I had this happen a long time ago as well.  I told the lady I would only provide that info if she would also provide the same information to me and send me a picture of her DL which I would also check upon her arrival, in return for mine.  She refused, gave me crap about her safety to which I told her all about my safety too...   Needless to say, I never saw her, and she disappeared from the scene shortly after that.

You'll find that some of the screening tactics of a few girls are so far out there, that it just makes you want to laugh.  Interestingly, they will be the first ones to blast about "their" safety but refuse to provide anything whatsoever to promote your safety.  LOL .... Just walk away from those types... who needs them...

No doubt, what you described could happen.  Rare, but it's possible and potentially harmful.  Such is the world we live in where every action you take carries equal risk.  Who would have thought you could go to a movie and get shot by an assault weapon.  Or walk to you car in a mall and get mugged in broad daylight.  Or would have thought you could go see a provider and unknowingly be seeing a 16 year old.  Or someone who killed her boyfriend and is on the run.  Or maybe bubba is waiting in parking lot for you upon your arrival.  Years ago I once saw a girl who unwittingly revealed her real name who I later discovered was a cop.  

Suffice it to say, there are risks on both sides and as you suggest, trust your sixth sense.  And when mine tells me something just seems odd, especially with the demand for such personal information, then it's only fair that my safety receives the same level of understanding as what you expect.

True, especially since one is taking a fairly significant risk every time they drive on on the Perimeter where there are people who think that there is nothing wrong with driving 90mph even if it does endanger others.

I know, I know - what's "normal" in this business?  I have been hobbying for over 7 years and, yesterday, was trying to make an appointment with someone that I had not seen before. Her assistant asked me for my full name on my driver's license because the lady would check my ID at her door. This is the first time that this has ever happened. I have never done this, nor do I ever plan to do so. I politely refused the request and wished the lady well. Is this becoming the norm for newer ladies in the profession?

This was either Kendra or Kelsey...

That's weird.  Something must of happened to make her assistant start requesting that.  I know my assistant would not put someone through that I had already seen.  
She verifies the guy for my safety on the first visit.  But if the guy is verified as a repeat, then he is welcomed as an old friend.  
Everyone screens diffrently to the comfort level of the provider.  But I am very pleased with my new girl.

You have to do what's comfy for you but it's typically a matter of covering your address on the ID with your finger so the gal can simply see your name and picture.  It's not new.  I have a friend who's run an agency for 20 yrs and those girls are instructed to check the name and pic on the ID as that client meets for his initial appointment.  In fact date-check folks who use date-check are suppose to look at each client's ID as their date-check ID includes the last 4 digits of your DL and gals are suppose to be checking to be sure the person they screened is in fact the person in front of them.

There is an upward trend in this business of folks pretending to be other people.  Men sharing TER accounts so they can get VIP cheaper, using the reviews and history of others or perhaps if they are blacklisted they will use someone who has a clean slate to engage their appointments.  Again, I realize you have to stick with what's comfortable for you.  Having said that, IF you are willing to give up your name as most screeners do require, and you're using your real name, I can't see that covering your address and just showing someone your pic and name on the DL as a huge deal.

While one man is not every man... I once had a guy call from "his" house - he gave me a name, address, home phone, and work info for screening.  I screened and called him back at the house - he answered and I made the appointment after he checked out like a champ.  Problem was, I screened the guy who owned the house and the guy who called and made the appointment with me was in fact a man doing work in the guys house.  He was a pro at getting over on us after practicing for 3 yrs.  He was simply reading the owners information from the invoice in his hand.  The guy doing the work, the one who pretended to be someone else and showed up for the appointment is presently sitting in jail and awaiting trial for 13 rapes, 4 murders and one attempt of murder.  I am hoping that f'cker get's the death penalty.  

At the end of the day.  MOST guys are awesome and can't even imagine that someone would do such a thing to someone.  especially a woman.  But predators do seem to love us and will lurk and learn from threads about screening and how to get over on screening.  It's a vicious reality that you good men just can't fathom - but we deal with it all the time.  Please do what makes you feel comfortable and by all means take a pass on that which seems too intrusive.  But please don't be a harsh judge on those who go the extra mile (even if it may seem a paranoid mile) to keep themselves comfortable opening the door for a new client.  Every now and then I check an ID if I get "that feeling" it's not necessarily a bad thing to do.

