Times are about to change in this hobby.

Changes are on the way that we as providers and you as clients are going to have to accept. Providers are going to have to start changing the way they screen and the gents are going to have to be flexible.  Don't be surprised if all girls are driven to an outcall or has a bodyguard there to protect her at her incall. Gents must stop allowing girls to be flakes. NO acceptions to this. A good reason for rescheduling is one thing but irresponsibiliy is another.

If you take a moment to read recent events around our country, there are more and more providers being hurt and killed. Now a gent has been murdered. Hmm. It's gotten both sides now. Girls are being stabbed in Atlanta for thier money from clients and  girls are still ripping them off. LE is also becoming more clever in thier stings and how they are able to get into our screening system. Guys are being persuaded into helping LE to protect themselves and the girls are turning one another in.

This hobby is fun but it is time we all grow up and be big boys and girls. Folks in Atlanta are some of the most lax and spoiled people out there. We have been fortunate to not have anything too serious here. Times are changing. Time to catch up to the rest of the country and be smart and safe.

Times are changing.





-- Modified on 1/3/2004 4:19:04 PM

which gent was killed by a provider?

i have heard nohting of this, and really would liek to.

please post information,

thanks

thought this post from TBD would be of interest to some.



Posted by Brotha_Ceo1 , Sat, Jan 03, 2004, 16:47:06  Post Reply   Forum

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A good friend (provider) was set up by a well known Ala. Provider calling out of state providers .Explaining there are several client would like to see them.She vouch's for their credibility and approval of fees.
Once their,you are video taped by survellence set up in a very nice house in home wood some times a local hotel on the (Lake Shore ParkWay ) Home Wood Alabama area.

Where the hotel has outside and inside survellence cameras (Miniture).

They will western Union half or Pay Pal .The whole Nine yards to complete screening. Fake ID,Business Lic. and company phone directory,Car Insurance and utility bill.

This is part of a National( T.F )just beginning with Alabama,Atlanta,Miss and Florida. They are mostly interested in providers doing and transpoting Narc. or affiliated with several affiliates involved with this type of provider relations.

She's affraid to post because of Le threats.I confirmed this with several who got caught in the round up and exchanged numbers versus her paper work. Its .The Real Deal.

Beware and Be Carefull of who you are associated as Hobbyst.


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NO one said a provider killed a gent.

This was out of state and was a double homicide. If I can find the article now I will. It's been a while.

See section on
"AmeriSuites Hotel on Stanley Road".

Drugs,Ego, Greed, Cruelty  can only be stopped by prudence, sensitivity, compassion and humility. Money can't buy any of the four regardless of how much you try. History is full of examples!

Everything else is just window dressing and false sense of security.

You mention about doing away with the cruelty, drugs, ego, and greed. Humility, prudence, sensitivity, and compassion are all a very interesting way to approach each item on that individual issue. Cruelty with humility, drugs with prudence, ego with sensitivity, and greed with compassion. You sound like what Buddha was thought to sound like (in my opinion). There is approximately 75% of the time that I can respond the way you would when faced with say an egotisical jerk, a road hog not wanting to share the road with me (especially those poking along in the fast lane), a person in a nearby subdivision to me that has a dog on a short chain for several years now, or these three little guys that used to hit on me when I walked my dog that is obvious they sell drugs (and they use the drugs it appears to me the way they are so sniffling all of the time). They are not selling drugs to support an education or to secure a future for themselves or a loved one, instead they are selling in order to abuse drugs themselves (and usually these types probably sell to some that are making the wrong decision in buying drugs). I feel that there are very few people that should use drugs (cancer patients is one example using herbal remedies for pain and to have an appetite).

Well off to my point, there is another 25% that I come across when I am fed up with the other 75% and let myself blow up in their faces. This 25% has had one seriously bad day when I happen to cross their paths. The 75% never seem to know how lucky they are because I am nice to them in return. I am not nice to the drug dealing guys, but depending on if I am nice feeling that day is how paranoid they end up being after our conversation. I remind them how LE has neat little gadgets and the stories I have heard through grapevines. If I am feeling nice, then I just ask them if they have had any trouble. If I am feeling fed up with the 75% (pissed), then I go on and on about how I heard about this guy that had.... and .... and how bad off he is in jail now for so and so years with nothing but a criminal record to show for it. They listen to me with their big eyes, and they stopped hitting on me to. There, got two birds with one stone (though I would not do that literally ever).

