So in the last couple of years, when a fella might expect more ladies to offer 1/2 hour appointments at reasonable rates, just the opposite seems to be happening.  Try to find even a sensual massage gal offering a half-hour for less than a buck and a half and other than a few AMP's, no luck.  One mature lady was asking almost two Bens for a half-hour . . .  Remembering when an RSG 1/2 hour session was 125, I wish I'd taken more opportunities back then!  Isn't anyone still offering a no upsell 30 minute appt. for less than 150?  It's a recession - how many guys can still wrangle 190 (a recent donation I was quoted) for a half-hour?!  It's like those cereal boxes shrinking in size but growing in cost!  Or am I missing some UTR lady whose suggested donation is still reasonable for the ordinary guy?

We're only doing outcalls primarily right now. But I am actively seeking new girls who will be able to offer incalls. I think you'll find our incall rates to be very reasonable. Currently the only girl I have offering incalls is Freya. She's usually only available one day a week for incalls though.

You want the luxury option of a half hour appointment because it works for you right? You figure hey, it should work for her look at all the clients she can get? Maybe she doesn't want to fuck and suck all day? Maybe it's really not very discreet for client number 6 that day? You've seen the news lately right? Which we know these efforts are going to continue. Because there is bound to be some foot traffic from these gals who you are advising here that will be swimming in the cash from these multiple 30 minute appointments.

I'm of the opinion it attracts problems, and I say this entirely without prejudice. It is based solely on safety ideas and my own thoughts regarding the hobby.  

Different strokes for different folks. This doesn't exactly lead up to a great model for discretion or covering your ass first  and if I want to be discreet and cover my ass I want less foot traffic right? I know that these hotels are looking and keeping an eye out as is uncle Leo. Neighbors always notice that lady with one too many guy friends. They notice lots of vehicles, strange people that don't live in the neighborhood. Hotels are very hot and the gals have to be careful. Things are being more scrutinized. They especially notice lots of foot traffic with quick, short, visits. Leads to questions and big problems.

If you search there are still some gals out there offering what you seek.

Hmmm. Didn't mean to strike a nerve with anybody. Yes, the cost of living has increased, but discretionary spending (spending on things that are luxuries, not necessities) has decreased. More people are eating at McDonalds that at Morton's Steakhouse; hotel rates for folks who aren't traveling on business have gone done (check them out on weekends); housing prices in the Boston area are down 30% (or more in some areas); many people are renting DVD's from Netflix and Redbox for a buck and a quarter instead of dropping $12 to $20 for movie tickets, popcorn, and a soda; the net worth of the average middle-class family has fallen by 40%; ads can be posted for relatively minimal amounts on a number of websites known for advertising the services of providers, and anybody with $50 and a little technical knowledge (or access to search engine results providing instructions) can set up her own website to advertise her services 24/7.  Even if (big if) the price of a Boston-area hotel room has increased an extra $75 a night (and it hasn't), how does it logically follow that a half-hour appointment that once cost $125 should now cost $175 (an increase of 40%)? Yes, the prices on a lot of things have gone up, but that doesn't mean that the price of a half-hour of company (however pleasurable, and let's face it, when meeting new providers, it's often a roll of the dice, right?) is worth an extra 40% for the client. A guy who is looking for a half-hour of diversion will be tempted to skip that half-hour (the client pays for gasoline, too, by the way) as an incredible luxury and may well keep the extra dough for necessities. No one (and not me) is saying that a half-hour of good company should cost less than it did a couple of years ago, but it's basic economics that a provider will risk losing clients if she doesn't limit her fee increases to something reasonable.  Personally, I would think it makes more sense to see another two or three clients a day and build a base of loyal, repeat clients, than try to raise the fee on a half-hour appointment (the economy session, right?) and wind up with fewer clients.  But whatever works for you, that's what I always say . . .

Because hobbying is a luxury ladies may choose to set a premium on that luxury. It is simply the way the proverbial ball bounces. You can piss, moan, wine. Your view of how she should market, price, and to who has no bearing on what she decides to to. It is after all a business and she will run it like one in the way that works best for her.

