IG is also a reputable company that has been around for years. The names they post are not of the girls real names, its their stage names. Why shouldnt they expose thieves? If a lady steals from an agency they can steal from you too.
Without going into too much RSG is also a very reputable company (whose reputation extends all the way out too NYC) that wouldnt keep thieves employed with her service.
If a lady stole from you guys, you guys would and should expose her. So look at it as a positive way of informing you guys as well to stay away from these ladies should they decide to go indy. Just my .02
LOL. Click on the BadApples link and get the names, photos, and amounts allegedly owed by the ladies to the Agency.
I really don't think it is wise.
You may just recognize a few of the ladies that have worked @ RSG, which seem to have a lot of the same ladies.
http://www.indygirls.net/badapples.php
IG is also a reputable company that has been around for years. The names they post are not of the girls real names, its their stage names. Why shouldnt they expose thieves? If a lady steals from an agency they can steal from you too.
Without going into too much RSG is also a very reputable company (whose reputation extends all the way out too NYC) that wouldnt keep thieves employed with her service.
If a lady stole from you guys, you guys would and should expose her. So look at it as a positive way of informing you guys as well to stay away from these ladies should they decide to go indy. Just my .02 ![]()
Placing a "Bad Apples" section in a discreet location on the website for fellow agency access only would be more appropriate than putting it in the primary navigation bar.
Its prominent location on the website and inclusion of facial pictures from providers who have their faces otherwise blurred on other agency websites suggest to me that the service is attempting to shame these women in recovering its fees.
That practice sounds good in theory-
But if were a client? I would think twice about providing my personal information at any indication that the service is vindictive or capable of publicly using strong arm tactics when they feel they've been crossed (*these girls allegedly owe money to the service(s) - there is no accounting for what transpired between the service and their former employees [who they likely hired based on their photographs and telephone voice only and no other knowledge of their character]).
Ally, I understand your point, but again IG is not posting photos up of clients that have wronged them. It's ladies who chose to stole from them and have no intention on paying monies back. I know Jewels and Joy and I know they would never strong arm a client , but would simply blacklist them against using their service. Jewels cares very much about her clients and companions, as they have companions and clients that have been with them for years. But as always, opinions are like assholes, everyone has one ![]()
Service websites are about the client and his immediate needs - not what he could encounter, or may encounter should he see one of the service's former employees.
It appears vindictive (and it is) - and that is not a reason that a good service should lose potentially good clients who are uninterested in the service's drama. The service may be in the right but at the end of the day, its the service's image which is not sullied.
A friend once said "you can't embarrass a whore on a message board" - now someone is going to take offense to that I know (lol) but I think its hilarious...and I also think its reasonably accurate and applicable to thieves as well.
Their solution may be an annoyance for the providers featured but I bet $1 that it will be an unproductive solution which colors the image of the service more than the providers themselves and will not bring about what is owed.
Take it easy DC : ).
LOL Ally on a postive note I have to say I like your style. I also can see where you are coming from but again just like a previous poster said , why is it any different when a client decides to out these girls, when they do something wrong?
Its frustrating for all parties when you have been wronged and everyone handles things differently. ![]()
My limited understanding of the way the system works with Agencies and their Independent Contractor (employees?) is that the ladies pay the Agency a cut.
Thus, it is a dispute over the contractual obligation, not an actually taking of money while the money is in the possession of the Agency.
Additionally, since the Agency wants to be discreet, making public their "disagreement" reflects poorly on the Agency. IMHO.
Lemme guess....you are an attorney. Well ok, when an agency pays for ads, books a ladies flight (which they pay for) , pays for their hotel, and gets these ladies appts and the lady decides to run out with all the money , that is stealing.
Let me ask you a question, if you book an appt with a lady and she takes the money and runs, what is that considered? If you book an hour appt and the lady kicks you out after 15 minutes while keeping your full donation, what is that considered? If a lady advertises GFE services when in fact she doesnt provide GFe at all and wants to just sit there and talk, what is that ? Would all those fall under "dispute over contractual obligation" ? Just sayin....
If you play lawyer.....can I play naughty secretary ?
I have to agree with Ally. Does not matter what the reason; any agency that would negatively post information (whether stage name or pictures) of their ladies is only one short step away from posting private information about clients or providing it to others for a profit or under duress.
Not saying this has already been done; but this webpage is a clear effort to create damage or motivate the ladies to do what the agency wants. Assurance that this would never happen to a client is an empty promise. If you will do it to a lady there isn't any barrier to going further.
This is not cute or funny. It just makes me wary of being involved with these agencies
No one would hardly raise an eyebrow if an individual posted that he'd been robbed or stolen from in some way. Many times it's done on the RO board so there isn't even the opportunity for the other person to state their case.
It's definitely interesting to see how people's opinions are formed when it's an agency that does the very same thing.
I agree ![]()
..These are are situationally two different things which may seem comparable but aren't truly equal.
If a client is robbed or does not receive services which he has paid for and subsequently reports to his peers on a message board devoted to sharing information of this nature this is not equal to a business reporting that its employee has failed to pay house fees to not only the business' peers (other agencies), but the entire viewership of their website, clients and 'other' alike).
Additionally a client who feels he has been wronged doesn't have the luxury of posting her unblurred photograph on a static website.
