am very close to a provider and am often with her as she is checking out black lists to verify a potential client. She often lets my nosy self look over her shoulder.
One guy popped up on the black list as a NCNS and time waster, so I quipped "I guess you'll not be seeing him." Actually, she did end up seeing the person because she is well aware that a lot of gals black list guys for next to no reason and further she is aware of the gals who do that. She saw the guy and the date was fine.
Moral of the story: Do not totally despair if you end up on a black list. As long as you are not tagged as violent, a rip-off or LE, there's a fair chance that the gal will over look misdeamenors and still see you.
It's an imperfect system, but I think it does more good than harm in the long run.
If you have some solid gold references, you'll still be able to see most gals.
Everything about your post suggests that clients private information is not protected. You cannot even use your regular handle for that post and your telling clients not to worry that their personal information is up on a blacklist? Huh?????
One guy popped up on the black list as a NCNS and time waster, so I quipped "I guess you'll not be seeing him." Actually, she did end up seeing the person because she is well aware that a lot of gals black list guys for next to no reason and further she is aware of the gals who do that. She saw the guy and the date was fine.
Moral of the story: Do not totally despair if you end up on a black list. As long as you are not tagged as violent, a rip-off or LE, there's a fair chance that the gal will over look misdeamenors and still see you.
It's an imperfect system, but I think it does more good than harm in the long run.
If you have some solid gold references, you'll still be able to see most gals.
Look, if you want to be that paranoid to the point of not hobbying, be my guest.
But for those who are thinking that a listing on a black list is a lifetime death sentence for the hobby, guess again. If it were there probably wouldn't be a hobby.
And no, the black list is not a part of TER. There are at least half a dozen national black lists and many, many local ones as well.
I responded to an ad for massage on backpage. the only communication was through emails as she did not provide a number. And even though i gave her mine she never called.
i provided my infomation as requested. we never set up a time to meet. she emailed me back that i checked out and when did i want to set up an appointment. as my schedule was a little hectic at the time i did not respond to her email for three days when i did she informed me that i was blacklisted. for not getting back to her quick enough. we never had an appointment i still had no idea where she was located and yet i was blacklisted. and the national black list was okay with that. my info was their site for not calling someone back.
i emailed them explaining the situation to no avail.
if any providers think that is an appropriate punishment for my crime please let me know so i can avoid booking . if you read my reviews i have posted a fair amount of reviews with both agencies and indys and no problem i was blacklisted by someone i never met or set an appointmetn with. i just inquired
Wow, I had no idea that this kind of stuff was going on. Are the blacklists part of this site, or separate? Do I understand it correctly, providers can post personal information of clients on public sites based on nothing but their unsupported assertion that he acted badly? That is crazy! It could be the whim of an unbalancd provider (There are some, you know, I've met a few!), revenge for an on line post that annoyed her. Are there no methods of challanging a spurious listing? All it would take would be one guy wrongly listed with nothing to lose then getting a lawyer... that would end this fast. Or... listing a guy with mob connections! ~LOL~ I have not been active in the hobby for a long while but I was going to start up again. I will think twice about becoming active again now, it is not worth this kind of risk. I just paid for a VIP membership, and now I know I may have wasted my money... I might not be using the services. This is why you have to be insane or have a death wish to let a provider or agency know both your real identity and your TER ID ... at least until you know them really well!
Ass if a provider sees me or not. I don't want my FAMILY to know. Jesus, read the OP again.
I understand these lists publish real names/addresses/phone numbers. This means anyone anywhere in the world that googles a name that is on such a blacklist for any reason may find it and start reading about the guy's hobby habits.
When I first heard of these lists I thought it might be interesting to blacklist my local priest, high-school principal, mayor, and other politicians...just to see what happens. These lists are bad news and need to be shut down. Unfortunately anything that gets shut down on the internet just pops up again under another name.
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Should we remove review sites as well? After all, they can be just as damaging to a provider as a blacklist can be to a hobbyist.
They both have their place, they can both be abused. It's an imperfect solution, but it's all we have to work with. If someone can think of another way to do it, please feel free.
When I first heard of these lists I thought it might be interesting to blacklist my local priest, high-school principal, mayor, and other politicians...just to see what happens. These lists are bad news and need to be shut down. Unfortunately anything that gets shut down on the internet just pops up again under another name.
can cost a guy his whole world, if he's outed totally.
