I talked to lux yesterday and asked about when he would be posting some of his talent. He told me he was in the middle of restructuring and we should see them back in action in a few days or so.

I think that most of the guys here turn a blind eye to what might be called the "dark side" of the hobby.

I imagine that there might be a few providers out there that do this because they enjoy it (i kinda get the impression that you are one of those Deanna ). However, i think that most of the providers do so out of necessity, given a choice they would do something else to make money.

Most everyone has an opinion and a "vision" of what a pimp is and does. HBO regularly runs specials on this and the media and internet is awash with stories.

Any providers out there who are not truly independent and are "working" for someone gives up something. From the highest end agencies to Pimps running Street walkers. Even the high end agencies here in ATL take 40% of the money for marketing, security, location etc etc. I am sure when it gets to the other end of the spectrum that can be 100% or close to it.

By definition all "managers" - regardless of what you call them - don't make money unless the girl is working. Consequently they work the girls hard. That's why you see so many of them advertising multiple times a day, most days a week.

i am not justifying or - trust me - a shill but what makes this individual different or worse?

and that's just the  ones with the same email and current phone #.

Posts for Nikki back up

...but i guess i should have expected it to take the thread in this direction.

Shameful and not-so-clever are character flaws that i undoubtedly possess,  but I can assure you that i am quite able to understand your condemnation and to distinguish between the various strata within our hobby.

As you and PT have very eloquently commented, not all "agencies" are born equal. Hence why my second post sought to narrow the question down to an apples to apples comparison, to use your metaphor.

Had you read my second post. (duh )....you would have seen that i rephrased the question to why the condemnation of this particular individual and not all others in his "class". This forum is intended for an open and frank exchange of ideas and opinions and i am sure i was not alone in wondering why this individual was apparently being singled out.

Your broad condemnation is very clear, and with respect, thank you for your views.

As an aside, my reasoning for quantifying the number of girls in ATL (and on BP) that appear to be "managed" was to contrast the sheer numbers of girls in that situation versus indie or with a more respectful agency.

I think that the answer to Deanna's question earlier about why guys promote these individuals by visiting their girls is fairly simple - supply and demand.

Re: No alias here...once again..

Another lady that has lived around it, and says it straight up.
ok suppose their was public nude mud wrestling, but you knew the girls were runaways and" kept"for this sole purpose.If noone spent money to see /use them they would not exist right?so lets be proactive,Shun the pimps,  their exist a bounty of beatiful ladies that are independant give them your support.If you choose an Ageny make sure it's well respected.
For the most part it's pretty simple to discern pimp situtation/ads--boy(no pun intended) boycott them!
We are MEN of dignity ,we can do better!

I have never visited any of Lux's girls. I have been tempted, but I had the impression that they were somewhat high volume and that did not appeal to me. But I had no clue that there was anything like this going on. Being with a woman who has had ANY of her ability to choose compromised is not for me. Thanks for posting this.

Frankly I think a good point is being made by xxx that there is a dark side to this hobby that many patrons turn a blind eye to.  Also I would venture to guess his math is not too far off making the dark element at least as prevalent as the upscale providers.  I also think that like it or not economics comes into play.  Spending $200 to $400 for a half hour to an hour of an upscale ladies time is not in everyone's budget.  So a market gets created for a different level of service as a result.  So the concept of just not frequenting the dark side of the hobby is difficult to effectively implement as a result.

So yes condemn Lux, but also condemn a good portion of Backpage as well.

By the way I really have to chuckle at the media.  Massive fury over Craigslist yet very little talk of Backpage which has become in my opinion what Craigslist was.