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“Massachusetts law applies, there is no requirement for a Magistrate review of arrest.  If arrested, you are arraigned on the next court date and the case starts.  

         My friend, unless my geography is way off and Boston is in fact located in East Germany, the procedure you described would be unconstitutional. Our Constitution requires that a neutral judicial officer review any warrantless arrest shortly after the arrest to determine if there was probable cause for the arrest and, if not, the arrestee must be released.

       Fortunately, before seeking a writ of mandamus from the Supreme Court to have the entire Massachusetts warrantless arrest procedure declared unconstitutional, I looked at the criminal procedure rules to see if you were correct. It was no surprise to discover that Mass does indeed require a probable cause determination by  a neutral judicial officer within 24 hours of the arrest:



(a) No person shall be held in custody more than twenty-four hours following an arrest, absent exigent circumstances, unless:

 (i) a warrant or other judicial process authorizes the person's detention,

 (ii) a complaint has been authorized under Rule 3(g), or

 (iii) a determination of probable cause for detention has been made pursuant to subsection(b).

 (b) A determination of probable cause for detention shall be made by an appropriate judicial officer. The appropriate officer shall consider any information presented by the police, whether or not known at the time of arrest. The police shall present the information under oath or affirmation, or under the pains and penalties of perjury. The police may present the information orally, in person or by any other means, or in writing. If presented in writing, the information may be transmitted to the appropriate judicial officer by facsimile transmission or by
electronic mail or by such other electronic means as may be found acceptable by the court. The determination of probable cause for detention shall be an ex parte proceeding. The person arrested has no right to appear, either in person or by counsel.

 ….
 (f) If there is no probable cause to believe that the person arrested committed an offense, the judicial officer shall order the person's prompt release from custody.

Mass. R. Crim Pro. 3.1 (a)(b) & (f).

      The probable cause hearing is totally distinct from “the case” –i.e., the trial - itself and, indeed, the defendant is not even entitled to be present and evidence that could not be used at trial such as hearsay can be considered to determine probable cause.

     If a Rule 3(g) complaint is filed, the defendant likewise has the right to a probable cause hearing which is entirely separate from the trial itself.


      I never argue with Camille, so if she says they are arresting guys and gals just for showing up I believe her. But, if this is happening without a warrant, a neutral officer will review in 24 hours and order release unless a probable cause showing is made, unless your entire system is corrupt.

You also lost me with this statement:

"Upon arraignment, you have a record that cannot be expunged and can only be sealed under very limited circumstances (basically, the Virgin Mary has to squat and give birth to a tractor)."

     Dude, you are having a bad day. In fact, if there is a dismissal for no probable cause by the court, the record gets sealed as a matter of law. you do not even have to ask for it:


G.L.c. 276, § 100C. Sealing of records or files in certain criminal
cases; effect upon employment reports; enforcement.

 Section 100C. In any criminal case wherein the defendant has been found
not guilty by the court or jury, or a no bill has been returned by the grand jury, or A FINDING OF NO PROBABLE CAUSE HAS BEEN MADE BY THE COURT, the commissioner of probation shall seal said court appearance and disposition recorded in his flies [sic] and the clerk and the probation officers of the courts in which the proceedings occurred or were initiated shall likewise seal the records of the proceedings in their flies. The provisions of this paragraph shall not apply if the defendant makes a written request to the commissioner not to seal the records of
the proceedings.







Its like every couple of days there's a post about screening.  If the ladies screen, all the rants from guys here isn't going to change that.  If they don't screen, all the admonishments from the ladies isn't going to change that.

Related to that, a question.  When can a client or provider get busted?  All the research I have done indicates that there MUST be some discussion about sex for money.  If there is never mention of sex, is there anything illegal being done?  Please, no opinions.  I would like to hear from lawyers or those with the facts.

Sometimes you have to beat it long after it's dead in order to make it tender enough to swallow.  

Look at the post below.  Do you think those five women now wish that they had screened better?  Most of the screening posts and threads are easily identifiable.  If you don't want join in beating the poor, dead equine, then skip over.

Screening is essential.  Can't talk enough about it.




you will get responses that are confusing at best bc you have not distinguished between offenses.

          Engaging in sex for a fee, agreeing to engage in sex for a fee, or offering to engage in sex for a fee are  all distinct crimes in Massachusetts with distinct elements needed to convict. LE may arrest for any of these crimes without a warrant if the officer has “reasonable cause” to believe the defendant has committed those crimes.

         There is certainly no requirement that the defendant explicitly offer, or explicitly agree to pay for sex or provide sex, as a prerequisite for an arrest for any of these crimes, and strictly circumstantial evidence may always be used to arrest and convict.

       But this sort of begs the question since you are left wondering what other evidence could meet the reasonable cause standard. This would differ depending on which of the three crimes you are talking about.

        I’m going to address only the crimes of offering to engage in sex for a fee, and engaging in sex for a fee. If the arrest is for offering to engage in sex for a fee, I do not see how an officer could have reasonable  cause to make the arrest, unless there was some verbal, written, or other communication from the lady to the client, or to the world, from which an offer could be inferred. Somehow both sex and money, and sex for money, must be expressed in some way. They can’t arrest her for what she’s thinking.

       I don’t think a magistrate would find that the mere maintenance of a web site offering time for pay is an illegal offer, especially where the web site contains the “this is not an offer of prostitution” disclaimer.

      Many observers who contend, without qualification, that these disclaimers are worthless miss this point – the disclaimer should be effective to keep the web site alone from being treated as an illegal offer, unless the web site contains contradictory language or – and I have seen this from even the most articulate and loquacious lady on TER – if the lady makes a  post on the regional boards that can be construed to make such an explicit offer and links it to her web site. Not smart.

        So I think you are correct, for all practical purposes, that there must some discussion, or other communication about sex for money, if the crime is offering to provide sex for money.

      If the crime is engaging in sex for a fee, it is a completely different story. If officer learns that client has walked into a room, places in bathroom an envelope with money that just happens to match lady’s hourly fee, and lady and client have sex, he most certainly can arrest both of you even though no discussion of sex or money between the two of you ever took place. “Officer I was just paying for her time and she just happened to really like me” is not going to save you from arrest in this situation. The law penalizes what you do and not how you label it.

       But that’s just my view. You should consult a licensed Mass atty for a legal opinion.

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