I am so frustrated!!! I had several calls today from prospective clients wanting to make appointments and they wouldn't give me any information to verify them.  I don't understand this.  Doesn't anyone appreciate the fact that I am intelligent enough to care about my safety???  Hobbyists, putting yourself in my shoes for a minute, would you really want to see a client that doesn't even want to give you his last name?  It's not like I'm asking for a social security number or a credit report or even a friggin' criminal background check..... just a few personal questions!!!!!  ARGH!!!!!  

Sorry, needed to VENT!!!!!!!!!!!!

-- Modified on 2/4/2003 11:29:39 PM

I'm right there with ya, GF ... I *turn away* more biz than I get b/c of guys who won't give me their last names or whatever. I see their side, they want discretion, they don't want me calling their home and alerting their wives to their extra-curricular activities ... but, why would I do something like that?? This is my livelihood, and calling someone's home or wife would be like me saying "hey, call in a complaint on me and put me out of business!" I don't keep records either. That's why some guys might get screened twice when they call me, if I forget who they are!

The guys need to understand, most of us don't ride around with armed security, and why would I meet someone who I only know as, for example, "Joe"?? He could be violent, he could have beat up another girl last week, how would *I* know that?? Or, just as bad, he could be carrying handcuffs on him ... and NOT for role-playing purposes!!!

I understand completely, if the guy cant make you feel comfortable with who he is, you would be crazy to risk your safety and freedom.  Anyone that does not understand that must not watch or read the news every night.  Stay safe.  I would also add, it would be nice if all providers would help out other providers by responding to requests for verification on a client.  There are those out there, who insist on verification, but are in no big hurry to do the same when asked.  No one belongs to anyone, cant we all just get along

whats the big deal????
I can't see having sex with someone if you are at
least not willing to share your name. In fact the more
you share the better the time. It seems to me the only
reason you would not want to reveal your name is if
you had something sinister in mind.
my 2 cents
take care

Customers worry about security too, alas.

Here is a big what-if:

1) What if there were a service that customers could register with, that would act as a referral service for providers? This would allow customers to preserve their privacy while giving providers the assurance of a referral... without going into the details of how this would work, would this generally be of interest to providers? to customers?

2) What if this same service would allow providers to accept credit card payments through a kind of escrow service... so that customers would not have to give the numbers directly to the provider? (possibly through a credit system of some kind) The card would be billed in some innocuous fashion, again appealing to customers. THe typical provider could benefit greatly because sales of large ticket items (ie escort sessions) tend to increase greatly when they can be bought on credit. Finally, what if this company could set up an offshore account that the provider could access online? Interesting?

3) Finally, what if this same service, when enough providers were participating, could offer bulk rates on health insurance, maybe legal insurance, etc?

I have been toying around with some of these ideas from a customer standpoint, and would be interested in hearing from providers on the same issue.

So:

Customer gets: anonymity, credit use?
Provider gets: security, more business, benefits?

O.

Jaclyn's screening is pretty basic, and it's easy to see why she and the other gals that are making our lives much more fun require it. I've never had any heartburn in answering their questions, in fact I make it a point to tell them up front that I understand why she's asking, offer more info than she requests, and try to keep it light and fun. Tell you a secret guys, the more relaxed and comfortable the ladies are, the more fun you have!!

So my question, have any guys actually been burned by giving personal details...but I'm only asking about providers that the guy has also already verified as legit through either reviews or references...in my opinion any guy that doesn't do this these days is missing the boat.

Those are all awesome ideas, but they are a long time in coming!!!  There are "verification" services all over the Net.... I get offers from them at least once or twice a week!!!  While I have a great time doing my work, this is my primary source of income, so therefore, I want to keep my overhead low.  I would absolutely love to have a sort of cooperative with girls so that we can all process credit cards through one merchant account... no agency fees, just transaction fees that the credit card companies charge.  FYI:  The reason why credit card services cost more than cash services in this industry IS the transaction fees.  It has been my experience that most providers don't want to have a cooperative that furnishes credit card billing, health insurance, legal insurance, verification, and etc because a)most of us paid a hefty price for our independence and we don't want to sacrifice even a piece of it and it sounds too much like an agency and b)most providers are very picky about allowing other providers to know who they are.....

