Out of the three gals in question, One of them only increased her rate by 50.00, which is nothing.

But the other two gals left me totally scratching my head, I'm not implying that their body isn't worth more than it was a couple weeks ago, but from 250.00 to 400.00 and 250.00 to 500 Really?

So lets cut one of those ladies some slack, as I saw nothing wrong with her rate increase!

Just my 0.02

Although I rarely pay the the rarified rates that some indies, (and agencies) command, the girls don't "owe" us anything. It's a business, if her phone stills rings despite the higher rate than she has made the right decision, if not than she always has the option to reduce her rates to a price that guys are willing to pay.

Not to be a white knight, but this whole business of carping about high rates smacks of sour grapes to me. We live in a free market and if someone thinks their pussy (excuse me, their time) is worth a certain amount of money, they have every right to ask for that rate. Of course as consumers, the guys also have the right to say no. IMO the guys have no more right to bitch about high prices than the girls do cheap guys. Just like everything else in a free market, it all works itself out in the end. No reason for anyone to get their panties all in a wad.

The OP did not name names so I'm definitely not going to.

But I felt the need to defend one of the rate increases that the OP mentioned, because it was only increased by 50.00, which I thought was reasonable.

Like Gambler and xy23 stated providers have the right to charge what ever they want, If the hobby market allows them to do so.  

Once the Debt Ceiling passes and the economy improves, maybe there will be less b******* about rates.

Ok, I usually rarely post any more here because there always seems to be someone who just wants to rag on some or anyone for the hell of it, but in this case I look at one of if not the most important issue for a guy here: what is it worth to him to spend an hour or more with any of the ladies he sees advertising her talents, etc here, there and everywhere in the ATL?  

I am of the sort that if you are used to paying a certain amount of money for certain ladies services at an agency, and she goes indie, why not just not ask her if you would be 'grandfathered' in at the previous rate. Or, if an indie did the same thing, the same question applies; or as listed here, some ladies have mentioned it to their 'regulars' that they will continue to pay the older rate because they are a good, returning customer.  

SO, if any of these 3 ladies is on your regular 'to do', why not just ask them if you would be eligible for your previous rate. If she says yes, then goody for you and her, as you would both be happy--she keeps a regular customer, you keep a regular lady. If not, then politely mention it to her that you may not be able to see her as often, or maybe not at all because of the rate increase. The decision to continue with each other is both of yours.

You never know till you ask.

Play nice, kids.  

recently there have been 3 women that have left good agencies to go independant and raise their rates by 50-75 dollars. Don't understand that move in this economy, against the backdrop of several long time independants that have gone to agencies. No reason to name names if you follow the Board you know the names.

Weeding out clients who quibble over 50-75 dollars is better for business.

Well, no doubt this is going to stir up the usual none of your business arguments from some girls and of course the schills, but despite all that, I've noticed it too.  And, to be brutily honest, it irritates the crap out of me because it's like a slap in the face.  Guys give them accolades for their services in effect building them up in the eyes of the local market.  You know, helping them to gain the fame that eventually may give them choices.  Sometimes they get to be the object of the board, if only briefly.  Then they vanish from the agencies and show up sometimes with new names, and of course the required announcements, "hey look at me I'm indy now like it's a badge of honor".  Then you see the fine print, or not so fine print, with higher rates.  Nobody has to accept the way I sometimes feel about this, and I don't have to indulge in the new found indy's with their new found rates, and of course they can tell me to fuck off.   Afterall, it's a game and sometimes the only way to win is not to play.... LOL

If you're that upset about ladies raising their rates, then you've become far too emotionally involved in all of this. Sounds like you've stopped enjoying this hobby for the luxury that it is and turned it into a social crutch. So you gave a lady a compliment on a local bulletin board and it got her the attention of other horny ass guys with cash to spend. Big fucking deal. I'm sure that took so much effort on your part to post a story about an amazing orgasm you had with a pretty girl. LMAO. You think that earns you some sort of special treatment? To do the shit that all of us assholes do in this country whenever more than 2 of us get together and start pounding beers?

These agencies and indies here generally charge peanuts to begin with. It's pretty damn ridiculous when guys start whining about a 50 or 100 dollar increase in rates. It's recreation. Not bread and water. If it's too much for you to pay for, stop bitching and go out and get laid the traditional way. It still works.  

