Evidently you didn't do too well on the reading comprehension portion of the SAT. Offering to provide a reference, which is industry standard, could scarcely be construed as arm-twisting.
I'm trying to figure out why a hobbiest such as yourself is so determined to defend the practice of giving out your own personal information. Could it be that you are the one who hung up on me?
The "simple" part is I wouldn't want to see a lady who is so ill-mannered that she would just hang up on someone who politely offers to compromise. The point that you refuse to see is that screening has gotten way out of hand, and trusting guys are putting themselves at risk. I noticed that you've never been able to come up with a compelling response to that one.
Good luck, girlfriend.
I've noticed lately how tightly all the girls have been screening. I've tried to see some new people, and I wouldn't give up any personal info. My God, did they get rude and pissed fast. When a hobbiest gives up the real name, home address, home phone, work phone, work name, work address, he is setting himself up for a mess of problems.
Yes, yes, I've heard it all before. The ladies say, go with a well-known, because we're trustworthy. Translation: Other guys have been stupid enough to give up this information, so why can't you? For a simple reason, I don't want to jeopardize my entire life, career and family for a piece of a$$. The lady has everything she needs to turn your world upside down. All the hobbiest knows about the provider is a fake name and a disposable cell phone number. Sure the ladies need to be safe, but how is the client ever going to be safe?
If the $hit hits the fan, no lady is going to worry about protecting a bunch of guys if it's the difference between going home to bed or spending the night in the Fulton Co. lockup.
The answer is that if you don't want to give them the info, you don't have to. And if they don't want to see you because of that, they don't have to.
You can find the low-end ladies who will do you for less bucks and with no screening at all, but what do you get? Less service. This is a supply and demand situation. If the good ladies all feel the squeeze on their safety to get them into this screening mode then that's the breaks. When times get scary do you really expect them to just get a call from Joe Schmoe and show up at a hotel room in 15 min. without concern for safety?
Ne screening is fool proof, but if the shoe were on the other foot...?
Well said, DH. I, too, was a little leary the first time I went through a "screening" but quickly realized that these providers are oputting a lot on the line as well. The board here provides a pretty good level of confidence that the girls we deal with are fair and honest - they really don't have much in the way of checkin' us out.
Bottom line is if you don't want to give out information, you don't have to.
Think you missed the point dickHead. What you are saying is that if I don't want to give out personal info, and she wants it, we both move on and everyone understands the other's position and we behave like adults. That hasn't been happening. This a recent real conversation I had:
Me to well-known lady, "You know, I'm not really comfortable giving out personal info. I've got a reference from your friend, X." (X is a well-known lady, too)
Well-known Lady, "Well, I'm not going to risk my life by having a stranger come to my house!" Click. (sound of phone hanging up)
I've had this same conversation twice in the last two weeks.
As far as safety goes, you've missed the point on that one as well. You're saying that the provider should be safe, but the client should not be. I would gladly give out verifiable info to the lady, if she gave me the same info. That way we're both on the hook. But we all know that's not going to happen. So you've deluded yourself into putting yourself at risk in exchange for her safety. I'm not that crazy.
More bluntly, you want what she's got? You supply what she wants so you can get it. Get it? She wants bucks and she wants info. You leave one of those out... you're out.
Let's see... You write, "Me to well-known lady, "You know, I'm not really comfortable giving out personal info. I've got a reference from your friend, X." (X is a well-known lady, too)
Well-known Lady, "Well, I'm not going to risk my life by having a stranger come to my house!" Click. (sound of phone hanging up)"
Seems to me she asked for personal info, you told her you were'n comfortable giving it and tried to twist her arm into accepting something else. She didn't buy it.
Now let's look at something else... You wrote, "I've had this same conversation twice in the last two weeks."
Now you are starting to look like a slow learner.
Here is some free advice for you. If they want info, either give it or don't plan on seeing them. It's really quite simple once you get the hang of it.
I always get a kick out of reading these threads. The back and forth hash is hilarious.
Evidently you didn't do too well on the reading comprehension portion of the SAT. Offering to provide a reference, which is industry standard, could scarcely be construed as arm-twisting.
I'm trying to figure out why a hobbiest such as yourself is so determined to defend the practice of giving out your own personal information. Could it be that you are the one who hung up on me?
The "simple" part is I wouldn't want to see a lady who is so ill-mannered that she would just hang up on someone who politely offers to compromise. The point that you refuse to see is that screening has gotten way out of hand, and trusting guys are putting themselves at risk. I noticed that you've never been able to come up with a compelling response to that one.
Good luck, girlfriend.
Young, but not so wise.