Food for thought!!!!

Jaclyn

Thank you everyone for your overwhelming support of the verification process.  The hobbyists who have voiced their opinion here clearly understand the dangers and risks that providers take everyday.... I appreciate that.  I LOVE YOU ALL!!! *sniff*

Jaclyn



-- Modified on 2/5/2003 3:54:07 PM

It sounds like you have the right attitude and you're so absolutely correct that the more comfortable I, as a provider, feel with you, the better experience we're both going to have!!!!!  

Jaclyn

I think there are screening services like this, like roomservice2000, but I heard that LE has even managed to crack into THOSE!! I do feel better doing my own screening, even tho it can be a headache, but at least I get somewhat of a feel for the guy before I see him and it's not totally anonymous!!

It makes me feel all warm inside to know you guys UNDERSTAND why we screen!!! And to think I was getting all upset and burned out a few days ago!

xoxo
Kristee

I had a provider call me at work and leave a message that she will be availble that night after 10. How's THAT for being inconsiderate? I felt like an idiot! NEVER AGAIN will I give out any personal info. Fortunately now I have several references.

I had providers do some pretty strange things.  Call backs were the worst.  My first few months in, I made a lot of "exploring" calls.  Once, I called exploring and the provider was not there.  She did not answer.  I didn't want to leave a message so I didn't.  About an hour later this girl calls (she had captured my number) left a message for the guy who called for an escort--yes, she is available.  That message was exposed to a few people close to me.  Whether or not I got burned would have depended on who got the message first.  Lucky for me it was me.  I learned a good lession that day.  Lessons come fast in the beginning.  Now I have strategies for exploring calls.  It started out with pay phones--secured emails are great!  

The professional providers, you know the good ones--consistent high marks--the talented ones, there is never any type of problem in this area.

Good point-
I've also had those return calls. In fact in a couple cases I got the impression that it was the providers standard practice: don't answer the call, capture number, call back. Yup, not a good way to go.

I also agree with you that the independent pros, particularly those that are good with e-mails, don't add this hassle. But hopefully they will take note and spread the word that this is unacceptable.

From a hobbyist's pov, I would really be concerned about your central db being compromised.

What if......the hobbyist provides all information required by the provider as she requests , as some have donewith some providers , and the provider recommends that he not see her b/c they know what type of providers he likes to see and possibly would then fear a poor or below-average review? I think this happens alot more than people would like to admit.

I like to read someone's reviews before I see them so that I know what to expect and what they enjoy.  If I see a service that I don't offer that keeps coming up in most of the reviews that a hobbyist has posted, then I most likely will tell that person that I don't think we're compatible and recommend someone else.

Example: If a hobbyist calls me for an appointment and gives me his screen name along with other verification information, I can do a search to see what reviews he has posted.  I may notice in the reviews that he enjoys bbbjtc which is a service I don't offer and don't pretend to offer... none of my reviews say this.  I also notice that if the client doesn't get a bbbjtc, but just a bbbj, then he gives a bad review and says that she doesn't deliver.  I would tell that hobbyist that I don't think that we're compatible and ask him to see another provider and would even recommend one.  

I would not refuse service to this person simply because I'm afraid of getting a bad review, but more importantly because he would not be getting a service from me that he clearly enjoys.  I, in no way, shape, or form, want to mislead anyone that I provide a certain service when I do not, however, I don't talk or write about such details with any new friends.  Also, I might add that to give someone a bad review saying they don't "deliver" just because they provide a bbbj, but not tc is unfair and I would not want my services to be scrutinized in such a fashion.



-- Modified on 2/6/2003 9:16:27 PM

.....and that's the way it should be. I review providers on the quality of services they provide , not a lack of services.Ciao!!!

Do you think the Molly /Layla team would use info to self serve if they came across some dumb guy that was financially well off but just shared a little too much info with them? Maybe threaten to call wife or someone? 99% of the providers would not even think of this ....but also on the other hand 99% of Hobbiest are not violent either. It's just bad when the 1% on either side strike. Thats why YOU have to check and WE have to not share more than need be.

I've had blackmail tried on me.  It's not fun to go through.  If a provider cannot accept good verifiable referenes and insist on personal info I move on.  It's not worth the possible exposure.