If a client posts here that he has been robbed or has not received services that he paid for in advance in good faith and it makes it back to the provider- she has ample opportunity to dispute that in the very same venues where he has made his complaints (even if something appears on the RO board - if she has an awareness of it she can still publicly post to dispute it).
These ladies have no recourse.
If I were to work for my friend Jill again for a span of several days and were to take off without paying her house fees and she in turn posted an unblurred photograph of me on RSG.com with the amount owed I would have no recourse. I would be annoyed, but it wouldn't make me inclined to paying her any faster, clients would be distracted and would question her discretion.
Most importantly I would not have any manner of disputing her claim without access to the audience RSG.com reaches.
Alternatively if I were to receive a $1000 deposit from a client and refuse to arrive at the appointment or reconcile that with repayment and he reported me on the Reviewer Only board or publicly- I would have ample opportunity to dispute that and clear my name in this forum amongst his peers and mine alike- a chance that these women do not have.
fine fine fine lol lets just agree to disagree and go have a drink ![]()
and usually find that te truth lies between the two somwhere.
I suggest that a post in a thread alleging theft or a "bait & switch" is different than a webpage that provides a name, photo and accusation of theft.
The webpage is permanent at the whim of the accuser while the thread is off the first page of TER after a day or two.
The exposure is exponentially different.
I remember seeing this before. I have to admit, I don't blame the agency for the public shaming. Aside from sending hired goons, it's probably the only recourse. It might not be wise in the long run, but maybe it is. I just hope they're legit and not some mistake or something. I'm guessing legit.
I was told by Taylor that I should view this link and quite frankly I was not going to respond but I will say this. The Bad Apples page was for all agency owners to use and send us info so that we or other agencies do not get burnt.
For example. Shauna.. Shauna has taken off with monies from here before and given a chance after chance to come back and pay monies owed. She will be touring with Jill upon stipulation she pays monies back to us for what she owes us. We pay advertising, flights,websites,hotels in full I might add during their stay. Plus professional photos.
This has nothing to do with client information and all to do with girls stealing and it sucks truly it does. I do not steal from anyone and we have mnay clients here in NJ and many from Boston that come to visit with us via Jill.
I am a very professional woman and have been in business for 13 plus years. I love my girls and my clients and most of my girls stay here 5 yrs plus due to me being the way I am.
You know nothing about me or the way I am with anyone so why judge a Bad Apples Page which btw some of those girls did not steal from just us but clients in sessions and I HAVE REPAID MONEY TO CLIENTS from my own profits to make up for theft. BELIEVE IT OR NOT!!!
I am not a saint nor I want to be looked upon as one. So to each is own and we should move on and not discuss this cause to be honest trust goes both ways and I have been able to retrieve monies for other agencies and they have been able to retrieve monies for us so it does work.
They should be outed if they are thieves plain and simple and their real names are not used just stage as Taylor put it.
Ally I like your comments and respect them but to each is own and please do not judge until you are in the shoes of an agency owner and have to deal with the drama and the loss. Please do not judge me in your comments as to imply I would out a client cause you do not know me or know who I am or what I am about as I do not know you.
At times I think all of you think we are multi million dollar companies. I know Jill and myself are not we get by and do what we have to do for our families. I do not have 5 homes nor 5 cars nadda. Just 3 beautiful boys, a grand daughter, sister with a new born and my mom who is alone and I take care of now due to my Dad's passing. So in turn if I can help others and myself get monies due then I will try and do it.
Plain and simple now lets move on to something else .... Regards, Jewels
Plenty of other avenues to exchange info instead of the website. The website is for the public. How many agencies are going to your website for info? Laughable.
Clearly, you have leverage by showing photos of their faces and making the accusations.
And please, do not claim poor mouth or support of family members, it also reflects poorly on you in your argument to make public these accusations.
Bottomline, I don't doubt you would use leverage against clients if you needed to in order to collect on a "debt".
Clearly, you have leverage by showing photos of their faces and making the accusations.
And please, do not claim poor mouth or support of family members, it also reflects poorly on you in your argument to make public these accusations.
Bottomline, I don't doubt you would use leverage against clients if you needed to in order to collect on a "debt".
Nicely stated and I did not post the family thing to gain sympathy from any of you here. Bottom line is that I as a business woman have my practices and if you do not like the way I practice then move on.
This was done to avoid other agencies being out of money as well as myself. IT WORKS!!! HAS WORKED and many other agencies are following my lead as to doing this page.
Let's agree to disagree and move on...
Funny how you point out my family statement but you did not point out the statement I made about reinbursing my clients from my pocket when a girl steals from them. I am fair and the girls on there deserve to be there . They pay their debt they go off plain and simple and it works.
Drive safely in thie weather as NJ is just horrid...
Much Love Jewels
I'm only speaking from a place of personal experience.
I was once robbed and assaulted.
When I publicly made others aware of my experience and reached out to make a warning? I was labeled a drama queen by clients who had no interest in being aware of anything other than their immediate interest despite being a victim.
I understand your position and method; I'm only saying that some things are better off dealt with in private lest it color your own business.
I have *much* respect for your service despite my opinion on this particular practice.
My best wishes for your resolution,
Ally