For those of you who have a difficult time figuring things out...let's try to keep this simple.

**The client found an ad that had the rate listed at 300.
**The OP knew of the ad. The OP's own words:
"an ad from "freepostsite", on my profile here"
On my profile here. Got that? Still following?
**The OP knew it was there because she ""flagged" the post there several times". So she was aware of it and what it said.
**The OP says she emailed TER to have the ad removed. Well it must have been on her profile, right? Otherwise why would she email TER to have an ad removed from another website?!?

So you have a client that researched...and picked the lowest published rate. A rate the OP KNEW about. There have been many discussions on this site about published rate differences of up to 300 an hour...based on where they advertise. So seeing different rates is nothing new.

Sorry...but it's no different than if you see a WalMart ad that offers a 50 inch HDTV for $50. Typo? Too bad. It's what's listed and they have to comply. I wonder how many people who have been negative about the client....would be the FIRST ones in line at WalMart, screaming about how they deserve their $50 tv?

That ends our fact part...now for the opinion part.

In my humble opinion....a smart provider...who KNEW the ad was out there...would have politely explained the situation and the outdated ad. She would have been VERY clear that it's not a problem, and she'd love to see him again, but the old ad is an issue and her rate is currently 350.
She'd "eat" the 50 bucks this time...in order to have a happy repeat client.
As it is now...she's gone public...there's a very good chance the client may see this...it may affect his review (if he even chooses to write one now)...and his willingness to see her again.
Short version is.....that $50 will wind up costing her more than she'll ever know.

Being good at your job is one thing.
Knowing how to run a business is something COMPLETELY different.

Just sayin'

It happens to the best of us. Upon further research, yes your rate clearly reflects 350HR.

I'm not sure how he made the mistake, i say give him another chance. If hes a "classy gentleman" he will make good on the 50 bucks.

So I entertained a gentleman today for the first time. I'm generally not one to "check the envelope", based on the clientele I try to entertain through my screening process, etc. After he has departed, I see that he has donated $300 for an hour of my time. My website, posted rate on TER, and old BP ad that I posted long ago, linked here, all say $350.

He sent me an email after our date, thanking me and requesting a future endeavor, very nice, before I had the chance to send same. In my response thanking him as well, I said it was uncomfy for me, but there was a discrepancy, I'm sure it was a mistake, etc.

In his response, he apologized and linked an ad from "freepostsite", on my profile here, that has my consideration at $300. I don't know that site, didn't post the ad, and have "flagged" the post there several times to remove it, to no avail. I have today emailed TER to ask if the ad can be removed.

So the question for the community. Given that my website, TER profile page, and other ad page linked here says $350, would anyone ACTUALLY believe this was an honest mistake? That's somewhat rhetorical, I suppose, but what say you? It's not about the $50, obviously, just the principal

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In that situation, as a client, it is always best to ask.

Because rate discussion can also be a red flag on the provider's end during screening, I usually lead with "Can you please point me to your correct rates?"  That removes the need to actually mention the rate in the flow of conversation (whether electronic or via phone).

Do I think the hobbyist was purposely attempting deceit?  Who knows?  I would think he would at least offer to compensate the difference now that he knows the error.  By pointing out the lowest of the three listed rates, that could be considered suspect.  Either it was an honest mistake or he knew exactly what he was doing and saved $50.00.  Only he knows the truth.  

I would be surprised if he didn't thoroughly review your personal website and read your reviews.  While you do have an ad that says 300 your more current and prevalent ads state 350.  So either he was incompetent an didn't thoroughly research you or he was trying to get one over on you.  Neither paints him in the best light.

I can't hypothetically put myself in your situation but just go with your intuition.  Best I can recommend is that he offers to make good (instead of arguing the one listed rate) or you simply don't entertain him again.

Even if that was a valid ad, the date on it is February 28, the date on another one with the higher rate is March 17, and your site says the higher rate. It's his responsibility to make sure he has the correct rate.

It was proper to bring up the discrepancy politely, as we all can make mistakes. It's always possible that he didn't intend to short you, but he bears the responsibility in that cae for not being as thorough as he should have been. If I was in his situation I would endeavor to correct my mistake.

