...I only know every provider I've seen and agency I've used wants the donation in an envelope. Those are the instructions on the web sites and/or others sources of info about their requirements. I know many gents here on TER say they don't/won't use an envelope and I wonder how they deal with the wishes of the provider/agency when they don't comply with the guidelines. I stated below I have no problem if the provider wants to count it in front of me. I do want her to somehow verify it's complete/correct before I leave. I do appreciate the trust they show by not making it obvious they are checking or by waiting 'til I'm gone to check it. I would not have a problem just handing over the cash but most say they would prefer not handling the donation that way.
The incident that happened to Sloane is probably more common that most of us realize. I think an asshole like that should be exposed on the boards so the whole community be given an opportunity to shun him!
I see in reviews, discussion threads , etc where guys remark that "..she never even looked at the envelope...", "... she didn't count the money...", and other comments indicating that this is such a noble thing. I really don't get it - I could care less if the lady opened the envelope in front of me and counted it twice before we start. What is the big deal here? I really just don't understand. It's not like either party can ignore or forget that they are entering into a transaction.
Why is it the custom, and an honorable one we are led to believe, to ignore the envelop and not count the money? If it became the common practice for every lady to check the contents before beginning, thiefs/assholes would be a lot less inclined to try such a bold act. Hell, the one time I shorted the envelope (I'd increased the time, but forgot to increase the envelope) I would have been much happier to have found that out before I was 5 miles down I-285 in rush hour traffic and had to turn around. Not to mention the extra $50 I felt I needed to add as a tax for being a dumb ass!
Do guys really mind if the lady counts the money before the session begins? If so, why?
would check tp make sure they are getting what is thier due - like Donna Summers said -
"they work hard for their money". I shorted a lady one time and when I realized what I had done I turned around and went back to make things right. Talk about embarassing! Since then, before I leave I insist they count it so there would be no misunderstanding.
I do believe it has something to do with LE. I think most ladies dont want to touch, go near, count or mention any money in fear that something could happen.
I have another question though, why the envelope anyway? Why not just put the cash down in plain site without the envelope?
Hugs and kisses
TL
I agree with TL on this one - just lay down the cash without an envelope. I have never used an envelope and no one has ever objected. As far a counting the $, when you go to any store, they count the money you pay with. Why should this be different ?
I have another question though, why the envelope anyway? Why not just put the cash down in plain site without the envelope?
Hugs and kisses
TL
...I only know every provider I've seen and agency I've used wants the donation in an envelope. Those are the instructions on the web sites and/or others sources of info about their requirements. I know many gents here on TER say they don't/won't use an envelope and I wonder how they deal with the wishes of the provider/agency when they don't comply with the guidelines. I stated below I have no problem if the provider wants to count it in front of me. I do want her to somehow verify it's complete/correct before I leave. I do appreciate the trust they show by not making it obvious they are checking or by waiting 'til I'm gone to check it. I would not have a problem just handing over the cash but most say they would prefer not handling the donation that way.
required nor asked for envelopes.. We rarely get them. Maybe 20% of the time. The rest,Cash.
tyvm,P.T.
I've been doing this off and on for 5-6 years and have never NOT used an envelope. I guess mostly out of habit, but also it, for whatever reason, feels a little less crass when using an envelope. But now that you mention it, if I hadn't used an envelope you wouldn't had to call me back that one time (see OP) would you?!?
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Im OK with or without an envelope.. But the gal should dicreetly go into the bathroom or while you are in the bathroom.. Should check out whatcha have
Most of my guys I know for sooooo many years.. They mostly pay at the end..
tyvm,P.T.
As I understand things, without clear evidence of payment, or discussion of payment, adult activities between consenting adults are only that. So it makes a lot of sense to maintain as much separation as possible between the two.
I recall one lady I saw whose website made it clear that upon arrival the gentleman was to use the bathroom, and while there place an envelope containing the donation in the basket she kept on the counter. Upon the gentleman's return she then went to the bathroom to freshen-up -- which gave her the ability to deal with the fee out of sight and without discussion. Anyone not following her script was immediately told to leave -- taking with him any envelope, cash, or other gift that he may have made visible in any way. Seemed like a reasonable way to avoid misunderstandings, while attempting to provide plausible deniability, and possibly something more of the ladies should consider.
That is a slight variation of what I usually do. I'll either discretely place the envelope on a table when I arrive and then go to the bathroom and shower, or leave it in the bathroom if the first option wasn't available. Of course this is for a first time visit with a lady - with repeat visits I don't feel the need to be as discrete, but usually make it a habit of doing about the same process.
Especially if I am seeing someone new. Just makes me feel better from a LE point of view.
Ladies who take the risk to see newbies should definitely check the envelope before the session. With respected members NO it's not proper etiquette to count the money in their face. I feel bad about what happened to Sloane, but clearly whoever screened that newbie clearly has no idea what they're doing. In this game we call the "Hobby" there's about 15% jerks and 85% good guys, i say to the ladies don't let the 15% of jerks spoil the perception of all hobbyist.
Do guys really mind if the lady counts the money before the session begins? If so, why?
So that's pretty good odds. I am one who doesn't want to touch the money until he's gone and I just feel tacky counting in front of the gent. I figure if somebody bigger and stronger than me wants to stiff me, he can do it.
I don't prefer the envelope so I can see. LOL I can feel of a stack of 20's in my hand and tell if it's $100, 200, or 300! LOL
I really hope the agencies use blacklisting. It's very helpful. OMG one guy went running out of the room with his shorts down around his knees when I came out of the bathroom before he got them up! LOL I can laugh about that now.
You also want to be careful trying to request the money after the fact because nobody wants an extortion or blackmail charge either! Word yourself very carefully when making requests to make things right.
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To leave the 'envelope' in a different room than where we're going to 'play' just in case she would like to discreetly check. It doesn't bother me at all. The way I look at it.......it's one less thing for her to think about, so our time will be that much better!!
I guess if she has the time to put it away, than if the 'unthinkable' happens and LE raids our room, then the hardest thing for me to explain would be....How this beautiful, vibrant young lady picked up this 'old man' at the local watering hole for an evening of fun!!
Stay safe & and be courteous,
bjohnson
...have my mistake or forgetfulness cause a problem. I want her to know I'm an honorable person that can be trusted to follow through on agreements.
fun to play with.
Smooches
I see in reviews, discussion threads , etc where guys remark that "..she never even looked at the envelope...", "... she didn't count the money...", and other comments indicating that this is such a noble thing. I really don't get it - I could care less if the lady opened the envelope in front of me and counted it twice before we start. What is the big deal here? I really just don't understand. It's not like either party can ignore or forget that they are entering into a transaction.
Why is it the custom, and an honorable one we are led to believe, to ignore the envelop and not count the money? If it became the common practice for every lady to check the contents before beginning, thiefs/assholes would be a lot less inclined to try such a bold act. Hell, the one time I shorted the envelope (I'd increased the time, but forgot to increase the envelope) I would have been much happier to have found that out before I was 5 miles down I-285 in rush hour traffic and had to turn around. Not to mention the extra $50 I felt I needed to add as a tax for being a dumb ass!
Do guys really mind if the lady counts the money before the session begins? If so, why?
Must be getting old and senile. I visited a lady I had seen once before. Well after I left 20 miles down the road I felt my pocket and had an envelope with money in it. I called right away and told her I was turning around. Her response was "You left me my gift". I must have loaded up 2 envelopes. If she would have said I cheated her I would have went back and been very embarassed. Maybe she just didn't think very fast, but I like to think she was treating me like she wants to be treated. And yes I have seen her several more times.