Remember back in the day when GFE had kind of a checklist of services? What do you think is included currently?
Do you think hard spanking, choking and pounding really hard like a porn star should be included in that or is that considered PSE/BDSM? Be honest... Thank you, GingerI have always thought of GFE as being more about a relaxed vibe and connection. Always included soft, sensual kissing, uncovered oral, massage maybe, cuddling. This builds naturally when seeing someone regularly. To each his own, and no judgement, but I have never thought about the things you mentioned as being inherent to GFE. They seem more BDSM than anything.
Chuck
She berates you about how you don't pay her enough attention, don't listen to her, lack ambition at work, ogles other women, won't take out the trash, etc.
I think they asked about GFE not Wife Experience….. GFE is still the recruiting trip.
Honestly what you described is no where near GFE. I think of GFE as being more hand holding, cuddling, kissing, etc…
I figured maybe he was being sarcastic??
I did not do a good job with my answer. I too was joking about the wife experience versus the girlfriend experience. Also, my response about what was being described was more towards Ginger. I’m in agreement with what others are saying. What ginger described was certainly not GFE in my opinion. For me, GFA would be someone that I would be comfortable. Going to a ball game with, to a farmers market, on a weekend, vacation, kissing, and cuddling in the bed.
Awww I like that answer...personality goes a long way imo 
I hope no one gets the wife experience! lol
Hmmmm
The reason many of us seek out you ladies FOR a GFE is because we’re living in the “wife experience”
What if the wife is in the top 25 in her "area" on here? Well EX-wife...but it wasn't always a bunch of nagging LMAO..plenty of gagging was had too. But in all seriousness, anything beyond a smack on the ass is definitly more towards the bdsm side of things.
Absolutely not
GFE is cuddling, LFK and DFK, fondling , BBBJ and “normal” positions (mish,,,, doggy,,,,, cg)
Well, you're the perfect BFE, so you should know!
BOY friend??????
More like decrepit old man friend!!!
Hope all is well
BoyFriend Experience...BFE... the ones all the ladies like
its usually the "chemistry"
but if you want a checklist
DFK, bbbj, cim, rimming, ball licking, daty, intelligent convo,
Thank you for your unique perspective. May I ask what you mean when you say 'Intelligent conversation"? I find it commendable that you like intelligent Providers. Do you mean discussing current events? Or is there anything specific you enjoy discussing?
Thank you, Ginger
Can discuss anything really, politics, sex, sports life experiences.
U definitely added a few how many girlfriends really out here licking ass and balls thats almost in fetish territory
I think it would depend on what kind of "girlfriend" you like. I tend towards the session starting with "GFE" (cuddling LFK, DFK, etc.) then going to a wild "PSE" in bed, then drifting back to "GFE" to finish. A lady in public, absolutely wild in the bedroom.
Okay, now we're getting somewhere!
Thank you, GT
That sum guys and girls think gfe is raw sex... its not
Hard pounding is generally PSE.
Good clarification
I’m amazed it would be needed
I agree with you, Meena and that's what I was trying to figure out. Wondering if maybe things had changed over the years. I feel especially on a first date, these are in the no-fly zone.
Thanks, GT
Choking/breath play should not be part of any date. It is extremely dangerous and most pro dommes and pro subs do not offer it at all because it is too dangerous.
https://www.domesticshelters.org/articles/identifying-abuse/being-choked-during-sex-is-rising-in-popularity-among-young-people
https://polysoma.au/trauma/the-truth-about-choking-during-sex-why-theres-no-safe-way-to-strangle/
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/as-you-like-it/202309/why-you-should-never-choke-a-partner-during-sex
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/jul/25/fatal-hateful-rise-of-choking-during-sex
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2025/jul/07/no-safe-way-risks-of-choking-during-sex
Thank you for this. I had a new friend with several references expect all these things on a FIRST date and I was very taken aback!
I advertise as "slightly submissive" so a little hair pulling, light spanking, giving directions, etc. is great and I actually enjoy it! I was just really surprised about the choking, hard pounding and hard spanking. It's making me rethink what I put on my ads.
Thanks again, GT
Thank you for this thread! I think a lot of clients think GFE is PSE now. For me I think GFE should be like being with a new exciting girlfriend. I've never licked a boyfriend's butthole or let him choke me
Yes, I agree Priss. I will say back in the day there was kind of a "GFE Checklist". And I think back in those days, everyone was more on the same page.
Thanks for your input.
MUAH, GT
I think most responses have been accurate in that it is more mild and sensual. The problem comes because there are providers labeling themselves as GFE/PSE then limiting everything, some do it intentionally because the acronyms can lure clients. Some simply don't know. It creates situations that are difficult to navigate considering all the back and forth and expectations shifting. Then there are very few clients that can actually handle a PSE, very few providers that can handle a PSE, so it all gets intertwined into this build a burger scenario of dissappointment lol.
I always saw GFE(which I do offer) as Kissing, cuddling, perhaps having a more in depth conversation, bbbj, something that allows you to escape the pressures of the outside world for a little while.
From my perspective BDSM is spanking, choking, and tying up.
PSE I would think includes bare back and all of the more unsafe stuff you’d see in porn
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