You seem to forget one very important thing: Pussy Power. You want it. She's got it. She makes the rules, and she does the screening. Your risks are ridiculously miniscule compared to hers.
You want a compelling reason to give her your name and phone number?
When someone calls me and doesn't want to give info, it leads me to thinking that they aren't serious in the first place. Or they're up to something. I don't know what you're afraid of, but I can't see a provider turning your world upside down unless you've really done something awful to her. Telling on you would be telling on ourselves. We have lives outside of the escort biz. Many of us are students, career women, housewives, moms, etc. and do not have the time nor patience to stalk clients, their families, or co workers.
Maybe you will feel comfortable giving your info to a non biased third party like Room Service 2000 or Verified Clients. They do not give out your info and most providers will feel comfortable using them as references.
The providers use one another for references. That means many women are keeping our personal info.
When Sensational Services got busted, a month later, Layla called me saying a certain woman was available. First of all, NEVER CALL ME, second, she kept my info or she could not have called me.
There are procedures to keep from getting busted without knowing who the guy is. There are plenty of women that use those procedures as well as the brazillians and the AMP's. There are too many women that don't need my info for me to give in to some women that wants my name and work info. That ain't gonna happen.
And it is not my loss, it's her's. I still have my money.
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that has happened to me before too... I never give out my Personal Info, sometimes I even use another name. I have no problem sending a provider a nude picture of myself showing that i'm real or doing anything else prior to meeting.
I had a provider that called me every few days asking when we're going to meet again. She even called me once saying she got busted the night before. I just thought why are you telling me this? There is no need for a provider to keep a clients phone number. Just setting clients up for a sh!t load of problems if they get busted. I'm sure they don't want clients posting where they live at.
There is so many other ways around requesting personal info.
First of all, something "awful" is relative. Is posting a bad review consider awful? What about saying someone is a bad kisser? You never know what's going to set someone off.
Second those third-party services are a scam. You pay them to verify you, then when a provider calls for a reference, they say, "Oh yeah, Joe Smith 1775 Maple St. his wife's name is Susie". Those places are even more risky than going straight to the provider.
You write, "I don't know what you're afraid of, but I can't see a provider turning your world upside down unless you've really done something awful to her."
Wake up and smell the coffee. The info you ladies ask for can ruin a dude real easily. There is a trust thing here. Even though the lady can insist on the info and if the guy doesn't like to give it, too bad, no date. But to think that you can't see the world turning upside down is really shocking.
Perhaps you ought to do a search on Operation Flea Collar a get a hint as to just what LE can do with some of that information. And let's not forget that age old axiom...Hell hath no fury...
We are fortunate that most of the ladies in the hobby are above all that. But this whole thing is a leap of faith issue.
sweety before to give all the info that we need , check first the lady s' review make sure she is not doing the same thing to another clients .IT TRUE YOU CAN MEET SOME CRAZY "FATAL ATRACTION" LIKE THE MOVIE. BUT DO NOT BE AFRAID WE HAVE TO SCREENING. WE ARE IN A PRITTY RISK BUSSINES !.
LE is not interested in who we have listed in our books or records. They are only interested in busting a provider and making money off the bail and fine, which then justifies their job. I know this from experience. I run an agency that was busted once (about a year ago) and they could have care less about any records I had. They were interested in the girls who were working and looking for drugs (which we never had around-that's where they make the most $$$). They made their bust and got $$$$ from the fines we got (all misdemeanors).
Unless you are a well-known personality (not just in your own mind) AND get caught in the act, they don't care. Heck, most of them see providers on their off-time.
Why did we get busted? Because I got careless and didn't check references on 1 guy who happened to be a cop. I know they (cops) call regularly, I've got a list with names and alias's and they don't get appointments because they don't want to go through the screening process. They try using fake names and want to schedule right away with whoever is available.
The providers are the ones with something to lose: a police record, a fine, losing their lease, etc.
Clients should protect themselves by reading reviews and making sure the provider(s) and/or agency has a good reputation. That way the potential client can feel comfortable giving his personal info. The only reason I keep records is so that I will be able to verify a previous client from 6 months ago (my memory is not that good) or to give a reference for other providers who call and ask for one after a potential client has given me as a reference. Anytime I can get a reference from another reputable provider I don't worry as much about the personal info on the client.
Also for you providers who do not or will not give references... you're hurting yourself and the business. You're afraid of losing business to another provider-so what! Usually when I call a client back and tell them the particular provider will not give a reference for them the client gets frustrated and angry. Chances are they won't see you again anyway. Guys like variety. If a client is a good, decent guy why not tell other providers?