Thanks to a reply to another thread by the wonderful "Phone Terrorist" (good name, I like it.)I think maybe it's time TER opened up a new area on these boards.  

An area the providers, and those that work with them, can use to rate the hobbyists.  
They can talk about which ones aren't clean, which have bad breath, ass acne...and rate them on a scale of one to ten on appearance, and performance.  
That way the ladies can decide who they want to book time with, and who they will be unavailable for no matter when he calls, and  who donations should be doubled for if they do decide to book time with him.  
They can post reviews, and give details on who is respectful, and who treats them like anything but a human being.  They can tell you who respects the providers, and who disregards the providers rules and wishes.
They can post about which hobbyists give out information about the providers that could be used to lead L.E. to their doors, and those that leave emails in an account their wives also have access to, so that they get questioning emails/calls from angry spouses, the ones that leave addresses written down with phone numbers so that trouble can come to the providers doors.
Also, they can share information on the much more serious issue of the men that will actually hurt the providers.

It seems only fair that the providers have a forum to inform each other about the hobbyists. Hell, you never know, a hobbyist gets enough good reviews maybe a provider will even throw a special discount his way.  I'm sure none of you hobbyists would begrudge the ladies the same type of free exchange of information about you, that you have about them....fair is fair...and this would only be one little section, you would still have the rest of the place.

So, what do you say?  POWER TO THE PUSSY!!!!!!!!!

-- Modified on 10/18/2004 6:45:50 AM

TBD actually had (still has?) such a place.

I was once told that I was listed in there as a "good kisser" (code for "balding and overweight") and as "respectful" (code for "sucker who will pay the full rate even when he could get away with paying less").

Some of these ladies have pretty good web development skills.  Why would they need someone else to set up a system for them?  I'm sure they're more than capable of setting one up on their own.

Web Terrorist:

Let's consider a basic question here.  Who is putting out the big bucks for this hobby?  The clients, right? Right!  So this forum and others enable us to exchange information about providers so we can avoid trouble and spend our hard-earned dollars wisely.

I can see providers exchanging info about clients for security purposes, but rating them?  Baloney!  If you believe "fair is fair", then providers who rate hobbyists should go ahead and PAY US for our time.  That's the true flip-side of the coin.

you stated "fair is fair" incorrect. providers post their information so they can gain business. as providers are just that "a business"

imagine TER as the BBB (Better Business Bureau). if a business exists that is scamming/robbing/stealing from customers, then people report them to the BBB. If a business is doing very well, serving customers as they should or going beyond that duty then customers make light of that aswell.

as far as your "rating hobbyist" goes, you might want to ask yourself why people have been afraid of uncle sam invading our privacy, why... because we want to maintain it.

businesses dont keep records of customers & how they shop etc, because it scares customers off. the supreme court has actually rulled that this is illegal to do & a invasion of privacy if the customer doesnt know/sign a document for this to occur.

if a providers doesnt want to see a certain type of gentlemen then she should state that openly on their website. If you find it important to see only hobbyists with a certain appearance & performance then i think your in the wrong business.

this industry runs on people being discreet & private (atleast on the hobbyist end). people see providers rather than Street Walkers so they can maintain privacy & have a much slimer chance of getting caught/busted/arrested. of course PSE, GFE are a bit different & id hope that those that provide true PSE, GFE would never post this information. but those that dont provide a real GFE, PSE ... you have to ask yourself if you followed through with "web terrorist"'s proposed idea, what the ramifications would be on your business.

your proposed idea is a total invasion of our privacy as we dont want our information posted. you post it voluntarily and that is where the difference is.

If providers started publicly rating us, I'd quit the hobby.  I can't afford that invasion of privacy.  At the very least, I'd avoid any provider who engaged in a rating system.

I'd like to hear from all the ladies who agree with WebTerrorist's idea ... so I can cross them off my list.

mrluvman, many of us already rate and it is a far more effective system. As far as the well mannered and respectful clients go, well many providers just call them regulars. As far as the hot hard bodies that can give you the joy of the week, we usually refer to them as favorites, or the oh my gods. As far as the rude, unclean disrespectful ones, we just list their numbers as barred and don't call them anything. No we don't publically rate clients but when girl talk starts, names are excluded and we share the secrets. Screen names are also refered to but with general comments on preferences and dislikes. We also provide references when asked by the client. Most of your secrets are safe with us as long as you aren't offending anyone or a danger to yourself or others. Above all privacy is what many of us enjoy about the hobby.  