It has little to do with what anyone else thinks, but how her expenses and overhead add up vs her actual pay at the end of it all after screening time etc.

...for some "reasonable" what's reasonable (or not much even) to one guy is a little too pricey for another. And to everything else you said AgentGibbs (love NCIS but anyways...lol) two nipples up. It's definitely more of how expenses/overhead add up vs actual pay/rate(s) at the end (how many appts she cares to see in a day or week or whatever,  if she's local vs traveling etc). And though it's a fun business it still is one and there has to be a decent profit at minimum (especially if touring/traveling).

BB was only lamenting the fact that there are not more offerings of "reasonable" half hour rates.  He never indicated that girls couldn't charge what they determine to be their "worth".  He never stated that all the ladies should charge lower rates.

One would think that there would be a few ladies out there that would charge a fee that would perhaps increase their customer base.  Of course, there are business activities that DEMAND is unrelated to PRICE.  For all I and BB know, the hobby may well be one of those business activities.  In which case, the ladies would be better off increasing their prices if it has no impact on the number of customers that call them.

I generally prefer the hh for less than $150, and that is why I see UTR more than the higher priced ladies.  To each their own.  Call it professional envy, but I prefer not to see the ladies whose hourly rate is greater than my own after 20 years of schooling.  Petty, I know.

Why would you assume that a 30 minute appointment would remain static?  Hobbying is a luxury, not a right or a necessity.  Whining about the price a provider chooses to place on her body and her services is a bit pathetic.

I'm sure there are plenty of cheap dates waiting for you on Back Page...

just my personel oponion i think the girls who offer half hour appointments are low end. i am sure it is just a perception. but that is how i feel. what next i have seen 15 min ads as well. and for what it is worth i think the time should be savored not get in get out get off.

just my two cents.

I had clients in the past tell me pointedly they were uncomfortable with me providing half hours - they had ideas about my safety, their safety, my volume, my health etc- regardless of the fact that my schedule was sprinkled with them, not dominated by them.  

We can't just take into consideration what will keep us busy in the immediate sense; we must also consider who we alienate when we price ourselves too low just as when we price ourselves too high.

If my choice is a steady stream of new business (clients who are unknown to me, who must be screened and experienced sight unseen) at a higher volume or a steady stream of regulars who will routinely book more time albeit at a lower volume...I choose the latter.

The original poster is a great client and I understand his thoughts...but he says it would make more sense to accept an extra "two or three clients a day" so casually like that is ideal.  It isn't.  An extra two or three clients a day for a provider who is working two or three times as hard for the same amount that a provider who works at a lower volume is more likely to burnout IMO- just speaking from experience on that note.

Also remember that in the case of RSG the clientele was so large that the girls were virtually guaranteed work- a popular companion knew that when they got that room and came in they could work a great deal unless she had a cap on her volume (on the $150 half hour a companion would receive ****$90**** in addition to paying for her accommodations for the day BTW).  
But those guarantees made those half hour sessions worthwhile for service girls.

There is no guarantee of that telephone volume for an independent and  we have to screen for ourselves.
$125 for a half hour could be okay for an independent with a very simple business I suppose...but for me, no it wouldn't be worth elaborate dressing & makeup, and traveling to my incall location or securing one, providing the service, the aftercare (emails, communication, endless references etc).  It would require that I work all day every day- as in constantly be "on" like a machine to ensure that I make a "quota" to make it all financially worthwhile.
Working like that is deeply unsatisfying.
I run my business in a way that makes me feel happy to provide the service and in a way that allows me to attract like minded clients- not the most clients, just clients with whom I can be passionate and true. If I got really industrious about it and started running "reasonable half hours" at the price points we're talking about here it would raise eyebrows and there is a good chance I'd lose footing with clients who prefer longer sessions.  
I think that other girls are probably raising their rates for that reason too (whether its justified or not) and also because of the influx of higher priced companions.  

I don't know...just my thoughts....but things are a bit more complicated than lowering rates for "mass appeal".

