I found this forum and found it interesting, I think they describe GFE fairly, but most are defining PSE as someone who provides BBFS!  I was shocked to see that.  

Is that what guys expect now?  

I think a fair GFE provides.  
*  An un-rushed session.  
*  Multiple rounds.  
*  CFS.  
*  Full kissing.  
*  BBBJ.  

I call a GFE plus who offers all of the above but may offer maybe one of the extras from below. . .
*  CIM.  
*  BBJNQNS  (did I get that right)?  LOL.  
*  COF.  
*  Greek  

Where as a PSE offers EVERYTHING from both lists.  

What are your thoughts?  

I also know some girls offer rimming, but where would that be on the scale?  

Thank you,  
M  

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I said full kissing.  :-p  

Full on kissing.  

Obviously DATY.

What I consider GFE
kissing
un-rushed full service
bbj
daty
Multiple rounds.

what I consider PSE
bbj/swallow
rimming  
Greek
COF

PSE is wild monkey sex.  GFE is simulated passion and romance.  GFE plus and PSE could easily have the same services - just a matter of attitude.  COF to my mind is the only absolute requirement for PSE - because every porn movie has that.  

I don't think you are going to be able to define this as a menu list - as tempting as that is from a business process management standpoint.

Example -

"I am going to get on my knees and s*ck the c*m out of your d*ck" is PSE.
"Honey, Please stand up for me - I want to worship your c*ck" is GFE plus.

Same service - different attitude.  

PS - The morons posting BBFS as a PSE requirement are trolls; it's not something I expect or want.   Good lord these clowns need to get a life before they f*ck this up for the rest of us....

 


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I guess the big issue for me is in this forum how it is described as PSE being BBFS.  Is this what is expected?  I find this plain un-safe and do not see how any man or woman would want to offer that.  

...and others have asked if that's what it means but in every case I can recall here the responses have been no PSE  does not mean BBFS.

Some ladies turn to PSE when they are burned out and aren't feeling the passion any longer for gfe. They get away with the sensational acts of PSE. Just my opinion. I much prefer gfe.

Hold the nuts.  

 
 

I think BBBJTC / BBBJNQNS/ CIM would be considered GFE and not reserved for PSE.   COF probably PSE and Greek is really reserved for a date with someone that actually can or enjoys doing it.  Could be PSE but some girls even if they advertise PSE can't do greek.  Some that advertise GFE are completely comfortable with it as long as they are prepared in advance.    

PSE to me is more along the lines of COF, or any body parts for that matter, rapid fire multiple positions (not my cup of tea), loud not really sounding real screaming and overly loud uninterested moaning.  Just to name a few.

Not this forum, I posted the one I found it on, but I guess it is not permitted on TER.  It was some forum I found it on and many men described PSE as exchange of more bodily fluids, and being able to... well do it anywhere and in any hole uncovered.  

M  

Ok, I have to give My thoughts I find COF a lot easier then CIM (Coming from my days when I was a provider).  I found CIM a little more risky then COF, so is CIM along the PSE, I would think so.  

What do you find girls wanting to do more often?  Is it hard to find a girl who allows COF?  

I think if a girl is to advertise as a PSE in my opinion then she should be able to provide Greek n the event if Greek is YMMV and she may do other things it is what I call GFE Plus.  

The way I see it is when a porn star is hired for a job, she has to be able to do a lot for her "videos" and audience to entertain and those girls take some big things if you know what I am saying.  

So a full PSE if advertised as such should be able to bring it all to the table.  

But there are other things such as. . .    
*  Rimming.  Giving or receiving.  
*  Toys on her.  
*  Toys on him.  

Where do these things belong?  

And I have noticed some describe PSE as more of an attitude rather then a service.  

Thank you,  
M

My experience - COF seems to be easier to find than CIM as a menu item- probably for the reasons you indicated.  Though honestly - in the sessions I have had, most have done CIM usually spitting (in a discreet manner..) afterwards (quick trip to the bathroom...) - even the most GFE ish.  Though I have had a PSE that did not.  CIM doesnt seem to be a PSE/GFE thing.

