I am looking for Indies on this site to give me a hand. First off let me state that I am not in the "business". I am actually a client at times. I saw a provider recently and really liked her. It is so hard to find a provider that is truly the whole package these days. I know, I make it sound like more than it is, but for arguments  sake let's just say that I hate shopping, and I like to keep seeing the one that I like. We all have our preferences and I get that. I am not looking at finding a wife here as I am not delusional.  I have however formed some pretty good friendships, and find that part of the hobby more rewarding than any of the temporary physical fix.  
    I am trying to help a fairly new provider get a foothold. I want to do so the best possible way, so I thought what better way than to ask an Indies on this forum.  I had an at length discussion with this provider about her arrangement, and let me tell you that she is definitely smart enough to be an Indy if given the right direction. Safety is obviously her biggest concern. However, she is in a position right now where both her and I feel she is getting taken advantage of in a huge way. She sees it and I was actually mad when I heard the terms of her arrangement. I personally will not see agency girls for this reason. It's not because I don't find them attractive, but rather the fact that I'd rather see my gift go towards a person rather than an empire exploiting a person.  I obviously don't want to be involved other than getting her connected to the right advisor. I don't want to get wrapped up in which is better Indy vs. agency. If any providers read this and are agency, and you are ok with you arrangement, I mean no offense. I am not some kind of hustler or wanna be handler. I am way to busy with real life to get caught up in that. I really like this young lady, and want to try to help her the best I can. Whether or not she cares that I helped or not is of no consequence to me.  I have seen agency girls before, but my recent practice is not to even go there. Can anyone advise me how I can help?

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Hardly,
Why is it if a man tries to help an escort or any other female for that matter it is "catching feelings". I think this is why the human race is doomed. Is everyone so self centered that it hurts their pride to help someone out for fear of being labeled as falling for someone. I do it every day. I was born with that gene I guess. Plus, I work in a field that involves helping people. It just goes to show that even idiots see the girls bruh😎.

And obviously you didn't read the whole thing....... Oh wait maybe there's a reason...... Yep I knew it, you are young and something other than brains occupies upstairs.  It's all good you'll mature some day bruh😏

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Because if the other party were a male in this exact same scenario, you probably wouldn't be going the distance and posting on a message board asking for advice on his behalf. In other words, trying to be a knight in shinning armor.

Sure I would, and have. Although none of it ever revolved around male escorts because I am neither gay or curious. Hell,
I've pulled men out of bad situations before( homeless shelters etc...., but the person has to be willing to help themselves.  It's easy to see your not a person with a sense help without strings. Sure, I've been screwed over by many of people, but that happens only once. Can I say I find her attractive......absolutely, but that doesn't mean I am so enthralled that my reality is skewed.  It would be presumption to make such a statement without actually knowing someone, and really a bad place to share your insight fullness into the type of person I am. If I asked for an Indys advice, and no one answers I would drop it. However, trolls need to put their 2 cents in and project their assumptions. I guess that's the world we live in😐.

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Look to Senhor Bballs advice.

Exploiting is pretty strong.   Do you pay the provider a high price or a cheap price?  Give a tip?   I bet it is as cheap as you can.   Lol.    A lot of provider's work for an agency starting off and then go indy.
There is a lot of work and costs to set up a provider and no guarantee how long they will work.
Not every indy startup wants to put in the work, costs, find clients, and time to make their business a success.   When they do they make a lot of money.    It's a business and the market determines one's success.    I use both and like them both.    Tip them both.

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It doesn't have to be a male escort. It could be a plumber that worked for roto rooter or something like that. A similar situation would be this particular male plumber did some work on your house. Would you go as far as to ask them how much of that job goes into their pocket and how much they are splitting with the company? Then try to convince them that they're getting the short end of the stick and go onto a plumbers message board on their behalf and ask how can a plumber become independent?  

Pulling men out of a homeless shelter is not an apples to apples comparison.

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Thanks,
Insightful and intelligent....see there's an intelligent answer.