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If you're new to a gal then I understand that she will want/need some basic info.
Repeat customer, different story.
I've been hobbying since the '90s myself, so I see a bit of what you're saying, but I am a bit confused.

To me, giving out my Driver's License Name is little different than filling out my name on her website form - which with the right software can give her all my info.  Some ladies I've met seem to have a photo memory - so if one of them views your ID, she knows where you live too. These are chances we all seem willing to take.

However, if a 'new' gal/service asks for my DL Number off the bat, I'd consider that to be a different kettle o' fish, because my numbers (other than my mobile phone and vitals) are basically off limits. DL# gets you easy access to all kinds of personal info that I might not be willing to share.

Then again, with the right online services, my mobile # could also tell her much more than my real name - burner phones aside.

I'm not sure if asking for full name is anything particularly new, but do Trust your gut feeling. It's called Experience, and has served you well so far.

Yes, to each his own.  This is a business of risk management, NOT risk elimination.  As is most of life.

All of what you say is the reason that the laws should be changed - for the sake of safety of both the provider and the client. It is unfortunate that the bad apples make things tough for everyone else, but part of it is because so much has to be done sub rosa.

for all parties, then at best you should see the DL of the Screener, Provider and Agency owner if there is one and everybody should exchange and hold each other's DL's to be returned at the end of the session.  

Otherwise the risk pendulum swings way against you.

If someone wants way more detailed info about you than they are willing to give, you start-out with a problem.

Besides just bringing your ID and wallet into a session is not wise, let alone presenting it.

To each his own though

I've always given my name, handle and references. If that's not enough... then paying for pussy has become to difficult and it's time to move on. But so far so good.

I am just one person and cannot speak for all and everyone.  But the post saying "it's rare" got me to thinking - how rare is it?  I talked to a professional screener and an agency owner and speaking for myself - I'm going out on a limb and say that at least one of every 100 e-mails I receive for screening and booking are from folks who have ALARMING histories - rape, rob, kidnap, stalker.  This is not including folks who are time wasters and NSNC doo doo heads, but actual acts that will raise the hair on your neck.  

Now, when I tour a new town, that percentage can go up quite a bit as the predators of THAT place are trying to see if they can use the fact that you are probably inundated with requests to the extent that they can sneak through.  Additionally, girls new to the business, new to touring, those who just went from using a screener to doing it themselves...  have an increased interest from predators and I think it may be as much as 2-5% in those cases.    Fortunately, most of you gent's are salts of the earth and would never even consider such things.  Unfortunately we have to be on guard for those who are.

I've heard all the arguments and am not trying to tell someone that their opinion isn't correct because it's NOT MY opinion.  My opinion is different not necessarily more correct but what you are comparing is not the same.  Someone looking into seeing me has years of history, pics, reviews, postings to go vette through.  We have only the info you provide at the onset.  Niether does the average client have their schedule and pics posted online.  Someone knowing my name can call every hotel in the city I'm in until they find me.  They know what I look and could print out my pic and take it to the front desk with MY NAME and tell them who's in their hotel.  Hell, they don't even have to be here, they can call the hotel and provide links to my site and correlate that to my name.  Or worse, wait outside for me to take a walk.  Having a client's name doesn't do that for us.  We are entertainers, we post ads, it's NOT the same.  Do what you are comfy with but don't try to equate one to the other.

Something else to consider - don't forget your a man.  Our clients typically walk around 6 inches taller and 50 pound heavier with a lot more strength and testosterone.  How many of men are intimidated by the physicality of the gal sitting across from them?  A LOT LESS than the average gal is when meeting a man.  If someone who intends harm somehow hacks through someone's screening process, we think he's there for a good time and in fact he KNOWS he's there to do ill and has that advantage as well.

I hear men's concerns.  Some will tell you they only see established providers who are documented as legit and therefore the fear of being robbed or beaten is likely mitigated.  TYPICALLY, their main concern is that they don't want to get arrested or exposed.  While that's a concern of ours, of course, our MAIN concern is that we are able to wake up tomorrow with a pulse and a pretty face.  I know many gals who were hoodwinked by one bad client over the years and if you ask them, they would gladly take a 4 hr trip to the pokey and mitigate their little misdemeanor case in court than to have to spend an hour with someone who abused or scared them beyond belief.



