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This reply has many parts. First I will address your concern for the provider you feel was over worked and is now a bitter person because of this line of work.

You say she is a mean bitter person and you feel it is because she was overworked and the service should have never allowed it.    We don't force anyone to work We are not holding a gun to their head, (although I have heard stories of Pimps who do that very thing). Trust me, if they don't want to come in to work that day, they won't (and instead of telling you they are tired, need a break etc. they will make up the craziest excuses because they don't want you to think that they are working too much.)   If you cut back on their hours, they freak out! They cry and think you don't like them anymore and want them to quit, they don't understand that what you are trying to do is actually in their best interest, most have such low esteems that they think you are punishing them. I give my girls time in between and let them choose how long, close to 50% of them  actually ask to please don't give them any time as they want to see as many as they can. I insist on at least 15 minutes but if I would let them, they would do back to back. I also ask them how long they would like for an afternoon break to eat. 90% tell me they don't want a break, they have snacks with them and they will eat in between. I have some local ladies who would work 6 days a week open till close every week if I would let them. They are only allowed to work 3-4 days, no more than that. Visiting girls are the exception, because they come here for a short time and want to make as much as they can while here. Visiting ladies are only allowed to stay 7-10 days, anymore they get burnt out. When I decided to close on Sundays my visiting girls freaked out, they did not want a day off, but have no choice since we are not open.  

If I do not keep these girls busy guess what? they will go elsewhere, someplace where they won't have a day off, they will be on 24 hours, they will have no breaks if possible. Or they will post ads on backpage and work all night long.  
I actually had a woman work with me for many years who paid her way through school to become a lawyer, she finished, then passed the bar and got a job as a working lawyer. I had to actually fire her! I tried and tried to explain to her the dangers of getting caught working as an escort. She would be throwing all her hard work away. She didn't get it. I tried to tell her that if she opened the door and the client was a judge she knew or opposing counsel  she would be throwing everything away. She just cried and said that I just didn't want her anymore! I loved her but I had to let her go for her own good. We do try to help them, but it doesn't sink in!

 If this provider you are speaking of became bitter from being overworked, it is her own fault NOT the fault of the service, trust me 3 days a week with one week off a month is not that much (unless the days are from early morning to late night). This girl was probably also working on her own during her off time. She is a big girl, if she thought she was overworked, she could have said something, she could have taken a break , quit or switched services, but she didn't.  

Now your concern about services not helping these girls. Do you work with a service? How do you know that they are not trying to help the girls? Here is a great example: Do you know how many times a day, everyday I remind the girls to make sure you get the donation? Guess what? they don't listen, it goes in one ear and out the other. At least twice a week a girl will call and ask me to call the client because they forgot to get the money. I had one lady who worked with me for 7 years and over that time, she forgot to get the money at least 40 times, if not more. ( she stopped telling and took it as a loss  because I would get upset with her for always doing this). She was not a kid and she was very intelligent but again just like little kids, they don't listen and always think they know better.   Helping them with their finances? Really? When I go to see them, they can't wait to show me their new Ipad or their 2,000. Louis Vuitton purse they bought. I ask them, "thats nice, but what about your rent, your car payment? They laugh and say "I am working tomorrow, I will pay it then."  I tell them to always make sure they pay taxes and if they need help let me know. They laugh at me, seriously they can't make their rent and I expect them to pay taxes? I tell them they should save their money because they can't do this forever, they say they are saving but I know they haven't saved a dime. I can talk to them and try to help them and give them guidance till I am blue in the face, if they don't listen or care there is nothing I can do about it.

Now "Services are the worst kind of Pimps" because they take a cut from the girls? What, you think we should work for free? Do you have any idea what we exactly do? How much we spend? How many hours we work?  
Let me explain and maybe you might change your views.  
First I will say my personal opinion a 50./50 split is not fair to the girls but a 60/40 is the norm and well deserved for all that we do. I do a 65/35 but that is because my rates are lower.

1. first off we need to recoup all the money we spend.:  Ads, memberships to TER, P-411-, Date Check. telephone bills ( with the volume we do, cells won't cover it we use special business lines). cell phone bills, web site costs, professional photo shoots, the girls flights and hotels, loss prevention, security, drivers, phone operators, office supplies, taxes.

 We also need to get paid for all of our work.I personally put in put in close to 60 hours a week if not more. I am on call 24/7 for these girls, my cell phone is ALWAYS on.
We do all the screening, answering of emails, answer all the phones, write and post all the ads, post pictures, update the website daily, secure flights and hotels, drive them around, book all calls and keep track of them, do customer service for the clients, keep the girls safe, provide references for indys and and other services. After being in business for many, many years we have a nice core of regular, very loyal clients that we share with the ladies, clients that would not normally be  accessible to them. Oh and don't forget we are also their therapists! We have to deal with all their drama, lying, crying, boyfriend,husband, and children issues. I am the one they call when they get into trouble. I go and get them in Boston when they lose their purse and car keys, I go and get them when they are running away from a bad situation. I go and try to sober them up when they have had too much to drink, I take them to rehab if needed and in a few cases I have paid for it out of my own pocket. I drive them to AA meetings since they lost their licence for a DUI.  