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You've definitely developed an undeserved sense that these ladies owe you something.  How hard was it to "give them accolades for their services?"  Don't you get something in return for sharing information on a forum of other guys with information to share?  It's not exactly a sacrifice.  Unless I'm missing something here and you've done other things to build them up.  Did you also place paid ads for them?  Did you pay a professional photographer to take their photos?  Did you provide them with an incall in your home?  Do you drive them to appointments?  Do you screen for them?  If all you did was make an appointment for mind blowing sex, and you got mind blowing sex, their obligation to you is over until you schedule again.  And if scheduling again means paying more, then either pay more, or find someone else that charges what you can afford.  Your complaint as presented here, however, doesn't have merit.

EXACTLY!  Well said!

I don't understand the problem.  Atlanta is chest deep in cheap pussy.  If one or two hookers jump to the tall cotton, let them go.  Some new guy will come along and pay their fare.  The regulars will most likely keep to the low cost agencies and see this week's fresh meat.  Unless you're looking for love, I don't see the problem.  If it's love you're after, this is completely the wrong place to shop.

Most of the time when I see an indie that I saw as an agency lady they give me a grandfathered rate for a while. Good for them and good for me. If they eventually move beyond my budget then I stop seeing them or I do it less often.

I think it may be interesting to note that some ladies have moved from agency to indie but I agree with GaGambler. Why get all in a dither about it? Whatever their reason it's their reason. Pay their increase or not. Lament that you may not be able to see them any more but wish them well and move on. I usually say, good for them, when ladies move into business for themselves. It's what our economic system is all about. Granted it may not have been their choice to leave the agency but that's none of my business and it's highly unlikely that I would be privy to that information anyway which leads me back to... I say "good for them" when I hear they are now in business for themselves.

what a lady charges for her time....it's a free market.  You buy a t-shirt made in China because it's cheaper than one made in the USA.  Why?....because your cheap.  You don't like the rate some lady charges..BFD..look elsewhere.

Posted rates represent retail for an offering based upon what the seller desires to cover operating cost, time, and risk.

In services, volume and price economics is a delicate balance.  Will you accept a lower rate for a client that is flexible to your requirements, let's you supplement your schedule, improves your franchise perceived market worth, and who will discretely protect your franchise market price point?

The answers obviously are it depends.

If your volume is fully consumed and your revenue, reputation, and risk profiles are at a point that you like, then it is no.
If you trust the potential client, think the new client could become an annuity type relationship, etc then the answer is maybe yes

My experience guys is be mature, confident, open and attempt an adult conversation.

 If you just call up, whine about the cost and beg, well at best you will get is a "No, but thanks for inquirying.", most
likely you will get dial tone.

However, if you create a reasonable offer, package it in a way she can see the win win or rationalize the value prop, and you have decent reputation for treating women correctly, then you may find an opportunity unexpected.  For instance, some agencies appreciate a volume commitment.  some indies will be rate flexible if you agree to longer sessions,
schedule off demand, or agree to accept rescheduling within x hours of schedule if she has full value pop up.

The most important thing we as the customer must remember - KEEP YOUR GOD DAMN MOUTH SHUT IF SHE CUTS YOU A DEAL.

Second key point.  No means No.  She is not xxxxxx or any other favotite expression.  Just accept that for her or the
agency the rule in question is firm

And ladies, there is a key rule for you as well.  If you accept a negotiated rate, it is NOT an excuse for substandard service.

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It seemed like a perfectly reasonable response for someone who is independent and willingly to put forth the effort to run their own business.

It's not personal when rates get raised on the ladies end.

It's also not personal if you choose not to see the lady who has raised their rates.

It's easy to get that confused when the commodity is sex for everyone.

Sir C

Atlanta has great ladies both independent and agency with varying prices. Lots of reasons for different pricing scales between indy's and agencies. I agree with GaGambler. The market will ultimately determine the winners and losers. Your choice to pay or not. Why complain?

Its recreation, exactly the point PW is trying to make. On the other hand, WTF are you rambling about?

Indy, agency, courtesan or whatever adjectives you want call yourself, there is price point I will not cross in this hobby.

Don't really care how much you charge and call yourself, and which photgrpher you use and how much you pay to make yourselves look good.

There are rules grown up men live by.

My post should be back up soon.  I had a bad iPad typo to fix.

Here is the one question I personally have mixed feelings on.  Not really sure I handle it correctly

Take your own site as reference.  You have made it explicitly clear, no negotiations ever.  If a gentleman can't afford your rate, do not bother asking.

In these circumstances, I tend to move on, not bother to ask or make attempt.  Is this a mistake?

Most premium rate ladies have some form of don't bother me with rate request, and I have no problem tactfully ignoring those.  Hell it never hurts to ask right.  But your site FAQ is beyond that, and I try to respect ladies wishes and preserve my own ego by never asking.

