So guys tell me something.. I have a feeling I already know what the girls will say... but when I see a favorite ora new provider, I always do my homework and it turns out to be a pleasant meeting, so as with every other service oriented job I tip, based on the service...
No matter how expensive...and I'm amazed at how many amazing ladies are so surprised and thankful, because it seems that it is not the norm, which I find absolutely odd.

Guys whether we go out for a burger or for 5 star dining, no matter what the bill, we tip for the service and the pleasantry of the experience.

So why is it this is not the same for this genre?

Your thoughts??

I agree with you.  When the service is exceptional especially with someone new who delivered more than what you expected I think its appropriate.

If I can identify something, a small gift or gift card I know the lady would readily use, I'll do that.

But you must remember this is a service industry too but its also like my mechanic, my lawyer, my grocer all providing a service.  I don';t tip them because their price is chosen by them, they determine what they want to charge, where a waitress is only serving what is prepared and probably owned by others.

Providers set their rates in the same way.  They determine what their value is and tipping isn't alway necessary or warranted.

But there is another category, Agency girls, who don't set their rate, and who only make a portion of the entire take.  Tipping these woman is not only appropriate but I think should be seen as the norm  These ladies are closer to waitresses, from my analogy above, than indies are.  

Hope this helps  

I am pretty sure it has to do with the initial "cost of admission."

I don't think many of us, if any of us, have ever spent $$$ or even more at a restaurant.  Not to mention the fact that beyond wages and tips, waiters/waitresses don't make much else.

Also, IMHO, a hobbyist tips differently (if tipping at all), if a lady is independent or works through an agency.

Just my two cents...keep the change.

When you go out to dinner you tip the server-who is working for less than minimum wage, not the person who owns the restaurant. When I hire a woman and pay her $300 for an hour of her time I don't feel the need to give her a tip anymore than I would tip my doctor or my dentist. I do tip agency ladies on occasion and I bring small gifts for my favs but that's about as far as it goes...

With all the competition, I think a lot of ladies don't charge what they want, but rather what they can get. I don't care what they charge or if they are agency girls or Indy, if they provide good service, I tip. They are giving their body and soul, and it sickens me when guys talk about prices as if they were shopping at home depot. And I don't believe for one minute that any of these girls enjoy the work they do. They are giving a lot so pay them what they're worth, not what they charge.

Last time I was at the dentist I squirmed in pain. And the doctor visit just made me feel worse. So I don't think you can compare that with getting your cock sucked on and having sn orgasm!

...Or work simply as a means to an end as your post seems to imply.

I understand a degree of cynicism that some clients hold regarding the amount of pleasure that providers actually derive from encounters during appointments - but to say that you don't believe for a second that any of us enjoy the work that we do is grossly offensive and a little bit sad because I would never want to participate in a service if I thought that the worker didn't enjoy the work they were doing or if I felt I were capitalizing on their need.

Your sentiments seem genuine and you seem to have a great deal of concern and appreciation for the very sensitive service that providers provide. However, I think that you should consider that perhaps some providers are honest in their expressions of enjoyment (and sometimes downright love) of what they have chosen as their business, even if they are not in the majority.  I'm not trying to dismiss your opinion or experience so I hope that you don't read disrespect in my response to your thoughts.

As far as the thread topic goes, I don't expect or angle for tips.  Sometimes I'm extremely overpaid and when I have a client who routinely tips or gifts I try to offset it with additional time or perks so that I can acknowledge the generosity.  
As an independent I set my fees with consideration to the market I'm available in, my service and what I offer with respect to other providers within the same market, my overhead and what it costs to keep my guests comfortable and entertained (supplies, attire, personal maintenance etc.).
My fee provides for my costs and my return.
I do not work for minimum wage as others in service/hospitality industries do and everything that I make belongs to me.  
There is no reason for me to expect or hope for tips; however, when I receive them I enjoy it not for the immediate small gain but as an acknowledgment for my efforts and that makes me feel good.

As someone said above the only instances in which a client should really feel inclined to tipping is when he's visiting an agency provider.  Being that agency providers are generally responsible for their incall and costs of business (save for advertisement and photographs) and they still share 30-50% of their earnings with the service, if an agency provider is exceptional and a client is in a position to be generous its very kind of him to think to give a little bit to her to offset the split.  
Obviously he isn't obligated to because she has determined what rate she's willing to work for just as the independent provider has, but having worked for several services and having taken home considerably less than I take home now for much more work I recall having always being especially grateful to clients who left little gifts with consideration to the agency split.

With all due respect, that response is exactly what I would expect.  If you could make the same pay, working the same hours doing something else, I would be surprised if you'd be in this profession.

"I don't believe for one minute that any of these girls enjoy the work they do."

I have always lived by the philosophy that if I don't enjoy it why do it!  Life is way too short to spend days doing something that you do not absolutely love!

I had a job as a telemarketer once, I hated it after just a few weeks.  I gave my 2 week notice and my boss gave me a counter offer of an extra $2 an hour!  I still quit!

In my private life I love showing off, dressing up and being a slutty  model and attending swing party's, so for me the choice of becoming a provider was an obvious one! It is who I am!

Life is full of choices, you can choose to do what makes you happy or you can choose to sacrifice your happiness for cash! Too many people live to work instead of work to live. I choose to live life to the fullest and enjoy every moment that I can. I hope that my friends enjoy my time with them as much as I enjoy their time with me!!! teehee

Ciao!
Love, Penny XXXOOO

PS  Ally Moore I find your mind as sexy as your gorgeous body!!!