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Do you walk into Morton's and advice them where they can buy cheaper linens, produce and how they can hire cheaper help so they can serve you half a steak at reasonable price?

No, did not think so.  You either save up and wait till you can afford to dine there or stick with local diners.

I got no dog in this argument since I never offered half hours to begin with .. but whenever you feel an urge to lecture providers on how to run and price their business, why don't YOU give it a try?

EROS has Male escorts category.

Lina

Ally, doll, you're exactly right when it comes to sexy, classy, sincere ladies like you.  I would't think of thinking that $125 would be worth your while for a half-hour appointment with a strange new guy.  But $225 for a half-hour with a new repeat, nice client might be worth it, right?  So somewhere between that $125 and that $225 figure is a number where you could screen out some clients but still keep a few repeaters (like me) happy to spend even only 30 funfilled minutes with you from time to time rather than saving it all up for a big splurge (so to speak) only once every 4 to 6 weeks.  My observation was really directed at lesser well known ladies who do themselves a disservice by plucking a number out of thin air and then wondering why less, not more, men come to see them.  A young lady who advertises on Backpage that she's offering a special half-hour rate of $175 may not understand that to most guys' minds, rightly or wrongly, that translates to an hourly rate of $350 (I know it's not the same thing and that a half-hour should cost more).  But if a half-hour still means a lot of freshening up and prep between clients, for a guy (and I don't claim to speak for all guys) it means a somewhat rushed session where, let's face it, a good 5 to 10 minutes of the 30 minutes is dedicated to undressing and dressing and freshening up in the bathroom, etc.  With a hot and sexy lady like you, Ally, I know those remaining minutes will be fun filled; with many gals, sad to say, the half-hour would be worth it hardly at all.

Dude why is it whiny or pathetic to point out that some ladies (not all) may be losing the chance to build up a bigger client base by asking too much for a half-hour appointment.  You're right, it's a luxury and a lady can charge whatever she wants to.  That's her right, of course.  And she should see exactly as many clients each day as she cares to, so if she thinks a half-hour of her company is worth $300 (as a very few ladies seem to think) and she can drum up a client to pay that every day, well, good for her.  But for most of us non-rich folks, $100 a half-hour isn't bubblegum money, and if my regular provider hikes her rate from $125 to $175, she may find new clients willing and able to afford that, but if I do continue seeing that lady it's going to be a lot less.  And frankly I'll also be TOFTT'ing with other ladies whose rates are more in my ballpark.  Is it some badge of pride to swallow a 40% rate increase in the midst of a recession?  If so, okay, then my comments were whiny and pathetic.  But I think no one benefits, not the provider providing the luxury or the client paying for it, if the half hourly or hourly rate results in some nice ladies pricing themselves out of the market.

Ally, you nailed it on the head!

Agent Gibbs, you're absolutely right.  My comments, observations, and suggestions were not meant in a pedantic sense, however; and I wasn't implying (or didn't mean to imply) that any of these fair ladies should offer half-hour appointments.  My guess is that even at $125 a half-hour, which is low, most ladies would have much downtime anyway, especially in a recession.  But maybe I'm wrong and at $125 an hour the typical provider would draw one client every hour.  Over an 8 hour day, that busy provider would have revenue of only $1,000 (and hotels, travel, lube, etc. has to come out of that, too).  It's not an easy profession - I mean that seriously.  Far be it from me to tell any lady how much she should charge and how many strange popsicles she should become friendly with day after day, month after month.  Heck, if it were me, I'd limit my own lazy self to 3 hourlong appointments a day, at $300 an hour, and figure out how to make that money last me a year (setting aside some for the day I was too mature to continue in the business).

My only point was, if a lady herself chooses to offer 1/2 hour appointments in a down economy like this one, she might want to consider that her likely clientele will consist of average schmoes like me and not rich tycoons like so many of the posters.  Some of us get horny more than once a month, and as long as the going rate isn't too outrageous, we represent a market.  (Providers who have serviced men who pay for an hour and then leave after the first pop surely understand this.)  But if a lady wants to refrain from 1/2 hour appointments altogether or charge $6 a minute with a 20 minute minimum, morepower to her.  Sheesh, can't a guy voice a little wishfulness on these board without so many (not all) of the men and women here taking offense?!  There actually are plenty of providers offering 1/2 hours at a more modest rate, and my original post was simply meant to point out that for whatever reason, many of those providers have hiked their rates, in my opinion, to a level more that the average Joe can afford except on a very occasional basis.  Sorry if that personal observation rains on the parade of all you wealthy guys who are able to drop $400 each week on hourlong appointments. . .

