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Well, I've officially lost my first client to this election...
Ernestine See my TER Reviews 2349 reads
posted
1 / 21
Well, I've officially lost my first client to this election...

Has anyone else had this experience? During a session, a phrase was quoted from a certain recently leaked film, and...things went downhill.

I'm worried that the same thing that has happened to minority groups--i.e., the normalization of acting on stigma--will now happen to women. This experience seemed a clear case of that: the normalization of (moderate) sexual abuse because *he* said it was ok.  

Liberal or conservative, may we all be aware of how events are affecting our consciousness and how we treat others.

xo,
E

nothrofboston 24 Reviews 392 reads
posted
2 / 21
I'm hoping that's all you lost ...

violence, rudeness and disrespect have become all too common place  
and accepted by many as "that's the way it is nowadays". Hope your well.

You can always find another... AND BETTER ... client.

bostonint See Agency Profile 416 reads
posted
3 / 21
what a winner. that jerk didn't deserve your time no matter how much he paid.


END OF MESSAGE

papidog 74 Reviews 395 reads
posted
4 / 21
I blame the victim

You here to make $ or find romance? politics is the first and best way to destroy any business that involves sales. Unless you are super busy or super idealistic ( in which case you are surely in the wrong profession) you should correct him nicely or ignore the comment and have a good session, surely if you had seen him before you had more in common than just this difference of opinion. for $450 he will find another girl just as fun or pretty or sexy etc... you lost and all the people trying to soften the blow or back you up are doing you no favor.. Not saying he was right or you were wrong but it probably didny have to be a "lost a client" dealbreaker seeing how much time you ladies put into posting and modeling and advertising makes me wonder why you can be goaded into a poor decisio

nothrofboston 24 Reviews 311 reads
posted
5 / 21
Wrong. There are several ways ...

a session can go south. It can be perpetuated by either the escort, client or both. I'm guessing his attitude was more influential than his political position. Then again, I'm sure we've all been turned off by someone once they opened their mouth. Even you.  

And how do you know exactly what he said or did to influence the session and Ernestine's decision. Noted that I don't KNOW either.  

In this case, fuck him. Actually, dont fuck him. You make the bed you sleep in. She probably wouldn't see him again regardless, but she'd have to answer that.  

Also note that I can only respond to one side of the story  But I've gotten a glimpse of the reference point in her OP and find him to be a pig. And coming from within this community, I understand a man's desire for as much sex as he can afford. I'll bet the chump rips off his hookers like he does people that have done work for him.

-- Modified on 10/13/2016 12:21:46 AM

Blantor 7 Reviews 298 reads
posted
6 / 21
What is locker room talk?

I'm sure all guys and gals have at some point said, "I'd like to _____ with that person." Combine that with the idea---IDEA---but confusing reality that some women like dominant men. Whatever dominant means. Plus 50 Shades of Grey. Plus Cosmo and GQ articles about rough sex.... Toxic combo for people (men, mainly) who are socially unsure.

Some men are very forward with women they've newly met. And it comes off fine. Other men see that and try the same thing. They come off as creepy. Life is not fair to those guys, I guess.

Something is wrong, and I think it is a cultural problem. Yet, I can't pinpoint the solution. I feel sorry for those confused guys. They don't know. They see what apparently (underscore) works for another guy, but it doesn't work for them.

I once briefly met a women at a bar and said I wanted to take her back to my place. We did, 10 minutes later. But, you have to have the right energy about it. I know guys who might have courage to try but would instead come off as creepy. I do not know why. I only know that it is a cultural problem.

Have compassion for these confused guys. But, if they do not listen, then you have to do what you have to do

bostonint See Agency Profile 321 reads
posted
7 / 21
Re: What is locker room talk?

All of this is true. I also think that the onus is on guys to learn to respect their female peers and treat all humans equally. If nothing else, you'll get some amazing sessions because nothing is sexier than mutual respect. And boobs. (Source: am a guy, working for some hot and strong women).

Posted By: Blantor
I'm sure all guys and gals have at some point said, "I'd like to _____ with that person." Combine that with the idea---IDEA---but confusing reality that some women like dominant men. Whatever dominant means. Plus 50 Shades of Grey. Plus Cosmo and GQ articles about rough sex.... Toxic combo for people (men, mainly) who are socially unsure.  
   