-- Modified on 10/18/2004 10:15:37 AM

Web Terrorist sounds like another woman pissed off by some asshole who didn't treat her as well as she felt she deserved.  I'm sure its happened to all of us ladies at some point in time.  I'm also sure we've ALL fantasized about going to the extreme to vow revenge, too.  But thankfully, for most of us, it ends with the fantasy, as the ramifications for actually going through with it might mean even more trouble and headaches for us.  Its just not worth it.

My recommendation to any lady who feels she has been slighted or disrespected is merely to learn as much as you can from the experience, including honing your ability to size these guys up before they ever get to your door.  Your intuition is always going to be your best protection.  Develop a close circle of girlfriends as well and always back channel info. between yourselves and others.  There've been a few times I've declined appts. with 'gentlemen' based on a few words shared with me by my trusted inner circle.  

I'll say again, as has been echoed by several on here already, if any woman is that sensitive about being with a man who is "not her type", then she's definitely in the wrong business here.  But, my impression here is that web terrorist probably doesn't mind seeing men who 'aren't her type', yet she's highly insulted when they have the nerve to critique her, as though she were a faceless piece of meat.   Its maddening, I agree, but its part of the territory, unfortunately.  Develop a thicker skin.

If providers are open to me charging them for my time, I am definitely open to this idea.  In fact, here is a great way to approach it.  If I go to a provider and they advertise falsely, then the session, should I choose to move forward should be at a discount or if I just choose to leave, then they should pay me for wasting a trip to see them (false advertising).  If I go to a provider's place and they do not like the fact that I am 4' 10", 352 lbs, bald, bad acne and tremendous BO, then they turn me away or present me with the potential of an "upcharge" after a shower.  

Why so bitter?  Is there a reason that you cannot ask the potential client to leave when you see them or perhaps just not open the door?  Is this a common issue?  Or is the real issue that you feel you do not have a forum to "strike back" at clients who anger you?  I am completely confused by this post.

Ok...I don't see anything wrong with provider's informing each other about clients who do not meet our standards...As if it is alright that our faces, bodies, and info is plastered everywhere, but all we can get is a cell number and a pseudoname?

I find it harsh that some men think we should pay for their time..Um Hum...did one forget; we provide the service...

Should we have a follow your friendly provider day, and see just how much we have to go through on a daily basis?  There should be a provider network of support; I fully support that idea, and it may be in the works.  I don't support gent's info being publicly posted, as I wouldn't want my personal info posted publicly either...

But guess what, gents...we don't have the luxury of just having to give a name sometimes...Our faces, bodies, residences are all there to see; and that is ok, because we are being paid for our time??  

How many of you gents have to deal with stalkers, harassers, rough-handlers, halitosis, smegma, body odor, raw lips from stubble(both sets), slimy kissers, fingers with hangnails...shall I continue?

I am up for a Power to the Pussy Network, but I am also up for total and absolute discretion on both parts...I'll lick yours, if you lick mine, so to speak...

I am highly discreet with info regarding gents; even if they are losers, rip-offs, or disgustingly terrible clients to deal with...but I will pass what info I have on to other providers, if it means it will keep them from harm or from being ripped off...And that should be the only thing that matters, shouldn't it?


Sofia Danila

-- Modified on 10/18/2004 2:16:30 PM

Ask Alexis why she calls me Mr. Pussy!

Good Hunting!

Pheonix

Sorry to have caused anyone any sort of undue stress...

That post was written in a satirical vein,in the hopes of making a point about the hobbyists that are disrespectful (funny a lot of guys came to the defense of provider that got three bad reveiws, and went after someone that implied the job was to "close your eyes or take it from behind if you have to"), Hobbyists that have no discrestion (there have been posts here giving out information that has no business being posted on a public forum, and  the TER boards policy allowing some members to post unmoderated helps these kinds of things to happen.), hobbyists that leave emails and phone numbers that their wives/girlfriends find so that the providers and those that work with/for them (or they work for) get contacted by said same wives/girlfriends demanding to know what the calls/emails are about, hobbyists that know certain providers don't do certain things, but when alone will try and do those things anyway, and as mentioned in my original post the ones that actually do hurt the providers.

I had hoped (hope of course being the most dangerous of the four letter words) that my post might spur discussion about discretion, about the responsibilities of the hobbyists, and not just the providers, to ensure fair treatment, respect, and safety. Instead the majority of the replies were defensive at best, and delt with fears of privacy, ego, and money.....maybe all the posts by hobbyists talking about respecting the ladies, refering to some of the providers as friends and showing concern really is just rhetoric ...or that's how it seems when only one reply has one short mention of security for the providers.  Though, I must add kudos to the two posts (two,at the time of writing this)  that while not speaking to issues I had hoped, at least played along with the satirical portion of the post.