I personally price my appointments in  way to encourage longer appointments.

2- 3 gentlemen callers seeing me in upscale hotel for multihour engagements does not raise eye brows as much as parade of men coming and going for shorter dates.

Additional consideration is emotional investment in appointment.

A lot of people assume that most taxing part of working as a companion is physical part. For some it may be.  Girls who turn 10 appointments a day on "did u cum yet?" basis sure get a lot of physical mileage.

Then you have more upscale ladies who specialize in EXPERIENCE vs pops.  To me it means that within 30 seconds of my date walking through the door I have to be his ideal woman for whatever amount of time he has booked. I have to get on same mental and emotional level as someone I am meeting for the first time and maintain the fantasy and rapport in addition to the bedroom acrobatics.  Often times I have to KNOW what my date wants even before he can verbalize it to himself.


This means I need time to recharge and rest both physically AND emotionally between appointments.  

Lina

Sadly traffic is a huge consideration for a provider and too much is just a dangerous proposition in this hostile environment. I always enjoyed the 30 minute quickie lunch break rsg typically provided and when I had more time and money I would see a provider for longer typically more pre planned date as the 1/2 hours were usually spur of the moment. Time rethink how you play the game as/half hours are just too risky in a public place. Hosting from a house/condo etc. Is a different story.

I also have thought that most providers would rather book longer 2 - 3 hour appointments, and provide price incentives to encourage that. I haven't been able to figure out why many, if not most providers simply double their hourly rate for a 2 - hour booking????? I've wanted to ask that for a long time, but don't want to be pegged as a whiner, moaner, pissant looking for a discount. Most every pricing scheme of any retail business is set that way....buy more and you get a quantity discount. The "cost of goods sold" is significantly less, particularly if it encourages repeat business. I have to imagine how worn out (used) a provider will get if she is servicing an endless stream of back-to-back-to-back one-hour appointments. That has got to be excruciating for her!!!! I also agree with those who have commented on the perception of woman with an endless stream of short-visit male friends in a hotel. BAD, BAD, BAD in this environment.....even if in a personal incall. Just not a wise thing with all the LE activity going on. To think the LE is just focused on low-end street-walking activity would be naive. They're just watching and waiting and would love nothing more than to catch and make public examples of some high-end busts with brand name hobbyists! Play safe boys and girls! Just my two cents....hopefully practical and down to earth!

Wow bb, you really struck a nerve with this topic!  I think it's great to put it out there though.  I'm sorely going to miss the 30 minute RSG option, it's a great way to see if you gel with someone before doling out a lot more and not having such a great time.  To me and this is just me but a $300/hr rate is a bit high for me and will limit my encounters quite a bit, but say $150 every couple weeks isn't such a hard hit.

Luckily for me I've cultivated a few great connections with gals that do offer a lower rate.  It's a win win all around, she sees a gentleman that treats her with respect, someone she knows she can trust and who will see her on a regular basis.

Anyway, thanks for opening up this can of worms. Lol.  Oh and kindly no inquiries on my connections.

SK

Does not mean one is better than the other. We just have different preference and skill.

I personally would rather do one 12 hour engagement than 5 one hour ones and my pricing reflects my preference. Another lady could be exact opposite.

Beauty of this lifestyle is that there is someone out there who provides exactly what it is you are looking for.

15 minutes quickie? There are ladies who offer it.

week long engagement?  Once again, there are ladies who excel at those.  Key is to matching YOUR needs with the right girl.