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It's what I would do if I were the provider.  Otherwise, how is she supposed to know you are you?

Unless I missed it, nobody has commented on checking references in lieu of providing real name on DL? I can understand a need for DL and other info if a gent has no references, but of what true value in terms of increased safety does showing a DL really provide a lady?  To use the oft repeated analogy, Ted Bundy and any other serial criminal all had state-issued DL's. with their real name.   Only way I can honestly see is if that info is shared or stored in case something does happen.  And if that is the practice, well, the one giving up the DL info is at a decided future risk.

Seems to me that if I, or any gent, can give sufficient provider references and a lady can verify my handle by simply sending me a PM or my sending her a PM or by her checking out my handle - then isn't how I have actually acted or treated other ladies more telling than my name on a DL?  And by sufficient provider references I am referring to ladies that have reviews, have verifiable websites, have phone numbers, have history, etc.

I don't want anyone to interpret this as a bitch, whine or anything other than my personal opinion that showing a DL is not all that helpful in terms of provider safety.  If I am missing something, please point it out. If a lady or agency has screening practices that make me uncomfortable, then I simply don't need to see them or her.  That doesn't seem too difficult to me.  

Sir, I do know where you are with this and you are not being whiney or bitchy - you simply don't live on this side of the situation and don't know all that we face or the tactics used against us.  It's understandable that good men cannot fathom what doo doo heads will do.  Getting a reference, knowing you were able to maintain a good posture with someone else does tell me that you are an experienced hobbyist and will almost certainly be on good behavior with me.  However, it does not deter someone from beating the crap out of the next gal or robbing her and her client.  Nor does it tell us that the guy who saw a girl 8 mos ago has recently been registered as a sex offender.  A gentleman who is blacklisted by his screename only need change his screename to start with a clean slate and wreak havoc.  This is a tactic used by predators.  Hey, if a guy walking around could be seen as evil from his looks, there would be no pedophiles or con artists - even BTK had somewhat of a steller reputation outside the home.  Some guys are capable of planning and doing the most ridiculous acts.  

It also helps to protect the rest of our clients from shenanigans as you will read in this first example:

A few years ago there was a gent who was a regular of a provider friend of mine.  Saw her monthly for 3 yrs and treated her like a cup cake.  He lost his job, moved to NJ, got a reference from my friend to see a gal (without providing her his name).  He saw her, left his umbrella at her incall, was asked to call before he returned to retrieve it.  He came to her incall that evening without calling first, she had a client in the room.  When she opened the door to hand him the umbrella - he pushed in, stole her wages for the day and took the client's wallet.

Just last year I gave a reference for a nice French guy I saw in Las Vegas one time.  His reference given to me was very solid.  He was a business man in his 40's, cuff links and a nice suit, and a complete gentleman.  I had a GREAT time with him.  I gave the reference 4 mos after our appointment, she didn't get a name and he beat the shit out of her.  In the hospital 4 days.  

In San Francisco there was a guy who saw MANY girls on good behavior so he had a list of references to burn through.  Then he used those references to screw over provider after provider who was willing to see him based on those references.  At the end of the summer he wrote an entire page post on how he accomplished this and how long he had planned it.  He knew he would be working in SF for the summer and was all too happy to list how many times he put ones in the envelope, slipped off the condom and went Bare BACK (claims he had herpes) or did CIM when he wasn't suppose to.  Or or or

I could write page after page of examples.  It's not uncommon - we see it on the Provider's boards all the time.  It sucks but folks are duplicitous.  Having someone's real name means if they hurt me, they can be tracked down and that helps to keep the potential bad boy in line - at least until he finds the girl who will accept his reference only screening.  It's disgusting I to think of I know.  But the simple act of getting someone's name, just a name, makes a HUGE difference in our culpability for unsafe decisions.  Nor can I expect my clients to be comfortable if I am not properly screening the gent's I have seen before them.    