As for the guesses that I am a bitter provider seeking revenge on any particular hobbyist, nope, not me, I do not deal in revenge, not my style, and I have nothing to seek revenge for.

I am sorry to have caused you guys any fear...that was not my intention, I had only hoped to bring some serious issues to the table, but tried to do it in a less than heavy handed manner, thinking that if it were presented tongue in cheek it might be more palatable.  I was wrong, and I do apologise.

Indeed, this is an interesting idea. I have nothing against it, if ...

1. I could see  WHAT  was written about me (not necessarily  WHO  wrote it)

2. I would have the same right to challenge it as a lady currently has to challenge a review of her. (Is there any? I've heard at least a bit of comlaining from time to time.)

3. ABSOLUTELY  NO  personal information would be posted. Only the guy's username that he meets ladies with. (and maybe a general description)

I haven't read all the posts on this topic yet, but feel that most guys that treat ladies respectfully would not mind this. (Also, I could be missing a major objection at this time.)


But, then again, being one who is not really well-endowed, maybe it's best if we forget the whole idea of comparing us to each other ...

Quote:  " If providers are open to me charging them for my time, I am definitely open to this idea."

Reply:  If ever a provider desires a hobbyist's services as much as ahobbyist desires her's I think that would make sense.

Quote: "if I just choose to leave, then they should pay me for wasting a trip to see them"

Reply:  Just like all business you choose not to give your patronage to have to pay you for going to them and then changing your mind?

Quote:  "If I go to a provider's place and they do not like the fact that I am 4' 10", 352 lbs, bald, bad acne and tremendous BO, then they turn me away or present me with the potential of an "upcharge" after a shower."

Reply:   Don't most business have a standard rule of "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone"?  and I don't think any of them have to pay you for that right.

Quote:  "Or is the real issue that you feel you do not have a forum to "strike back" at clients who anger you?"

Reply:  I had  simply made a tongue in cheek suggestion that the providers have a forum where they could talk about hobbyists, like the hobbyists have here.  Does this part of your reply mean that you see these boards as a place to "strike back"  at providers and not simply to share information about rip-offs, scams, privacy and other issues faced by hobbyists?  


I never said anything about sharing personal information, I never mentioned revenge or stiking back at anyone, and yet a lot of posts assumed this would be the case.  That those replies inferred things that were never implied completely confuses me.

HEHEHeheheheBwahahahahaLmaooooooooooooooooooooo
Let me introduce my Webmaster,She has posted here before but under a different name................
That being Vestal V if I remember correctly.
The V you can all take literally as it is true!
So all the misconceptions of her being a bitter,revenge seeking working woman is further from the truth than you can imagine.
I recently experienced the rotten side of things here at TERmite central, so she is just poking and prodding your minds in an open forum so that together we may enhance the security for all of us.
BTW~ I think she did it rather well!!!

Hopefully together a compromise can be reached that leaves out comprimising our safety. An elusive thing at best but, made even more difficult by some of TER's policy's.
The Freebie thing for one and paying members posting what ever they want indiscriminetly and unmoderated.
A TERmite in the throws of his inner passions and fantasy's cannot be trusted to post wisely as they are being controlled by a throb.
tyvm,P.T.

Well, "L" I'm listening with baited breath! Gadzukes, I hope my breath isn't baited!! I hope the other "L" isn't using your alias. I hate it when you do that, I never know who I'm talking to! Could it be that both of you are composing again??
I wonder where I fit in the scheme that you girls have concocted? Would love to be there right now, but I must wait! Didn't someone once say that "all good things come to him who waits"..... or was it "He also serves who only atands and waits".

No fear my sweet lady, I stand by my actions and welcome reviews, Nice conversations abound, lets just talk and be reasonable and pass on info to help all, providers and hobbist alike.  Love to you,  Jimmy

I have allways enjoyed your posts. Second only to Jolie. I say go for it!  Remember that who ever said "Life isn't fair" was probably cheating. I would like a ocaisional peek at what would be said about me. As far as YMMV goes I feel prety confident and well treated.I would allways welcome Constructive comments. Hey I allready have come to grips that I'm an over the hill kind of guy but some of us are on our way down from a higher Hill. Keep it up PT. I even enjoyed talking to you for screening .

I really dislike this one sided knowing of me but, I'll live.
tyvm,P.T.