LIna

Lina speaks sense:  Different girls may prefer different lengths of appointments.  If I had the $800 and the time for a 3-hour appointment, I'm sure those would be very enjoyable (with the right lady).  Since I don't have that kind of free time during the workday, I'm glad there are agencies and ladies that offer half-hour appointments as an option.  I would also guess that there are some ladies who may prefer the shorter appointments; I've met a few ladies myself who weren't very good or comfortable at small talk during an hour appointment, and when I've repeated with those ladies, a half-hour appointment is just the right length.  (Considering that the average sexual episode between a married couple is 1q7 minutes, a 30 minute appointment is downright leisurely.)  To each his or her own . . .

Another thing we need to consider here is discretion and other obligations in our "real lives".
I agree with everything you said Allyj; the only thing I might add to this is what some hobbyists don't realize is that some of us have other obligations (i.e. children) we need to secure child care around.
I personally have very reliable childcare, and am able to schedule with them on short notice if i need to... I prefer not to however.
If I have the option of scheduling an hour or half hour appointment, I would rather the hour appointment.
Financially, it doesn't make sense to take a half hour appointment for $125, drive 30-40 minutes, get all dolled up, pay $40-60 in a sitter and travel expenses... when I can take an hour appointment for $250.
It isn't easy to just get new clients... you have to advertise, screen, verify, check references... this is also time consuming.
Some may say, better to make something than nothing, but I agree with you Ally...
But in this industry, it's our rates and our ability to stand for ourselves that separate us from street walkers and a lady has the right to charge what she charges, the hobbyist has the right to decide he wants to pay it.

Thanks, Special K, for being one of the many who understood where I am coming from.  Thanks to all the PM's in support - evidently I'm far from the only guy who isn't rich enough to drop $250 all the time on an hourlong encounter.  There is clearly a market out there for ladies willing to offer 1/2-hour appointments at reasonable rates.  Commonsense suggests that at rates that are not reasonable, there will be fewer "takers" . . . fewer guys able and also willing to drop too much dinero on an admittedly somewhat rushed session.  If possible, who wouldn't prefer to pony up $20,000 for a night with Angelina Jolie (or whoever your type is)?  And what provider wouldn't prefer to be handed $5,000 to spend five hours with a single client, someone like One-Shot Otto?  That's the only reason I mused aloud on this Board whether it might not be mutually beneficial for some of this area's fine ladies to consider tempering their price increases in the interest of ginning up some more clients.  Again, to anyone who takes offense at such harmless brainstorming, I apologize but you should consider taking a chill pill instead of getting so irritated that anyone would dare to suggest that charging $190 for a half-hour of a person's company is somehow an insult to providers everywhere.  Fact is, you can walk into most any New England AMP and walk out massaged and fairly satisfied and fully stress-"relieved" for a single Benjamin.  Now, there are many ladies I'd prefer to see for a fuller service even at a much higher rate, but for me personally, when RSG upped the 1/2-hour rate from 125 to 150, I started asking myself whether, even for their  hotter, more reliable ladies, it was worth the money, travel time (often longer than the appointment itself), and hassle just to get my rocks off.  But as I said before, for any lady or fella who is offended by a bit of online musing, I'm not telling anyone what to do or what they should do, so go right ahead and charge $200 for a half-hour and for you guys who can obviously afford it, go right ahead and pay it.  I'm sure you'll both get your monies worth.  Sheesh!

Remember, a girl who can see 2-3 clients at 1hour+ in a day, versus 6-8 half hour appointments with all different clients, lots of which will be new, is going to be A LOT more eager and fresh regarding attitude and  energy level during her time with you.  Not to mention, seeing a ton of new people can be stressful, not knowing what his personality is going to be like (is this guy gonna be an ass), if there will be trouble, etc...

I also understand that some guys want to 'test out a girl' at a lower rate before he commits to spending the amount for the full hour.  I can't even count how many times I've heard almost those exact words.   That's sort of the point of reviews, I think.  I know some guys take this approach because they've had bad experiences.  Speaking for myself, I want to have a great time too and my 'friends' enjoy that about me and I know I mentally/physically just won't be there if you're fella #5 that day.  

