Remember back in the day when GFE had kind of a checklist of services? What do you think is included currently?

I have always thought of GFE as being more about a relaxed vibe and connection. Always included soft, sensual kissing, uncovered oral, massage maybe, cuddling. This builds naturally when seeing someone regularly. To each his own, and no judgement, but I have never thought about the things you mentioned as being inherent to GFE. They seem more BDSM than anything.

She berates you about how you don't pay her enough attention, don't listen to her, lack ambition at work, ogles other women, won't take out the trash, etc.

Absolutely not  

I think they asked about GFE not Wife Experience….. GFE is still the recruiting trip.  

I figured maybe he was being sarcastic??

Well, you're the perfect BFE, so you should know!

I did not do a good job with my answer.  I too was joking about the wife experience versus the girlfriend experience. Also, my response about what was being described was more towards Ginger. I’m in agreement with what others are saying. What ginger described was certainly not GFE in my opinion. For me, GFA would be someone that I would be comfortable. Going to a ball game with, to a farmers market, on a weekend, vacation, kissing, and cuddling in the bed.

BOY friend??????

Awww I like that answer...personality goes a long way imo

BoyFriend Experience...BFE... the ones all the ladies like

its usually the "chemistry"  

I think it would depend on what kind of "girlfriend" you like.  I tend towards the session starting with "GFE" (cuddling LFK, DFK, etc.) then going to a wild "PSE" in bed, then drifting back to "GFE" to finish.  A lady in public, absolutely wild in the bedroom.

Hmmmm

Thank you for your unique perspective. May I ask what you mean when you say 'Intelligent conversation"? I find it commendable that you like intelligent Providers. Do you mean discussing current events? Or is there anything specific you enjoy discussing?

Okay, now we're getting somewhere!

What if the wife is in the top 25 in her "area" on here? Well EX-wife...but it wasn't always a bunch of nagging LMAO..plenty of gagging was had too. But in all seriousness, anything beyond a smack on the ass is definitly more towards the bdsm side of things.

That sum guys and girls  think  gfe is raw sex... its not

U definitely added a few how many girlfriends really  out here licking ass and balls  thats almost  in fetish territory

Can discuss anything really, politics, sex, sports life experiences.

Its my gfe.  lol

Good clarification  

I agree with you, Meena and that's what I was trying to figure out. Wondering if maybe things had changed over the years.  I feel especially on a first date, these are in the no-fly zone.

Choking/breath play should not be part of any date. It is extremely dangerous and most pro dommes and pro subs do not offer it at all because it is too dangerous.  

Thank you for this thread! I think a lot of clients think GFE is PSE now. For me I think GFE should be like being with a new exciting girlfriend. I've never licked a boyfriend's butthole or let him choke me

Thank you for this. I had a new friend with several references expect all these things on a FIRST date and I was very taken aback!

I think most responses have been accurate in that it is more mild and sensual. The problem comes because there are providers labeling themselves as GFE/PSE then limiting everything, some do it intentionally because the acronyms can lure clients. Some simply don't know. It creates situations that are difficult to navigate considering all the back and forth and expectations shifting. Then there are very few clients that can actually handle a PSE, very few providers that can handle a PSE, so it all gets intertwined into this build a burger scenario of dissappointment lol.

Yes, I agree Priss. I will say back in the day there was kind of a "GFE Checklist". And I think back in those days, everyone was more on the same page.

I always saw GFE(which I do offer) as Kissing, cuddling, perhaps having a more in depth conversation, bbbj, something that allows you to escape the pressures of the outside world for a little while.  
From my perspective BDSM is spanking, choking, and tying up.
PSE I would think includes bare back and all of the more unsafe stuff you’d see in porn

all about the passion and connection of a new relationship.

I provide PSE & never does that mean Bare services. Porn stars are Bareback providers. I would never assume PSE is BBFS. I would never. PSE is anal, CIM, and a combination of BDSM services incorporated with PSE.  

I'm a former porn star and current courtesan. Even when I was shooting adult films, I learned quickly not to advertise PSE. What some people expect from a PSE provider is sometimes just crazy and respect for the provider, from  some.   goes down as they feel limits and safety is out the door. Safety is never out the door with me, not on set or in the hobby.  For these reasons I advertise GFE.

No, those aren’t GFE, maybe PSE.

No, that’s the WE - wife experience! Married once, divorced once, NEVER EVER AGAIN!