Sounds like you're saying that there's an ad out there for $300 and it's linked to your profile.  That says to me that your rate is $300.

You know it's wrong and have admitted to trying repeatedly to get it removed.  Why would a guy look at 2 different rates and assume the higher one is correct?

made an honest mistake.  To me, the fact that he tried to defend shorting you is telling.  If I had made such a mistake honestly, I would have fiirst proposed to make up the difference somehow; I would have most likely provided you the reference that led me to the mistake, just so you knew it was still out there.  But since he was more interested in defending his actions than 'settling his account due' status (IMHO) leads me to the condlusion that he knew what he was doing all along.  I woulldn't see him again, and I'd refuse to give him references if he were so dumb as to try to use you as a reference with another provider.  Up to you if you want to out him on the provider board, you might just advise the ladies there what happened and warn them to check the envelope if they should agree to see this guy.

I have inadvertently made a similar mistake - actually I've made the error twice, truth be told.  

One time I left the consideration that was listed on TER, which I learned quickly is probably the last place one should look to determine current rates.  The second was a regular that raised her rates and I just simply wasn't aware of the increase.

In both incidences, I wasn't aware until I made a follow up appointment and the lady politely educated me.  I apologized, and more than made up for my earlier mistakes.  All was well.

I would bet my weekly hobby money that the mistake was honest.  If he wanted to rip you off, he would've left an envelope full of ones and wouldn't have contacted you for "future endeavors".

Unless he is a complete newbie it is fair to place the responsibility on him for having awareness of your personal site and not just being aware of the free post ad; so there is notice of a discrepancy; now that you have tried to explain he is further on notice. He can add $50 to his next visit for a total of 400, or visit someone else and do so without your reference. I guess your screening process can now be refined to ad the question "how did your hear about me?" as well as a confirm of the price at the time the appointment is made. Given the nature of the issue, I'm leaving principles of contract law out of this.  I'm sorry you have to deal with this and reluctance to immediately make it right give me a bad feeling.

And if he is a complete newbie, then he should still make it right even if he didn't know that it wasn't the correct price. You went to the trouble to tell him, and you are a first class lady(even if you do a jell of a Jenna Jameson impersonation in private) and the gentleman needs to step up or he is no gentleman.

Every one of your ads that I have seen provides reference back to your website.  If a customer finds different rates, he should not assume the lower rate applies.  It is his responsibility to confirm the correct rate.  If it was an "honest" mistake, it is easy enough to say I am sorry for the misunderstanding and correct the deficiency.  If he is too much of a tightwad to do that, I will make it up for you next week.  You are definitely worth a million!

I think it was good that you found out about the freepostsite, and hopefully can do something about it soon.  Passing judgement on the guy at this point, is wasted effort.  You both are going to have to agree to disagree and move on.  Hopefully he has learned to do his price checks better, if he wants to keep seeing a high quality provider like you.  Perhaps, unfortunately, you need to start counting (you can let your clients know your are putting the envelope away while he's in the shower, for example) to make sure you are happy in the future.  Or perhaps you can ask, in advance, which website was used for reference, to make sure correct amounts are being assumed.  Although I have not had the exquisite pleasure of visiting you, I hope you do not become tainted by this one client's less than diplomatic handling of the situation, because the vast majority of clients in this price range and above want to pay the correct amount and want you to be happy, too.

Seems a little odd--I think most of us check these things out pretty well.  But JohnProctor makes a good point--if he knew he was shorting you why would he call so soon after?  Wouldn't he just laugh on the drive away happy that he got one over one you?

However, if he didn't offer to make it up when you alerted him to the issue, which was clearly his mistake, and played the "gotcha on a technicality" game of one ad out of several (not to mention your website), then ask yourself if that is the kind of guy you want to spend time with.

JMO

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Well I guess I just made that mistake with a provider by asking about her rates.  Where does it advise you about not doing that? And I don't understand it anyway.  It's in writing, she posted it.