TFG - Have NEVER engaged a provider who wouldn't give a nice show - even those who were really very GFE.  Never even thought that they would not.

Rimming/TFB - not something I have had a lot of interest in - but the providers who do offer it also seem to offer PSE (and PM).  The really GFEish providers - not in a million years.

There are obviously a lot of other things that can be covered -- DT, PM, WS, D/S, etc. etc. These are obviously PSEish activities - but not something that would be an expectation.  My feeling is that you really can't expect a lot of kinky stuff in a first appointment with any provider - need to develop a level of comfort and communication.  The LE aspects of discussing this stuff really make it impossible without knowing the person at least a bit.  Not certain how you do it through an agency - I would be interested in how you think that type of communication ought to work with an agency - since you are in a position to know.  

Off hand - sort of seems like an awkward conversation to have with whomever is on the phone scheduling this -  

"This is Joe - I want a two hour blonde spinner PSE with a large GS to wash it down with.... Hold the rimming and the D/S...."

My guess is that you are going to have a tough time establishing a mutual agreement between your providers and your clients as to exactly what GFE, GFE plus and PSE really mean without reference to a menu somehow which is specific to each provider

If I have a particular question that I am not not sure of I'm going to ask... however I don't think any of these question should be answered unless the guy is a well known hobbyist or someone who has already been screened.  

But to answer her original question most gals who offer CIM will offer COF.  

Most PSE providers I know offer one of the following services Greek, rimming, COF, CIMNQNS,  

Girl friend experience should only consist of kissing, full service, bbj or cbj, non rushed session.. I don't know to many wives or GF's allowing CIM or COF or most of us wouldn't be here in the first place lol

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You just answered the question for yourself.    CIM should be considered a  GFE and not a "wife" experience.  That is why so many of us married guys ARE here.  What wives won't do, GF's usually do.  In fact I will go out on a limb and say that I guess that most of our "wives" did more for / with / often with us guys when they were GirlFriends then when the ring wrapped around their finger and they became wives.  lol lol lol lol lol  So I do think GFE should include CIM as a menu item.  Notice we never see GFE $  PSE $$ WE "Wife"Experience lmao  

I wouldn't necessarily say a girl friend experience should include CIM.  

For example if I meet a gal at a library or supermarket and we date for a while suddenly she becomes my GF should I expect CIM from her? Fucking your GF is going to be more sensual, foreplay.. unless she's a freak and I haven't discovered it lol  

On the other hand if I'm dating Jenna Jameson then I would definitely expect her to allow me to CIM or COF.  

There are huge differences when it comes to having sex with a porn star as oppose to regular vanilla sex which is why I prefer PSE over GFE.

My experience (80's) - All the civvy girls I lured into my bed did BBJTCIMNQNS - and, honestly seemed to be proud of it - usually as part of 69 - and I would classify all of those sessions as being GFE.  Just part of sex.

NONE would even think about COF - or at least I didn't even think about asking.  Lord - I just did NOT appreciate being twenty like I should have ....

Seems sort of reversed in the "professional" world thirty years later... COF - easy to find; CIM less so

Remember my opinions are based off my own experiences they weren't swallowing the smoothie's when I was on the market lucky bastard.  

You view GFE differently from me, your civvy gals were swallowing every time you made a deposit, I can see how you would consider CIM as GFE

I think PSE is both lists, and I think of them in full (I want it all).

I do not think BBFS is PSE, it is something altogether different.

What does PSE mean to the provider . . . I think PSE=GFE=GFE+=Open Minded, it's all just marketing and fluff to them.  I actually ignore PSE on a profile if there is no greek or swalllowing, then it becomes a negative (either she is clueless about her services and their level/value, or she is duplicitous).

Rimming is also a different thing, not so much PSE as just freaky (good freaky).

Thanks for the feedback guys I am trying to decide how to set up menu options based on GFE, GFE+ and PSE.  

M