 Some men are very forward with women they've newly met. And it comes off fine. Other men see that and try the same thing. They come off as creepy. Life is not fair to those guys, I guess.  
   
 Something is wrong, and I think it is a cultural problem. Yet, I can't pinpoint the solution. I feel sorry for those confused guys. They don't know. They see what apparently (underscore) works for another guy, but it doesn't work for them.  
   
 I once briefly met a women at a bar and said I wanted to take her back to my place. We did, 10 minutes later. But, you have to have the right energy about it. I know guys who might have courage to try but would instead come off as creepy. I do not know why. I only know that it is a cultural problem.  
   
 Have compassion for these confused guys. But, if they do not listen, then you have to do what you have to do.  
   
 

nothrofboston 24 Reviews 224 reads
posted
8 / 21
+1 in regard to respect +++++++ NICE

I'm very sexual ... beyond liking sex and fucking... BUT  
what works best for me is, excuse the word, being NICE  
to the woman I meet here and IRL. Not that others aren't,
but nice as in civil and gentlemanly... most people
appreciate that IRL and with p4p.  

What has erupted during this political season is anything  
but nice. People need to relearn how to be nice to others.
I leave it right there. No rant... no lecture

StoneColdFox See my TER Reviews 371 reads
posted
9 / 21
Re: I blame the victim

You do make some very good points and I completely agree with you that politics should stay out of the bedroom but I think to point the finger directly without additional info is a bit unfair. IMO.  

Posted By: papidog
You here to make $ or find romance? politics is the first and best way to destroy any business that involves sales. Unless you are super busy or super idealistic ( in which case you are surely in the wrong profession) you should correct him nicely or ignore the comment and have a good session, surely if you had seen him before you had more in common than just this difference of opinion. for $450 he will find another girl just as fun or pretty or sexy etc... you lost and all the people trying to soften the blow or back you up are doing you no favor.. Not saying he was right or you were wrong but it probably didny have to be a "lost a client" dealbreaker seeing how much time you ladies put into posting and modeling and advertising makes me wonder why you can be goaded into a poor decision  
 

jack8888 10 Reviews 226 reads
posted
10 / 21
Be firm

Key word here is 'consent'. Every woman has a basic right to decide with whom and when they want to be intimate.  

Ladies. Unfortunately, some men can be big, intimidating, or feeling entitled. But never stay silent. If they are crossing a line, tell them. 'stop harassing me'. 'you are assaulting me'. Many of you are strong and smart.  But all of you have the right to speak up and make clear what is not acceptable

impposter 49 Reviews 196 reads
posted
11 / 21
Re: What is locker room talk?

Where I am, it isn't unusual to talk about the basket of deplorable Presidential choices in this election

papidog 74 Reviews 313 reads
posted
12 / 21
Re: I blame the victim

I was not trying to blame the provider or defend the client but I can tell you first hand these opinions should be shared with friends and family not clients. I cancelled a $400 hour because of the providers polticking on ter I not only disagreed with her politically which I'd have a 54% chance of anyway, I found her stupid to alienate her base clientele after posting her socialist babble. and after traveling and paying a room and hotel then she post she had a bad trip and may not visit Boston again? It's you not us.  
American values are freedom so everyone is free to sabotage their wallet and if they do god bless

Ernestine See my TER Reviews 443 reads
posted
13 / 21
I'm amazed. Ladies, please blacklist this fella.

The amount of presumption in your reply is astonishing. In this case, this was a long-time regular. We were both perfectly aware that our views differ and I never bring up politics with a client unless I'm certain we're in agreement. He and I had previously avoided talking about politics.  

In this case, the client repeated a rape joke during... There was no prompting on my part. The only thing coming out of my mouth was moaning. I let it slide and laughed it off in the moment, but woke up the next day feeling somewhat violated, and as he professes to care about me, I let him know that I would prefer he didn't do that in future. At which point he severed our connection.

I'm amazed I have to spell this out in order to dispel the insults you have directed at me and providers in general. I would guess that the vast majority of us avoid talking politics with clients as simply good business practice. I certainly do.  

Do not EVER presume to know what it is like to be a woman in this world, especially a woman in this work.

Ernestine See my TER Reviews 278 reads
posted
14 / 21
Thank you for all the compassion expressed here.