DD, you are spot on.  Risk losing a repeat client over $50 that was likely an innocent mistake somewhat of her own doing?  This falls into the "no-brainer" category in my book.

I just looked back at the OP and you are right in that the OP mentions that it is linked from TER. I had misread that as that the client had referred to the ad being linked from TER. That does change the situation quite a bit, as the client may have read just the ad mentioned and chosen not to follow the link to reviews here, and thus there is a perfectly plausible scenario wherein he had what he thought was a valid rate.

I think your suggestion is a perfectly valid way to handle the situation in this case, and I would suggest referring potential new clients to her personal site as part of the screening process in a response email to ensure that a similar situation doesn't happen again.

Certainly, some of your points are valid.  However, she also clearly states that she did not post the ad on freepostsite.com.  So, to use your example, if I stumbled upon a listing for that same $50 TV that was posted on a site not associated with Walmart, would I still expect Walmart to comply?  No, I am pretty sure they would laugh at me.  They may even escort me out  The difference is I'm paying before I leave with the TV and that cashier is counting every penny.

Maybe she should have mentioned that the rate was not correct, assuming that she did know the invalid ad was out there.  Communication works both ways, there is no doubt there.  I will also agree that this may hurt her, but she did come here asking advice.

Also, FYI, I have never met Brooklyn, so I am not sure I can be lumped into a white knight category.  I just posted what I would do in the same situation.

I wouldn't call it a mistake, I've just always considered it an item you approach with some tact.

Most ads will show the rate, but often times a disclaimer will also say to not discuss rates or use explicit descriptions for services...  It's kind of a catch 22.

I think one of the main points of confusion is because you have a BP ad to begin with where the rates on there can, and usually do, change multiple times a day as the ladies who advertise there are constantly running one "special" or another. So if I see a lady advertising on BP, chances are VERY good that she's advertising somewhere else too and probably with a different rate. I see it on TER all the time. The listed rate in the profile differs from the a rate listed in a BP-type ad. I'd suggest in the future only listing your rate on your website and have all the ads point to it. That way you only have to keep one page of rates current and don't inadvertently miss one. I try to avoid this by asking the lady if everything on her TER page is current, but I've even gotten chewed out for discussing that much on the phone too so there's really no winning when it comes to rates beforehand! Overall, sounds this was an honest mistake cause if a guy's willing to come off of $300, another $50 really isn't worth all the effort, bad will and bad word of mouth it can cause him in this hobby. Just my 2 cents.

If there is ambiguity to what your rate is...it is on you to clarify. I do
Not have a problemo on my rate in my business. If he thought you offered
A different rate a published different rate then so be it. There are so many girls
That do offer different rates depending on who the customer is. Maybe he would not
Have seen you at $$$.50.

Be clear.

No offense please.

Posted By: TheOnlyBrooklyn

So I entertained a gentleman today for the first time. I'm generally not one to "check the envelope", based on the clientele I try to entertain through my screening process, etc. After he has departed, I see that he has donated $300 for an hour of my time. My website, posted rate on TER, and old BP ad that I posted long ago, linked here, all say $350.

He sent me an email after our date, thanking me and requesting a future endeavor, very nice, before I had the chance to send same. In my response thanking him as well, I said it was uncomfy for me, but there was a discrepancy, I'm sure it was a mistake, etc.

In his response, he apologized and linked an ad from "freepostsite", on my profile here, that has my consideration at $300. I don't know that site, didn't post the ad, and have "flagged" the post there several times to remove it, to no avail. I have today emailed TER to ask if the ad can be removed.

So the question for the community. Given that my website, TER profile page, and other ad page linked here says $350, would anyone ACTUALLY believe this was an honest mistake? That's somewhat rhetorical, I suppose, but what say you? It's not about the $50, obviously, just the principal

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I know discussing the donation can be uncomfortable, but I suggest after screening to just remind the client what your donation is or you can ask the client if he read your personal site and went over donation information.  I know most do not like discussing it, but many clients can make this mistake.  If you hire a booker then they can discuss all the nitty gritty for you as well.  

Just My thoughts.  