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Could not have said it any better Ginger! I am in full agreement! Much love and respect lady. 💋Lydia

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I once was a foreman(I'm not much for political correctness) on a jury that was a "He said, She said" type of issue(  Much can be said of Agency, Indy, White Knight, Getting Feelings, Just Helping another human being get a leg up on life, paying a kindness forward, and, yes, escorts are part of the human race, not pizza, etc. etc., etc.---  

Enjoy getting "out" around the country reading the posts of those with the same hobby interests---Atlanta, especially, as one of my special memories is of a lady who came through my lil part of the world on her way to you folks, there in the Hot 'lanta area_  If you look at my reviews, you might see the name of who I am referring ---she was dipped in chocolate at birth;P~~~

I was in the arms of an ATF, having been totally spent from our dance, and, like most women named "EVE"(not her name), she had intentions that she knew she was gonna hit me with from the get go)
Like being hit between the eyes with a foul ball, I was like, 'WHAAA?!" She said would you like to see my roommate, she is trying to get into the biz and is having trouble, and since you have been around a while in the hobby, she is hoping you can help her. Well, having this boo ful lady ask me to help a friend of hers was something that I could not refuse to do. After sobering up, from the company of this lady, not booze) I said, O, Lord, what did I do last night?" Then the pics arrived, and I said "HMMMM", a cutie pie) For the next year, I helped both of them with their college tuition, books, etc.  
Cutie said that she would NEVER be agency, as ATF had had BAD experience there. Well, I helped Cutie for all I could, and was at a road block( I then asked a leading NC agency lady(along with a former Ms. TER, that I think the world of) if she would take her under her wing and help, and being a fab leader of a bunch of ladies, both agreed) Cutie finally said "Yes", and off to the parties and races she went. Over the next year, or so, she got some traction, and then went off on her own, and fell in with a boo ful lady that convinced her to kiss "kitties" and moving away to travel the country charging !00s of $$$/hr. She now has retired, and I don't contact her, for fear of disturbing some pvt. life she has returned to, at this time)  

I left a lot out, but the gist of the matter was/is that I had "feelings" for her, and still do) She is a treasured memory, but I NEVER considered going the state/church piece of paper way( I have found "DIAMONDS" among the Indies, Agencies, Referrals, etc. Helping a fellow human being can be just that ---lending a helping hand in time of need, then smiling to yourself as, in this case, she succeeds)

There is always someone out there that knows WAAAY more than you do about your own business. Smh.

I only wished I made as big of a profit as people think we do!!

When she is ready, she will do this herself.  THEN you can help her.

You can tell when you meet an agency girl that is thinking about going Indy and when you meet an Indy that is thinking of starting an agency.  Here is a tell tale sign, they talk about it, a lot.  They ask LOTS of questions.  If she doesn't have a real interest, you can't give her one.  And here is the catch, this is very much a no dependency situation - she needs to have all the desire and curiosity herself.  As GT pointed out, it is a lot of work.  Consider how many times you have been or heard of a guy that was stood up . . . Guess why that often is - no back office keeping it straight and communicating with the client.  It is a lot of effort to keep it all straight.

I recall there was an amazing agency girl and she was the agency (as in, when she was done, so was the agency cause she was that much of their business), and she could have struck out on her own with a huge client base and been an instant success.  BUT she did not want to be Indy, cause she loved the part where she got up late and rolled in on the days that she wanted and just fucked.  She loved her job, cause she wasn't doing the back office work that goes with it, and that directly impacted her quality of life and enjoyment of the job.

Make sure your lady doesn't just want more money.  Maybe she also likes the hours, the fun, and the lack of responsibility involved in being an entrepreneur.

Really like what you had to say about Indy to give a more personalized experience.💋Lydia

With respect, I am waving a RED flag in front of you. My counsel is to drop this.  

I grew up in this business.  Then I ran an agency overseas during a career break. Now I am active hobbyist.

Ginger, Maci, and others have provided great advice.  Your story is a good one but an old one.  There is a well intended but misguided tendency toward a "white knight" approach by the dudes. Stay in it long and its happens us all - I am not singling you out.  

First, regarding agencies.  This area has some very fine agencies, GC, EF, SEC, LS, PP, and JFL. All have outstanding owners. Should a girl work within the system at these places they should do well.  At first glance, it would seem natural that the agency set up does not favor the girl. As mentioned before, there are many expenses that these owners take on  ---- and some risk, too. They handle it well.

If the girl does not have the drive on her own to be an indie, then don't talk her into it.  Trust me she will get there on her own if she is cut out for it.  

Be her friend, sure, if she wants and you do.  I would let her go her own path.  With respect, you should stay out of it.  Voice of experience talking.  

Good luck and best wishes