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...And the fact that I've posted my thoughts with my handle five or six threads above my last advertisement probably suggests self-promotion more than self-revelation.  

This topic is really deserving of its own as the motivations of providers has nothing to do with tipping so I'm not going to go much farther here.

I would like to address your last comment only to say that you should take the money and the hours out of the equation though if you'd like to explore what participation in this business means for some providers.  
Yes, there are women with limited skill sets and no other choice who work to support themselves and their families - but that's true many jobs.  That's true of many educated white collar professionals who loathe their work and find no joy in their profession.
Your opinion seems to leave no room for any providers involved in this business as a true choice in lifestyle and I think that's what bothered me about your initial post.
When I left my 16 hour class schedule / 2 job work week in 2007 I drove away on my last day terrified thinking "what have I done?" and "this is so selfish, unproductive."  
My interest in this business has never been in pursuit of easy or fast financial gain - I involved myself in this "profession" to be free and to meet men in the capacity that I wanted to.
This phenomenon isn't limited to me.
Maybe at some point at you'll meet a companion who is forthcoming, honest and interesting enough for you to get to know on a personal level and you'll see that this business is different for each participant and that some of the most obvious answers as to "why" a person would choose this profession simply aren't applicable to every escort/companion/provider/sex worker.

Xo,
Ally

Agreed, there's always exceptions.

For the most part I only see a couple of different ladies when they are in town.  I usually bring a nice gift, something I know for a fact they will love.  Lingerie, gift card to her favorite store, restaurant, etc.  If I know it's their birthday or right around their birthday I ususally will pick up something really nice.

Stop making these women out to be victims. They are not pimped-out street walkers, they are intelligent women who know exactly what they are doing. Tip them if you want but stop kidding yourself. They have chosen to make a living as escorts. What they charge is up to them and what we are willing to pay is up to us. It is a business above all else.  The ladies seem to understand that just fine.

All provide professional services and charge as professionals.  That is the comparison. What one can not do is compare a waitress working for a server's wage plus tips to an escort charging hundreds of dollars an hour for her services.

Just a side note; many ladies that you think may be independent, are not. Agencies market some girls that way, and often times, you don't know any better.

True true.

Back to the tipping aspect, I will agree with what you said earlier about ATFs; they tend to get tipped from me the most, though lately, usually I get sometime small regardless as a tiny gift.

I consider myself a darn savvy shopper, so the tip isn't a financial issue as one could make it out to be.

I'm well aware of the tricks that some agencies pull.  That being said, it's still irrelevant. A girl CHOOSES to work for an agency to make her life easier.  She pays them a fee to handle a portion of the job that she doesn't want to deal with. I feel no obligation to tip an escort simply because I booked her through an agency.

I don't feel any obligation either, and we all make our own choices. If a girl is terrific, I tip her every time regardless of her price or situation. They risk a lot, give a lot, and have to deal with a lot of dickheads. You pay them to get what you want; you tip them to show that you really appreciate them.

I'm not sure where the whole appreciation thing comes in to play here. I book an appointment with an escort. I treat her respectfully, conduct myself as a gentleman should around a lady and happily pay her fee. If I enjoyed myself, I will most likely call her again and gladly pay the fee again.  End of story.

Now, if I become friendly with a lady that I see on a regular basis and feel a bit more of a connection I will buy dinners, bring gifts and make other gestures that show my appreciation of her friendship. On her end, this connection often results in extended sessions or time spent off the clock. Amazingly, all of this happens without me tipping a dime.

If you want to tip that's great, go right ahead and do what makes you happy. Regardless of how many different ways you try to explain why we all should be doing it I'm not buying it...

I never said everyone should tip; to each his own, and I wouldn't even attempt to speak for every provider. What you don't see, and this is a fact, is that some providers are not making the same connection with you, as you are with them. Even though you may feel it. Many of them, including some respected ladies on this forum, don't give a crap about your friendship. They don't want your dinners or your gifts, and consider me and you nothing more than pains in the ass. You say that you pay your fee; me too. If I pay a  $300 fee to two different providers, and the service varies greatly, their ending compensation will vary as well. Most providers do this solely for money, and the good ones  earn it. You've probably made what you thought was a deep connection, with a married woman who hoped you would never call her again.

and stop acting like you know better than I do what goes on between me and a provider.  Whatever works for you works for you. The rest of us are perfectly capable of discerning who to spend time and money on and how much to spend.

One person does not create a connection or a friendship. When I book an appointment with a provider and she has sex with me that's business.  When she calls me a few weeks later because she's in town and aske if I want to have dinner with her-no appointment involved-that's friendship.  If that's your idea of me being a pain in the ass I can live with that!

Stop putting these women on your "pitty me" pedestal and realize that they are intelligent human beings.  They are perfectly capable of enjoying the time spent with a polite gentleman for both the financial and personal rewards that may be involved.  If you want to keep it all business and tip based on the quality of the blow job you get that's fine.  I've never felt the need to do that.  If I see a lady and I don't enjoy the experience I just don't see her again.

I really do not mean to put down anyone elses experiences or relationships. I worked as a driver for 7 years and dealt very closely with agency girls and indies alike. I know that much of what I read is crap. This time left me with a bigger respect and appreciation for the girls than most will ever have. It also left me with a general dislike for the average client. I know that this isn't fair and will do my best to refrain from negative comments.