It will make things less safe as clients become more and more afraid to give out their personal information. It will also hurt their business as clients stay away from providers who throw people onto the blacklist at the drop of a hat (DNS falls into this category).
IF IT MAKES IT TO THE INTERNET, IT IS THERE FOREVER!
Who do you think is more likely to provide their personal information, someone with nothing to lose or someone with a lot to lose? Which is more likely to be the client you want to see?
I have personally established a base of references, both agencies and indys, that I try to use when I see someone new. In the last two weeks I had to forgo seeing 2 ladies I wanted to see because they still wanted my last name. However, because of the abuse of the blacklists, I no longer give that out. Maybe not a big deal, however if the blacklist abuse continues, many more may be following in my footsteps.
my 2 pennies
Kudos to Boston International! They will continue to be on my list.
i was put on the national blacklist by a popular provider . For a BS reason. I found out a year later when I googled my name . all my info , birthdate , etc .BUUUTTT , when you looked up my name , the next guys info popped up too (you know how different things pop up with the things you search) , and , lo and behold , he beats up and rapes prostitutes . SO , my name, with his info , all at once . THe provider involved said her friend got my info and decided to put it on this website . Right! So , after complaining a while later my name was still there but somehow another guys stuff came up , because , get this , somebody must have tried to fix it by inserting either a phony bad review of somebody , because it was over a year later and a newer one came up instead of the rapist one . Get it?
1. Where is this "blacklist"? Do they post it on here somewhere? How do you know if you are on it?
2. How can you get off of it?
I have seen the national blacklist and don't even want to think about it.
It's like...if you even look at it, the phone will ring and you will die in 7 days.
www.dangerzone411.com which is run by Ciara of Buffalo
www.nationalblacklist.com which is run by Michelle
www.verifyhim.com which is run by 'the boss'
www.badboyclientlist.com which is run by Gia
Heard of one guy who might be able to help (www.wix.com/hobbyistdefender/hobbyistdefender)
but I am not on any of these lists yet so I don't know for sure
I gave the second one the once-over and saw a listing "Gives ladies very low review scores"... I am not making this stuff up! The system of publicly shared reviews could be endangered by this. Another reason for me to reconsider renewing my hobby life, this could get real ugly. It is a ticking time bomb!
When you NCNS, you are costing a provider money. Often, there was another client that wanted that time slot who they had to turn away. The high incidence of NCNS in this business is the reason that so many providers will double or even triple book. Is it really so difficult to pick up the phone, or send an email, and let the provider know that something came up and you can't make it. At least give them a chance to contact that client they had to turn away and see if they're still available.
We don't have many NCNS, but back when I was independent, it used to happen multiple times on a daily basis. Maybe agencies don't get as many NCNS, or maybe it's because back when I was independent I didn't ask for references before booking with clients.
Ladies, PU-LLEEAASSEE think long and hard before you blacklist someone. I agree that Chelsea's case (thread below) was stiff enough to deserve it, but a cancellation, or even NCNS? Back-channel, start your own DNS list, but let's save the blacklists for the guys that deserve it, the thieves and the dangerous.
debate is good.
Now the problem I see is its a he said/she said situation when it comes to Blacklisting and we all know some ppl are just mean n will blacklist a client to be an asshole/
Regulation is difficult.
Yet at the same time there are really good reasons to blacklist some and honestly, theft of over $200 in any case is grand theft and in the real world your name would go in the paper you'd get arrested your life would be ruined.
Theft of a provider I see as even more disturbing, you steal from them thinking you can get away with it. Its a bully tactic picking on someone who cant call the cops. I'll bet they don't walk jut on a check in a restaurant. Its pure bully moves.
Its intentional and it is aggressive.
I do believe blacklisting is deserved.
Bottom line behave yourself n u have nothing to worry about.
I don't wanna jump to blacklisting conclusions with people but I had a really bad timewaster who canceled under 3 hours notice and wouldn't reimburse me the $100 for my Zipcar. He then made and canceled an OVERNIGHT.
I was on P411 last night and saw a girl had okayed him as of 9/16, mad
theres always someone that goes over board, theres always someone who takes advantage.
I understand its not always fair but that doesnt mean the whole process is bad.
I do believe some ppl behave as to NOT end up on the blacklist.
For the most part, those on that list DO belong there.