Those with the dog on a chain gets to my heart. The dog is too mean seeming to get close enough to him. I would only go over to that area with my dog present. My dog does not get along with that dog. I cannot calmly get close enough to nourish the limited soul within this dog. That hurts me a lot. The owners are never there, and what would I say to them if they were? Where else will the dog go if I just let him loose? I cannot take in another dog. The pound will put him to sleep in three or so days. The next home may be this way and worse who knows.

The greed and ego are items that I see almost every day in someone I come across. Sometimes I feel greedy after a double with Heidi and she seems horny still. I can overlook that form of greed. I cannot overlook the type of greed that leads to a situation that results in another person being hurt or neglected. I could not understand in the book Angela's Ashes how Frank McCourt's Mother had cigarettes and Father had alcohol, but firewood and food were scarce if any with children dying from pneumonia. That is a form of greed that I do not like and it is hard to be nice to these greedy folks (easy to turn your head though, but with sad images in the head left).

My goal is to be nice 100% of the time and to communicate only nice (encouraging) words to these that are not so nice (for some of them do not even see what is wrong with what they are doing).

Jolie

There was a major lack in the details overall and maybe for good reasons to keep one's life from becoming the media wants to bash. I find it odd that the cause of death could not be determined for the couple in the hotel. No relation, no motive, and no information really. I think it is something pertaining to the hobby perhaps, but not something that should be known about for the sake of the victims privacy (someone was looking out for them).

Screening is something that needs to evolve. Especially since someone I have heard is very good about getting references had a misfortunate thing happen to her, but it is actually going to be thrown out of the court so now she has nothing to worry over. Still, this means LE has references from providers. It would not be too hard for them to work around this, but I thought it was not something they would be willing to do. But, they did to her. I say go on your gut feeling, never discuss rates (on the phone, on voice mail, or in person), and ask the caller where he heard about you from to get him to do the talking for the most part (is what you want). If he sounds nervous, mentions your website (info there), your rate, and he is pushy like then do tell him you need to telephone him back in a few minutes and hang up on him. If he continues to dial, wait a few hours, dial him back (try to get his voice mail to pick up to see what the outgoing message sounds like), and tell him that "this message is for ..., this is (your number he dialed you on but no name mentioned), and that you think he has got the wrong number".

On another note, at the last minute, have the guy meet you out of the jurisdiction where he had originally planned to meet you. It can be at a restaurant or anywhere in public is better (I think). If he is wants to see you and is serious, then he will catch a taxi cab to meet you anywhere within a reasonable distance for both of you (would not make the ride more than thirty minutes and make it up to him somehow for having to do it).

Jolie

-- Modified on 1/4/2004 11:26:03 PM

is know about the relationship of screening to this tragic crime.

Screening might be irrelevant.

The male found with her may have been a client, BF, brother or pimp.  The murderer could have been a woman, a lesbian lover, a jealous provider or irate wife.  If the murderer was male, he may have been a disgruntled or jealous client, BF or pimp, a robber knowing his victims also operate below L/E radar, or tired truck driver in the next room fed-up with the noise who lost it.

The point is that to jump to client screening as saftey and protection from an event like this when nothing specific is known, is a fool's errand.  If the male victim was a client, and passed a vigirous screening, how did it make it safe for her?

Isn't it interesting that the first thing is to point fingers or to assume it's a screening issue?

I suppose I will jump in here and speculate along with you all...  I am sure that the answers will come about once the autopsy comes out. There are like 500 "if's" in this whole thing but I will say this. I don't blame anyone who wants to be more protective of themselves.

I had a bodyguard in Vegas while I worked but this town is alot different than there, duh..lol However, if a person feels the need for someone to accompany her, by all means do it. We all operate at a level of our own comfort. Who am I or you to say how a person should run thier business or how they should be with thier comfort during a session? Not me.

I know that there are SEVERAL of us who have our own private way of making sure we feel comfortable with our security. I do. Mine is private and no one will ever know about it. That is the way it should be. There isn't really ever a need to have it brought into the forefront. No one should ever feel intimidated or uneasy. That isn't what this hobby is about. This is about fun!
AND I'M REALLY READY FOR SOME FUN!!!!!!!!!!



-- Modified on 1/5/2004 8:06:28 AM

I can only let you Ga folks know that VERY little about this case has been released to the media. If anyone has any facts about this case they aren't talking about it. To speculate about screening or any motive for this double homicide is foolish. As far as I know nobody has any facts regarding this terrible incident.

...But it is kind of a funny thought Brooke, that at the same time you are paying one guy to guard your body while another guy is paying you to ravish it.  What a crazy world...