I'm not one sided! I am multifaceted(grin) You do know me right??  Hope so, I hate to not make an impression,  HMMM, is that the right term(grin) Or is it insertion or iompression, well WHAT EVER.

But the mention of the hill, well, I am accending it gracefully, and agressivly, hell I don't want to give up even when I feel so down at times when they take advantage.

Wonder why I am in so good of a mood today, well I will have a great time with a great lady.  I am in heaven, can't wait.  Damn, I am in a good mood for a change, see what a lovely caring lady will do for you!!! Jimmy

Uh, I meant that for 1woody. you I know,I know but this wiley wooley knows me and I know him but???
Putting my thinking cap on and percolatin.
tyvm, P.T.

Now I am hurt, she knows me and now I am heartbroken that you do not remember.  Ask T,  maybe she will remember me(grin),, It's OK, I am a big boy,  or old guy, what ever. Love you tho,  JIMMY

I'm all for it - if reduced rates are offered for length and strength.  

I feel like I just came into a Fellini movie in the last five minutes and I don't know what the hell went on in the first 90 min. I'll get mine in a week!!! So there.... you're all a bunch of old farts and those that aren't can kiss my arse!!! I'm going to hang out with the fannies!!!

silly, I do know you........ I will never forget your face as that is MY forte. You already know flag girl's 8=) hehehehe
and 1woody as soon as I hear your voice I will know that I know you too.
tyvm,P.T.

Interesting idea...execution on the other hand is difficult.  If we want to look up a provider, we have a website, phone, email address, and other hobbyist to cross reference with on the spot to make sure we are thinking the correct provider.

The provider on the other hand has only a phone number, possibly email address, and maybe a real name.   How do you cross reference that online?  Especially if privacy is key (which I would hope would be the case).  That means you can't use phone number nor email address.  That leaves the unrealiable first name with maybe a written description.   Basically the rating would be useless for wouldn't know if have correct client.

Now if such a review site was limited to TER posters, then it could work.  At least have our handle as a reference.  However this assumes we provide a correct handle or even a handle that is our own.

My point is the idea has merits (imagine if get excellent reviews from providers, can't imagine that not having benefits, monetary or otherwise), the execution on the other hand is flawed.   If Webmaster (hmm sounds like would be intersting to meet) could overcome the inherent flaws of identifing correct client yet protecting their privacy, I wouldn't be opposed to the idea.   It would at the very least increase the safety for the provider and thats always a good thing.

Side note...any consideration given to adding a field to the reviews that asks "is tipping or upselling an issue? yes/no?".  Something like that would be beneficial to everyone since reviews don't always indicate it.

Most all the ladies commuicate among themselves, they know who most of us are.  So there is a client review of sorts now.  Jimmy

-- Modified on 10/19/2004 6:34:19 AM

I guess we have entered into a debate, which may have been the very idea of your original post.  The idea would be that providers share information on who should be avoided (that part I get).  Quote #1 from me was satire.  

Let's face it, a provider is selling their looks and personality which come into play at the service level.  A client provides cash and if the connection is there, all the better.  I believe a provider should be safe and they always have the right to say "no" to a client based on whatever reasons they wish.  I have no issue of providers trying to avoid "rip-off" artists, scammers, abusers, etc.

Quote #2 you pulled was completely out of context.  The statement had to do with a provider completely misrepresenting themselves and if this was the case, then .....

Quote #3 does emphasize the providers right not to go forward with the session (not sure if you caught it or not).

Quote #4 - simple answer is that some clients do use this board to strike back at a provider.  I typically try to take all feedback into context and hopefully there are enough reviews to compare and I recognize the posters who are typically reliable.  What makes this a little different on the other side is that I typically see one or two providers on a regular basis.  If one retires, I seek out someone else with whom to connnect (all pun intended).  It is astonishing how many scam providers "reinvent" themselves into a new person over and over.  

Do clients do this same thing? - this is actually a serious question that I do not know the answer to, so please share.

The real question of the day is do you believe providers will share info on their best clients and will you trust the info?

With one caveat.  I'd like to have some kind of limited assess to those evaluations.  If they were set up (probably would be a huge hasstle for the webmaster) so that we could see only the reviews on ourselves, that would circumvent any problems with being about to read reviews on other hobbiests.  And the reviewers name should be anonomous when we review.  It may help us who may overlook some areas that the providers are sensitive to and take care of them.  It would also tell me if they really do enjoy the little curve I have in my c**k, or if they are just saying that

Bill