Thank you,  
M

I don't find any fault in what the guy did, he answered an ad, paid what he thought was the requested donation, even sent a thank you email and requested to see the lady again, Now all the fucking white knights come out of the woodwork and predictably start slamming the guy.

In defense of Brooklyn, she isn't the one suggesting that we go out and hang the guy, her only question was "do we believe the hobbyist is sincere?" It't the white knights that are up in arms over this not the OP

My answer to Brooklyn is yes, he very well could have been acting honorably, his post appointment actions seem to confirm that. What you want to do about it is up to you. If I were the hobbyist in question and wanted to see you again, I would add the extra fifty buck on the next session without any prompting from you as I wouldn't want a lousy fifty bucks to ruin our "chemistry", but that's just me. I don't think he has any obligation to do so, it just seems like the class thing to do. IMO

OTOH if he bows up and claims that he never would have seen you if he KNEW that your rate was $350 than you have your answer as well, and your only real recourse is the eat the fifty bucks and write off the client. I am sure the fifty bucks is not a big deal, and the loss of a deadbeat client is no REAL loss either.

I think you have a couple of choices-

1) Put it down as a honest mistake. If you agree to see him again, make sure he knows and agrees to the correct rate prior to the appointment.
In this scenario, you are trading the short term reward for the long term relationship.
If he is honorable, he'll pony up the $50 on his own.

2) honest mistake, and require him to agree to make good on the original appointment when he covers the next appointment.
Still works but you won't know if he would have done the honorable thing on his own.
May or may not affect your future relationship with this client.

3) not so honest mistake. Request the client pay you before you agree to set a new appointmest.
This means he comes to you, pays the $50 and leaves. Then you are square and you will accept future appointments.
Not sure how I'd react to this one personally. Regardless, it would be tough on any future relationship.

4) he scammed you. Lesson learned. Never book with him again and move on.

That's it as I see it.
Notice all that advise without a single mention of all the he said/ she said speculation. It really does not matter. What matters is, what do you want to do about it? How important is it?

-cheers

situation.  He linked to the freepost site from her profile, which means he saw the profile, which has the correct 350 rate.  He also had the link to her personal ad, and the BP ad, both of which also had the 350 rate.  If it were I and I found conflicting rates, I would either get it clarified before agreeing to meet, or assume that the rate in her personal ad is the correct rate and that's what I'd be counting on putting in the envelope, if I decided to see her at that rate.  If unsure, it's easy enough to aks 'Hey, is the special rate on ad XYZ still in effect?" so she could confirm that the rate in her personal ad is the correct rate.  Again, the fact that he made no effort to recrify his error (either in picking the only source that said 300, or not getting it clarified up front) afterward tells me that he knew what he was doing all along, although his attempt at a second booking is curious--if he knew he'd shorted her surely he didn't expect her to be OK with seeing him again.  
And I also have never seen or met this provider, only trying to provide advice based on what I woould have done, i. e. tried to get clarification from her or assume the personal ad rate was the correct rate.  And if I'd had her point out to me that I'd shorted her, I'd have done whatever I needed to do to make it good, especially if I were interested in seeing her again.  You can call me and my ilk whatever name you wish if it makes you feel superior but I for one was just trying to give the advice she originally asked for.

I do believe that people make mistakes. I dont think it was a mistake on his part at all though. Either way I would definitely make sure each new guy read my SITE COMPLETELY before entering my door.  This way there is no confusion at all.  If they have seen another ad then they will know what the real deal is by making sure they have read your site. I am a forgiving person so I would give him another chance and just make sure he now knows the correct rate.
If he did it again, well then I would put him on my DNS list immediately.
Sorry that happened and hope this helps sexy lady
Hugs and kisses
TL

you could grandfather him in at 300 and keep him as a great reg! Especially he "F"ed really good! lol Just my opinion
Hugs and kisses
TL

I'm not a real experienced hobbyist, but asking about a donation rate, when it is available in writing, seems to be a no no.  I would add a disclaimer on your personal web  site that the "Freepost" page is a mistake, and not an accurate rate, and to please disregard.  Good luck.