I see services portrayed on TV and Movies and I laugh. Madams driving around in Mercedes and Bentleys, living in giant mansions with pools and and housekeepers, wearing designer clothes, living the high life. Ya right, not the way it really is at all. (Well maybe it is for a service like Aphrodite who has 20-30 girls working a day all over the word) But for my little local service trust me, I am definitely not rolling around in the dough.

This is what I do for my 35% cut.  Trust me, we services deserve every cent and I am no way no how a pimp. I am a businesswoman who works  harder than most people I know.

Jill

 
****Oh and before all you Indys who read this and freak out about how the girls are and how you are not like them, YES I know. Indys and service girls are completely different! This is in no way how it is with responsible ladies who can do this on their own. I am talking about the girls who need a service because they couldn't do it on their own.****

Many on BP advertise they are independent but you know that they
have a "pimp" well...I guess today they are called handlers. LOL

Is there a difference in providers that are independent?
or
Pimps Vs. Agencies.

Your thoughts if any?

Throughout history women have been the Madames, or purveryor of the ladies.  
They were experienced in the biz and saw things from the womens' perspective.  
This is, I am sure, is still in existence.  But now, with wide spread methods of advertising...not just a phone and a list of ladies and screened clients...there is room for "outsiders"...ok, and you can bash me for this...MEN!  to exploit female labor.  I am not talking about human trafficking, we aren't going there!
Agencies run by men seem to be factories where the girls...young girls who don't know how to handle their business...are in hotel rooms turning volume, 5-6 guys a day.  
To me that is not an agency, that is a pimp.
And "regular" pimps are alive and well!!  Believe me, I just spent the winter in Vegas.  
Two of them got into a shoot out on the strip and killed a cab driver and his passenger.  

This is my 2 cents.  I am curious to see where this thread will go.  It's a good one.

I will explain this the best way I can,

1. Pimps: take ALL of the money and give nothing (not one red cent) to the girls, except a trip to the mall once a week to get their nails done and to maybe buy 1 new outfit (if they made their quota). Agencies get a cut but the bulk of the money goes to the girl.

2. Pimp: girls must make a quota and if they don't they usually get a beating. Agencies: The girl decides how many she wants to see and what days and hours she is available.

3. Pimps: bottom line is always the dollar, they don't screen, they could care less about the girls safety. Agencies: Screen and the ladies safety and well being is of the utmost importance.

4. Pimps: train their girls to scam clients, upsell, steal money if they can do it without getting caught, cash and dash etc. They also forbid GFE. (reason is that they consider the girls their property and only they can get the GFE treatment)  Agencies: most do not scam clients because that would ruin their business.

 
95% of pimps are males I did however know a woman who was a pimp (she took over when the guy went to jail).  90% of all agencies are run by women and almost all are ex providers, however there are some Male owners. Some are pimps in disguise and some are actually really good guys. ( example Sonny from VG is a great guy and definitely not a pimp)

Bottom line there is a huge difference.

Jill

Thank You Jill

I have heard great things about you. Thank you BTW.

Not sure all agencies are the same. I do feel some abuse ladies....
IE give them 15 minutes between dates and book them too much for a day.

I also find agencies are not real great in responding to questions. IE
I just sent Flirt an e-mail the other day to see if any lady was available in my area?

"Crickets"

Give Flirt the benefit of the doubt, services get a bunch of emails daily so maybe they haven't got to it yet. I know that my policy is to never give anyone information, especially in regards to locations via email, especially if they are not already a verified regular client. Safety first always.  

Jill

One time a couple of years ago, I was a little early for an outcall to an upscale hotel in Cambridge, so I was out front having a smoke before I went in. A young girl (19 or so) came outside for a smoke as well. We started chatting, and it was pretty evident that she was working. Then she started saying that her "daddy" would really like me, and that I should come with her to meet him. She said he was great, and let her keep $25 from each call she did... I explained to her that I actually ran an agency, and that my girls keep 75% of what they make. She was shocked. I was going to give her my number so I could try to get her out of that situation, but just then her "daddy" came out and started yelling at her and she ran back inside.

I've tried to help out a few girls who are in situations like that before, but sometimes it bites me in the ass. It can be hard to break them of their old bad habits, which often result in bad reviews which then impacts me as well. Sometimes they end up running back to their pimp after making some money and stealing a few clients. Sometimes they just end up finding a new pimp, some girls just seem to attract them. Sometimes they're just too far gone, and I have to let them go. I feel bad about it, but there's only so much I can do.  

I can't say I really understand why some girls feel they need a pimp, but I suspect it's somewhat related to the Stockholm Syndrome or the whole cult psychology thing.

it really depends on the person and the type service they want to run. If most services are run by women then most of the problems the men have with services are women run.  A close friend is a male who runs a service in the midwest and i always refer ladies to him because i know he will treat them very well. I just dont like generalizations  

Posted By: escalade1964
Many on BP advertise they are independent but you know that they  
 have a "pimp" well...I guess today they are called handlers. LOL  
   
 Is there a difference in providers that are independent?  
 or  
 Pimps Vs. Agencies.  
   
 Your thoughts if any?

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