Would love to hear your opinion but recommend you not post anything hopeful here because the rate trolls will swamp you

The point PW was trying to make is that indies raising rates gets him "irritated."  It was stated rather clearly in his response to the OP.

When I worked with agencies I was so unhappy.  It was a great a learning experience and I did have some fun times and experiences with the gents, but having no control of who walked through the door, to worrying about the constant traffic coming in the apartment and the neighbors calling the cops on a regular basis.  I hated seeing 4 guys a day.  I could obviously say "No" I'm tired but then you would be considered less of and with the 60/40 cut you had to see at least 4 or 5 to make any money, and they were back to back to back.  When I became independant and started doing my own screening I felt free and fucking enjoy the hell out of what I do NOW!!  I enjoy taking the time to get ready for my dates now and making it a special experience.  I love being able to go way over the hour bc I dont have someone waiting outside in his car or another girl needs the room.  I charge a higher price b/c  I take pride in myself and there is demand.  Just wanted to get that out there.  Thanks

There's something for everyone's taste. If you only have enough cash for a cheap beer, then you have to deal with that. But if you have enough for top shelf, then your choices are endless. You can either buy the top shelf drink, or go for something you enjoy that's of lesser cost. Personally, I'm much closer to the latter than the former, as I'm sure most of us are.

My favorite drink is a Jack and Coke (not the most sophisticated, but it works for me). When I walk into a bar, I order my J&C and pay whatever it is I'm told to pay (unless it's some stratospheric number that makes no sense). It doesn't matter to me, that's what I want.

I apply the same principle to the hobby. If there's a girl I like and want to see, I'm going to pay her rate, regardless of what she's asking for. You're not buying a new car, you shouldn't need to haggle.

As has been mentioned before, this is recreation. If you have to penny-pinch, it might not be the best hobby for you to have. But if you have a seemingly insatiable thirst for the hobby but you have to fret about a few dollars here and there, I'd suggest going with a cheap beer (read: low-rent BP girl).

However, if you can manage it and if you REALLY want to see these girls, pay them what they ask. It's simple. Drink up.

Looking at your reviews, I will say you have great taste in woman.

and I am as likely to tip an indy for exceptional service as I am an agency girl.

I also tip bar owners if they happen to be the bartender as well. Lets face it, a bar owner who is still tending bar probably isn't getting rich from his/her business and most likely appreciates the tips everybit as much as any other bartender, and if he is getting rich as a bar owner and still bartending, my bet is that if he will probably buy as many drinks for his customers as the other way around. That is if he truly knows how to run a bar at least.

so yeah, IMO you are completely wrong on that. Never feek obligated to leave a tip, I only do so when it makes me (and her) happy to do so. I don't get a bit of pleasure giving a tip that's "expected"

but seriously, I have seen many "nasty" posts in my time here, I even maybe made one or two. lol
Your post barely makes a blip on the "nasty meter"

Of course a "cat fight" could be entertaining, what say the mods??? lmao

Why not just stick to wanking it !

Tou may be surprised to know some of the andles here.  LOL    Surely you did know not to bring up a rate question.  RITFLMAO   No I am not PWilly  LOL  But I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express last week.    JimmyPW  AtlMeetingOrg

It's a free country pwilley, so it can be about you, and you only.  I have no problem with your complaint and am appreciative of your honest opinion.  The market does NOT care about the cost of a provider's sheets, hotel room, etc.  The market cares about it's budget and perceived value for the dollar....period.  If a high end provider provides perceived value, I will continue to see that provider.  If not, then I have toftt and will never see her again.  The provider is a transaction, no more, no less, for my pleasure paid for with my money.

It is called free enterprise, open competition. the American way!!!
The providers can chosse to creatre their own value and you can chosse to use their services or someone elses.  No one can stop hobbyist from chaning jobs or starting their own companies or going to agencies only.
I saw if a provider can go independent it is her choice and best of luck.  Competition is always a good thing.
Like they say if it is good for the goose it is good for the candor.

I don't really see the big deal with this, I know providers that work for multple agencies at the same time and work independentently as well.  The agency must know it because the providers pictures are up at multiple agencies  at the same time.  While this provider was working at multiple agencies at the same time she also had her own indey site and was working as a indy.  
I don't have a problem with this it is kind of like the provider was a subconractor to the agencies and was  working there when she had additional bandwidth.  BTW her rates were a bit higher as an indy.
All the agencies that I am speaking of have posted on ter  on a regular basis.  
so this practice is to some degree common and accepted.  I don't get what all the fuss is about.
If you want specifics PM me

and will probably always be an issue for some.

I find it ironic because although I can certainly afford a slightly higher rate, I rarely if ever do so. I don't really see any reason to pay $$$$$ when I there are numerous ladies charging $$$ that I am every bit as happy with.