OMG, I am freakin amazed at most of the responses in this thread.  This guy saw a legit looking ad and complied completely with its contents.  And the majority of the replies suggest "he" made a mistake, he should make it right, he should have looked for other ads, "she" should allow him to pay the difference or put him on her DNS if he doesn't... I can't even imagine how ya'll reach those conclusions.  Are you drunk?  This guy did absolutely nothing wrong and nothing unreasonable.  He answered the freakin ad, paid the advertised rate.  Period.  It is not his fault, or his responsibility to try and figure out if there are other "higher" rates advertised, if the ad is bogus, or any other crystal ball activity.

The entire episode is the provider's fault and it was her responsibility to get the ad removed, or knowing it was out there, to clarify her "real" rate at time of the call for the appointment.  Her failure to do this makes her a commonplace "bait and switch" provider, and a bad business minded person too.  There is no other "reasonable" explanation for what too place and I'm really concerned about those who think otherwise.

Any reasonable person would have interpreted the $300 post as the current rate and not thought anything more about it.  Profile rates are rarely accurate since profiles rarely change even when the contents are known to be inaccurate.  I can show you dozens of web sites that list one rate, but the actual rates being paid by most are less.

This provider knew the so-called bogus ad was out there.  Therefore, if she wasn't prepared to honor it, it was her responsibility to tell him and any other caller what her hourly rate was going to be.  Not the other way around.  Despite her claim, I doubt she put much effort into "really" trying to get the so-called bogus post removed.  It's not rocket science and it actually is fairly simple to get it removed if you really want it gone.  Happens every day.

I wish her and all the whiteknights good luck, but respectfully believe ya'll are way off base on this one and you've clearly lost sight of common sense.

sensationalistic opinion, I don't believe anyone will mistake you for a white knight.

the following: "Just exactly who appointed you as the "know it all" for the Atlanta community?  A ... askes a simple question, right? And suddenly as if you're the school teacher from psycho you decide to chastize..."

Sound familiar?

It should. These are your own words.

LOL, that's what is so unique about the Atlanta board... there is never a missed opportunity for controversy based on a wealth of ignorance... LOL ... but as you appropriately pointed out, and thank you for that, I'm not a freakin wimpy whiteknight who hides behind you know what...

I did give you a little a grief in the post you quoted, and stand by that respectfully because in that case, your replies were not based on any facts, just an opinion.  In the case at hand, it's different.  There are actual facts that easily lead to a reasonable conclusion, discounting of course, the wimpy whiteknights who seem to think that praising even the most ridiculous behavior of a provider somehow makes them more desireable in the eyes of the ladies.  If they only knew what many of the ladies say about them behind their back, they would be surprised.... such is life....

A reasonable person would also see the difference in rates an ask for clarification.

To each his own.  There really isn't a correct answer here, just a difference in opinions...

I think he did it on purpose to save $50.  I just saw you for the first time this week and had seen both rates.  I was going to ask, but thought that it may raise a red flag.  So I left the $350 and figured that I would ask the next time since we now know each other.  That being said, IMHO you are worth every bit of $350 and more Thanks for a wonderful time!

Women tend to be cheap.  Ever watch a group split
a lunch tab?  lol

...somebody's a grumpy bitch today.

Sir Cum

...to bring you the $50 bucks as long as I can finish what that guy started! HA!

Seriously, is it a deal?

Sir Cumalot

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an opinion, despite your insistence to the contrary.

Everyone is entitled to one, whether you happen to agree with others or not.

It's not your place to give grief to anyone for offering an opinion. In falsely accusing me of being "a know-it-all" of this board, you've simply just shown others that your guilty of the behavior that you falsely accuse others of.

showing Pwilley that he's practicing a little tu quo que (i.e. the pot calling the kettle black).

If the incident left you feeling as if you don't wish to see this gentleman again, then don't.  If you feel he may have made an honest mistake and would like to see him again, request that he arrive with the usual $350 donation next time + the $50 he owes from the last visit.  
Your course of action should be based on:
1) what you feel is fair and
2) whether you wish to see him again.

..and, well, I suppose that was accomplished!