If you know that those half hour lunchtime or after work appointments are your thing, get established with a girl and if you see her multiple times/become a regular, there's a chance she'll fit you in easily and at a reasonable rate.  That's the way I am anyway.  Just as you appreciate finding a girl who really fits what you like, we appreciate the same thing.  

FINDING A QUALITY CLIENT IS IMPORTANT TO US,  JUST AS FINDING A QUALITY GIRL IS TO YOU.

Well said, Whitney!  You're also one of those ladies whose stellar reputation precedes her, so I'm sure your regular clients must prefer hour appointments and, when you do allow half-hours, they must deeply regret not being able to enjoy a full 60 minutes with you (as I would).

As for whether half an hour is worth the trouble, I'd expect to spend the whole 30 minutes inthe shower, 15 minutes to get clean before contact with the lady, and another 15 minutes to clean up after orgasm, which itself would happen somewhere in the middle of the session.

Carnal - Especially for us hobbyists, that's not always true. If you check just a few of the posts, you find a fair amount of providers who charge 300 or more who wind up with awful reviews. Some of these ladies then go on to switch names, phones, and (phony) pictures.

So although your reputation may be stellar, I might find an unreviewed lady on a pay-for-it website and, based on her picture and based on her apparent friendliness on the phone, I go and visit her.

Once the dough-nation has been exchanged, or once the provider has begun providing her services, I may (and have) find out that it's the worst 300 I've ever spent. It's not like I can get a money-back guarantee, and it's not like all providers are always enthusiastic and fair-dealing. I and every other guy on TER could ONLY visit reviewed providers, but then no new providers would ever get reviewed, right?  

If what you're saying is, ladies who are charging a pittance, well there's a reason for that -- you get what you pay for; if it's too good to be true it probably isn't -- then I agree. I wouldn't call a provider who was asking 60 for a half-hour of her time, because I understand it wouldn't be worth it: either the provider would be utterly unlike her picture, or she'd try to rush me out in 5 minutes, or she would upsell bigtime ("you want topless? that's another $60"; "you want to touch me? another $60").  

So while it's true there's a reason that some ladies ask too little, it's not true that a lady who asks for 200 for a half-hour is going to provide good or excellent services. (Ladies from agencies like RSG tend to be more reliable, but not inevitably so.)  As a well-reviewed provider with a solid reputation, you can ask -- and deserve -- a higher fee.  

But assuming that a lady wants to "mix up" her appointments with a few half-hour sessions (as many, many ladies do), I have to say that by definition a half-hour appointment doesn't leave a provider much time to show off her skills in the first place, so assuming that (and it's an assumption, not me trying to tell anyone what to do) a lady is offering half-hour sessions to begin with, I was just proposing that a couple of such appointments at 125 or 140 each day is nothing to sneeze at, and I was just wondering -- not trying to tell anyone what to do -- whether charging the extra 25 per half-hour was worth it if it might ultimately dissuade a  client or two each day.  

Kate, I truly wish we all got what we paid for in this hobby, or that, as a hobbyist, I could get my money back if the provider turned out to be drugged out or indifferent.  That happened once, with a well-known local agency that knew about the problems with their employee and apologized after the appointment and even comped me a freebie.  But it happened only once.

Providers want money... that is why they are here, to work (good for them thank god they do this) shills want to suck up thats why they quickly agree that raising ones rate is a good thing and offering longer appointments is so smart. Regular hobbiest that review usually see a lady for 1 hour (richer ones for more time). RSG was an exception and as the economy slowed some $300 indy's went there to work. and yes Ally is right they definitely worked harder for the same or lower rate then before but probably made up for it with volume. i.e. like most self employed responsible people the did what they had to do. You wont convince this audience of the merits of a 1/2 hour appointment but your not totally wrong in asking. Perhaps using the private mail to someone on your radar would be a better way than getting into a debate with providers and their shills as to why the 1/2 hour is disappearing. I am sure some industrious Gent or lady will fill the void eventually but in this election year with this vague trafficking law the 1/2 hour at a hotel is probably reckless behavior. Or on the hand maybe my opinion is wrong and I should go F&*k myself!