Another way to look at this is there are a TON of providers and agencies who love providing services.  Part of the lure of this profession is the money.  We don't like the tag "just in it for the money" but money is part of it.  We are trying to earn. Therefor, we're not in the habit of simply dismissing opportunities to meet with someone because we are trying to be high and mighty or an absolute douche to deal with.  We want the business but some of us don't want to take a risky job and turn it into a higher risk job than it already is.

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You can write all the examples you want, and I won't dispute the validity of any of the examples.  But, you act selfish and unfair when you avoid any mention of why it's not equally important for a guy to also receive the same information from a provider who demands this detailed personal info.  With all the data you demand, you have everything needed for identify theft to take place by some unscrupulous person.  So until you address this from a sense of fairness, all the examples don't mean a thing.  Fair is fair and you don't seem interested in fairness.  Makes no difference that you have a stage name, a web with fake name, a phone contact probably untraceable, so where is your personal info to protect guys from the same potentials that you feel you are at risk about.

I don't see us in the same position and I can't see that I ever will.  You seem to have your hobbying in control and do what you feel comfortable with.  I do not recognize your situation as the same as ours because to me it's just not.  Just a few weeks ago in CT I had a guy show up for an appointment I thought I had screened and seen on the previous tour.  Instead the guy's former boss showed up as he made the appointment through PMs (the account owner let him use his passwords) and he wasn't the guy I saw before.  He didnt' realize from the PMs that we actually met as the appointment was made and confirmed by e-mail.  I didn't open the door for him, called him and told him I KNOW you aren't ABC guy and had to change hotels immediately.   I hate doing that or feeling like someone is trying to "get over".  Had I never met the real guy, his ID would have told me to it's not the guy I screened and really who knows what his intentions were if he's so willing to act like someone else.

We have verifiable work histories.  The ones who do this for a living are not likely to screw the guy in front of them and have to disappear or turn into someone else in order to continue working.  We are findable the next day and the day after that.  

I don't agree with you.  I won't agree with you and it's OK - that doesn't mean I am not being fair.    I'll continue to voice my opinion in civil discourse which is the point of the board isn't it?  You aren't being told you're wrong, and YOU are't being accused of being sneaky but the way you screen is just not right for me and some others.  The guy asked a legit question and I am letting folks know why, to ME, that's not the same.  Can't you in all FAIRNESS see that your opinion doesn't work for everyone else and leave it at that?  You said your piece - typically make sure you have the last word.  What more do you want other than for me and other screeners who ask for a name to agree with you?  That's not always going to happen but it's not unfair - it's allowing individuals to make up their own mind and do what's comfortable for them.  Yourself included.  

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Obviously, any business person can run it how they want.  Good luck with that.  I'm really sorry to see that you can't bring yourself to treat others as you want to be treated as it relates to your screening approach.  And yes, the board is imo a place for civil discourse and I think that's what has occurred.  No hard feelings... have a nice day.

Awesome.  No hard feelings here and while you would probably never let someone use your account - I hope it's never hacked and some jerk never uses your screename and review history to get over on some gal who can't wait to meet you  xo,e

I kinda lost track after reading "doo doo head."  While the meaning is not foreign to me, I think it is the first time I have actually seen someone use it in a sentence here.  

One other thing I just thought of.  Given the option of online renewal for GA DL, there could be as much as 8 (?) years between photo ID and what one currently looks like.  I could see where in some cases the discrepancy alone would raise concern.  (And you just know I want to say something about it putting us guys on equal footing with some of the ladies that use really outdated photos, but not everyone realizes I am irreverent this way)  

But bottom line, I liked the thread and found most of the posts to be interesting reading.

Its time for GaGambler to cut in and wield his cold steel blade of hard truth on this issue....
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Is this the new normal??
Posted by jimconsul2003, 8/1/2012 5:49:49 AM
I know, I know - what's "normal" in this business?  I have been hobbying for over 7 years and, yesterday, was trying to make an appointment with someone that I had not seen before. Her assistant asked me for my full name on my driver's license because the lady would check my ID at her door. This is the first time that this has ever happened. I have never done this, nor do I ever plan to do so. I politely refused the request and wished the lady well. Is this becoming the norm for newer ladies in the profession?