1.  I thought this was a Discussion Board (scroll up, 4th tab), not a Battleground
2.  I was really just curious as to what other people thought, given the facts.  Very simple question.  I don't believe anything in my post suggested I was denying accountability.  I also don't believe anything in my original post suggested I was saying "Oh, poor lil' ol' Brooklyn!  Can a big, strapping White Knight come and save me???"  Puh. Lease.  I'm a big girl.
3.  I should say, as a gentleman, he did offer to "make it up to me".  BTW, not that it's anyone's business, but I responded that there was no need to do that should I have the benefit of his company in the future.
4.  GaGambler, as usual in my somewhat limited experience on the DISCUSSION board, you are a voice of reason
5.  I misspelled principle...grrrr!  (Side note: did you know 'misspell' is one of the 100 most often misspelled words in the English language?)
6.  That is all.  Back to my hole

What did you mean by point 6???  Lol
Hey its all in fun. Hang in there, keep posting, and make us happy
And you sweet brook can...

Count de Monet

Posted By: TheOnlyBrooklyn

..and, well, I suppose that was accomplished!

1.  I thought this was a Discussion Board (scroll up, 4th tab), not a Battleground
2.  I was really just curious as to what other people thought, given the facts.  Very simple question.  I don't believe anything in my post suggested I was denying accountability.  I also don't believe anything in my original post suggested I was saying "Oh, poor lil' ol' Brooklyn!  Can a big, strapping White Knight come and save me???"  Puh. Lease.  I'm a big girl.
3.  I should say, as a gentleman, he did offer to "make it up to me".  BTW, not that it's anyone's business, but I responded that there was no need to do that should I have the benefit of his company in the future.
4.  GaGambler, as usual in my somewhat limited experience on the DISCUSSION board, you are a voice of reason
5.  I misspelled principle...grrrr!  (Side note: did you know 'misspell' is one of the 100 most often misspelled words in the English language?)
6.  That is all.  Back to my hole

It's impossible to find all the sites that might have an ad for you. Some sites I 'belong to' are cases of "you need to pay us for your page on our site." "What page? Who are you?" Then they admit that they took info from a competitor, made me a page, then wanted to see if I wanted to drop the competitor in favor of the new site.  No Thanks has always been my answer. Don't do me favors, I am a capitalist pig, thankyouverymuch.  Email me a "Look what we can do for you" post but don't do something then expect to get paid. Anyrate....

There have been times in the past that I unintentionally underpaid someone (not necessarily in the hobby). When they made me aware of it, I paid the difference upon my next visit or even made sure I paid the difference up front before partaking again (mainly in cases of Dine and Dash by accident in college - too much blood in wrong head to think clearly).  I have been guilty of an honest mistake, so I'm inclined to give others the same leeway.

My advice s to Give him a chance to repay the difference on the next visit with the higher fee...If not, then see if he'll pay the higher fee on next visit (i.e., eat the $50 if you think he'll be a regular). If that's not agreeable... chalk it all up to experience.

Sorry it happened to you, but just be a bit more forceful about your fee for time.

Kosh

don't things like this just make you cringe!!!      Who's to say if he knew or didn't.    I check all the sites listed on TER to make sure there is no confusion....so he is suspect.......but it is listed (I looked it up and you are listed at a different price on the free site).   You can ask for the fifty or chaulk it up.   I know how difficult it is to get information removed from the internet.........it's virtually impossible!   so....I agree.....make sure "things" are clear up front......

This is one of the most interesting Discussion topics I have seen in here.  I am not a regular hobbyist b/c I don't have the extracurricular income to do it often w/ the women I would like to see, but wanted to throw my 2 cents in regardless.  

My take:  I wouldn't think the guy spending $300 would purposely short change.  This isn't the type of client seeing the women offering $50 quickie sessions.  It would take balls to short change and then proactively reach out to the provider to thank her for her time and schedule a possible next visit.  I am happy to say I've taken something away from this discussion, which is to thoroughly read the sites and if I have ANY questions, just ask so everyone is on the same page.

Carry on...and continued great times to all!