That said, it has never occured to me to come out and bash a lady or ladies for setting the rates at whatever level they choose. Some guys seem to have the attitude that these women somehow OWE us lower rates, nobody in this business owes anybody anything. Women can set their rates as high or as low as they choose, and guys have the right to either pay or not pay. This isn't rocket science.

What I find equally amusintg is when ladies, or even guys bash a woman for charging too LITTLE, I can understand the women being upset that a nwe "market standard" might be set, but to get the guys to buy into to that philosophy just amazes me.

This computer and my fingers just doi not get along.

"You may"   and   "of the handles here"  Yes you can buy me a beer, or 2 or 4, LOL

LOL, of course.  That's exactly right.  I would never initiate a thread about rates because after many, many years with ter, I know precisely how they are going to flow... it's always the same in the hundreds of such threads I've seen...  Like anything we do relative to services, the provider can charge whatever and customers can pick their poison... quite simple.  But all that being true, it still irritates me when I see rates double and clearly no added services also advertised for the new price.  I was irritated when GM raised the price of the supercharged vette engines if you wanted them retrofit into a different car.  Still the same damn engine.. LOL  ... But, sort of like politics, there ain't nobody going to win those debates, but my goodness they are fun to have and a lot of innocent beer gets turned into piss during the process... LOL  Speaking of beer, some of you guys (and you know who you are) will have the honor of buying me a beer at the next M&G because in a private setting, your viewpoint is completely opposite of what you stated here.... LMAO

Your reply is wonderfully clear and actually enjoyably wellput.


My inclination was correct, still I do enjoy the dialogs with you, because clarity is refreshing.  

Hopefully the economy will turn soon for everyone, and this topic becomes a non issue but even then I am pretty sure this topic will continue to rise

Wow.  Great discussion.  I've been wondering the same thing.

I assume, though, that when a woman goes independent, especially if she raises her rates, she no longer expects a tip for her services.  In other words, it's like she went from being a bar tender to a bar owner.  So, a modest increase in her rates doesn't really affect my bottom line.

Or am I completely wrong about that?

there is sooo much pussy out there for our enjoyment.

Some girls go indy as they build their business and want to
control who they see.  Others go to agencies for the sisterhood
or the need to have someone tell her what to do.

whatever who cares?

That's when you know you have arrived. lol

as for looking like a tranny, I've never met you or seen a full frontal shot of you, so I guess I'll reserve judgement. Besides it gives me something to look forward to.

but if you are a tranny, kudos to the doctor that did your boob job. lmao  oh and your ass job too. rofl

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For some it's a game, for many of us - it's our career.  Those girls "you" build up don't just show up pretty and get a check mark on a card.  They work for that.  It's very true that reviews, word of mouth, and happy clients posting happily is largely how we increase our business.  But WE do the work that's being evaluated and touted about.  That's pretty much how most businesses operate.   For someone to think THEY "made" them or is owed something for their posting efforts seems a bit dumb.  You found a great gal starting out and had the advantage of a lower rate while she was making her bones - so to speak.  That's a great opportunity that some were able to be part of and others missed.  Where's the problem?

I really don't see that someone raising their rates would be a slap in the face to you or any client/poster.  It's not about "you" or insulting you.  It's about managing our business.  There's no On the Job Training for this career and without a mentor, it can be very difficult to navigate.  An agency is but a stepping stone for some.  Rates and who is seen is controlled by the agency and as an indy, we have that control.  Let the ladies do what they do without such harsh judgement. If they are our of your price range and don't grandfather you in, then move onto the next new and up coming star.

And this Jasmine, is why I keep calling you when I have free time in Atlanta. Its a business, but you still look out for the clients, and from what I can tell, the girls as well.

I can't think of a better reason for being independent. This is one of those jobs that if you can't enjoy it, don't do it. I don't mean every appointment, that's not reality. I like my job, but not every minute of it, but overall yes. I guess the same goes for most careers, but ones this personal especially. I am happy to hear that you are in a position now that it is enjoyable for you.

with this post and your previous response above in the thread.  First and foremost, I take offense to the OP due to the fact that very simply put, no one has a right to tell anyone what they should or should not charge.  If you can't fit a ladies rate into your budget, simply shop elsewhere.  The poster who started the nonsense about the women that they "build up"...I don't even want to get started on that.  But I will.  No one built my reputation for me except for ME.  I didn't do some extra-special favor for a high-profile hobbyist in exchange for a few kind words about me on the boards or a shill post here and there.  I started with an agency, and I worked hard.  I put a lot into my sessions, made sure my clients enjoyed themselves and made sure that I didn't spread myself too thin so that I was able to enjoy myself as well.  While I have no judgement on any agencies or agency owners (a lot of you probably know that Bella and I are still very close), once I spent my time building my reputation and career there, I realized that it was time I branch off on my own.  Obviously, the best financial decision for me would to be begin to run my own business based on the fact that I had a good reputation.  A decision that allowed me to work less and make more.  I certainly didn't consider that I should stay with an agency because some clients had seen me there, reviewed me, and felt I owed it to them to stay at that agency and/or price point.  All of that aside, you didn't "build me up" anymore than you caused a girl who rushed you in, layed there, and rushed you out to fail.  She did it to herself.