It is much appreciated. All I wanted to do was to start a dialogue on how political events affect behavior.  

xo,
E

Nnoway 13 Reviews 261 reads
posted
15 / 21
I think you can talk politics if you wish as long as...

...you're not aggressive about it and understand that if you happen to have differences of opinion with a lady in that regard it doesn't mean that she is "just stupid" (I hear a lot of it from both sides in reference to the other).  

On the other hand if you start using with her the language and the manners you'd hear and see on the campaign trail and call people on the other side (to which she may belong) idiots you should expect a push back, and it's your fault.  

On the other hand ladies many customers feel that they are always right so if you can make yourself just nod in agreement - do.  
On the other hand if his views and/or behavior turns you off to the extent that you'd be fine with losing him as a client then after all it's your business who is to tell you how to act.  

I wonder if there is a monger out there who wrote a bad review of session going sour due to political disagreements. If there is, as a supporter of death penalty, I'm for throwing him off the cliff. :)

Nnoway 13 Reviews 171 reads
posted
16 / 21
Wow... I'm speechless. -eom-


END OF MESSAGE

mrfisher 115 Reviews 243 reads
posted
17 / 21
I don't see what the problem is....

I'm a liberal democrat, and I love giving Republicans a good fucking!  8o)

But seriously....

 
It is such a shame that people can no long have a civil conversation about politics without it becoming so personal that we make enemies out of them.  

I have a couple of gals whom I see who are more of the Republican bent, and if we do discuss politics (And we don't make a habit of it.) I try to always find areas where we can agree, and leave the other others as things we agree to disagree on

MatureGFE See my TER Reviews 400 reads
posted
18 / 21
I've had to shut a few down after asking nicely the first time...

It was getting on my last nerve and I must have been too gentle the first time I said "Let's not talk about politics or religion  I'm trying to show you a great time". when it starts back up I have to they "the look"  and say KNOCK IT OFF before my kitty dries up and can't be revived"! That shut down the political talk completely, lol.  

We then preceded to have a great time together. Were the comments made still in the back of my head-yep. I didn't want to have to fire them as a clients over this election. I know it's hard sometimes. Now if someone said something vile about women in general that angered me to the point of not being able to show them a great time ten Id have to let them go because I would no longer to give them the best of me anymore.

Steph xox

Archie123 294 reads
posted
19 / 21
Correct me if I am wrong

didn't you recently come out and rant about a provider that had a political view that you disagreed with? Can't remember enough about it but I remember it caused a riot.

Posted By: papidog
I was not trying to blame the provider or defend the client but I can tell you first hand these opinions should be shared with friends and family not clients. I cancelled a $400 hour because of the providers polticking on ter I not only disagreed with her politically which I'd have a 54% chance of anyway, I found her stupid to alienate her base clientele after posting her socialist babble. and after traveling and paying a room and hotel then she post she had a bad trip and may not visit Boston again? It's you not us.  
 American values are freedom so everyone is free to sabotage their wallet and if they do god bless

Kingkong 6 Reviews 270 reads
posted
20 / 21
Revenge

The best revenge is to be unlike him who caused the harm
Marcus Aurelius

Posted By: Ernestine
Has anyone else had this experience? During a session, a phrase was quoted from a certain recently leaked film, and...things went downhill.  
   
 I'm worried that the same thing that has happened to minority groups--i.e., the normalization of acting on stigma--will now happen to women. This experience seemed a clear case of that: the normalization of (moderate) sexual abuse because *he* said it was ok.  
   
 Liberal or conservative, may we all be aware of how events are affecting our consciousness and how we treat others.  
   
 xo,  
 E

Ernestine See my TER Reviews 167 reads
posted
21 / 21
This isn't about inter-party harmony. It's about normalization of abusive speech toward women. Eom

Posted By: mrfisher
I'm a liberal democrat, and I love giving Republicans a good fucking!  8o)  
   
 But seriously....  
   
   
 It is such a shame that people can no long have a civil conversation about politics without it becoming so personal that we make enemies out of them.    
   
 I have a couple of gals whom I see who are more of the Republican bent, and if we do discuss politics (And we don't make a habit of it.) I try to always find areas where we can agree, and leave the other others as things we agree to disagree on.    
   
 

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