My rate structure, like Taylor's, is designed based on the type of client that I am looking to attract.  Some ladies prefer to see a few more clients at a lower rate, while some prefer to be very low volume and charge a bit more.  

Also, there is the previously stated argument of the change in overhead costs.  Showing up and fucking is easy enough.  Rest assured that indy ladies do much more than that.

I am not against grandfathering clients in at all- but I do not do it at my agency rate.  If a gentleman has been seeing me since I first went independent, he can rest assured that he will never be asked to go above my original indy rate.  If I ever raise my rates again, I will treat my existing clients to the same benefit.  

Lots of good points and banter!   we all know that we need to cover our overhead (basic costs of survival) and figure in profit (profit makes the world go 'round!!) so that the ole wolf stays outside the door!!!   I know, as a simple hobbyist, that my equation for fun is a provider that is very personable, human, knows what men like and what she really likes, attractive, to me,  and has the ability to roll it all together and make a decent living!!    Being independent certainly ads a business sense to the equation and the ability to "balance the books".    I am always drawn towards the independent woman due to her keener sense of survival (that's just my own opinion) and being more entrepreneurial.......but we all know that not all providers fit the independent "mold".  (I wonder what the stats are on age versus independent/agency versus years in the business versus money earned......hhhhhmmmm........)  
We are all doing what we need to do, in these economic times, to keep our head above water.   yes....I'll take that cup of coffee now.........and a scone, too.........

I once listened to a lecture given by the authors of the book Freakonomics, which is sort of a lighthearted study of economics in everyday life.

Anyway, one of their studies involved whether ladies-of-the-night made more money if they worked for pimps than if they were independent.  Turns out that the ladies with the pimps made more money, mainly because the pimps were better markets and handled all the marketing arrangments.  (The bottom line was that pimps added more value to the transaction than real estate agents do to their sales.)

Now, that was a very limited survey, based on a specific area of Chicago if I recall, and I'm not sure the same holds true with the agency/independent arrangement for escorts, but I just thought it was interesting.

Taylor's pictures make her look as much like a tranny as I do, and I can assure you that I've got no boobs at all.

Here is my take, over all I think quality agencies such as ER, JFl, Sophiscated Escorts, Hush, Sleekride. Agencies that have been around and earned reputations are the safest bet.  If you look at their average in terms of review ratings they are the most consistent at delivering quality.  there are many indies that have very high degrees of quatlity as well Taylor of Atlanta, Megan, Brooke of Atlanta, terri lyn, and many more.  the indies on BP typically drag the overall indy market down in terms of quality.  The reputable agencies offer the highest degress of safety as well.
I personally respect a business woman's  choice of creating their own business and actively competing in an open market.  At the same time I like the variety and safeness of the agency marketplace.  Particularly the ones that have earned the right to be considered top self.
I believe price is a matter of value proposition.  Those that have the best value proposition can demand the highest rates.

This is all really simple... The market will decide.

If you don't like the rates, don't engage. Move along if you're not willing to pay the price. Like someone said earlier, if you're complaining about what a provider charges, you're a little too emotionally involved; and that is a little twisted.

You can question the wisdom of raising rates in a bad economy; but those are consequences the provider will have to face. It is a business, and setting rates is a business decision.

No problem.... I know the guy who knows the guy with the tickets... LMAO ...

A medal?

Like you said, most busineses operate by building up the business so, no medal for you for doing what you have to do.

This whole thread is much ado about absolutely nothing. This is simple transaction, I pay what you ask and you choose or not to choose me. If you choose not to, I move on.

Don't really understand WTF is all the rambling is about rates, (ass kissing may be) if you don't want to pay don't. On the same vein, there is no reason for dropping ton of bricks on someone's head for saying someones rate is high, either.

Simple reality = convenience, know-each-other, safety, day, Time, place, looks, performance, rate (in order).

that you don't have a dick....but you have a helluva place to put one.

Come to think of it, you have several places where it's fun to put one.