I'm probably gonna upset and piss off a lot of people with this post but I just finally had to speak out.
I have included the link to another post from someone who feels quit similar to me.
I feel the board was specifically set up so that us "more senior" gents could have somewhere away from the BS and ridicule on the General Discussion board. There are things that effect us as we age. Sometimes we need to talk about them. Now, I don't care if someone comes in and tries to get a little information and share some solutions and suggestions. I don't even care if they are under 60. What I do care about is the fact that they are civil and respectful.
I just feel that the board is moving away from its original intent and becoming another "advertising venue" for the ladies. I know you have quit posting pictures and web links together so I guess it can't really be considered an ad, but still............
I appreciate beautiful, mature women just as much as the next guy. I just don't want what I think was the intent of this board to be lost or forgotten.
This isn't intended to be a personal attack on anyone. Please don't think of it as such. Just my honest opinion.
I did try but I did not see any posting here poking fun at our seniors just thought seniors should have some fun too sorry maybe your right this should be a more serious board sorry I stirred things up now back to the medical issues sorry for the interruption I really did not mean any harm
I don't want you and the other ladies to quit. I just don't want you to overrun us. Does that make sense?
I would prefer something more like a well mannered, civilized "local board". Maybe we were just overwelmed with the response from the MANY women who are looking for somewhere they could post without being subjected to the denigration I have seen on most of the other boards. Seems like if a woman speaks her mind she is generally bashed down and humiliated. That just isn't right.
You are still welcome here. Just slow down a little and don't forget what the real reason for the board was. When we post something concerning aging, help us out if you can. Don't start so many new threads that it gets run off the first page quickly. Give us some time to get used to our new popularity. Its not often us older guys are in demand.
That's me speaking for myself. Can't talk for the others here. They are all men and should be able to speak up.
Victoria, please don't give up. I, for one, believe that this board has become far more interesting and informative in the past month. There should be room for a wide range of topics which relate to 60+ and to boomers who are about to reach 60. I don't think the prior posters on this thread speak for a majority of us. Perhaps the moderator could conduct a poll on this issue.
here is the poll Numbers i did them already of the 95post I made it brought over 4 times the amount of of reads than pryer to my posting this from Nov 29th until today 600 including mine but never meant to pirate this board just wanted everyone to have a good time and also be kind and helpful towards each other ......I made some wonderful friends I never would of met and for that I am greatful on a lighter notr I do need a break my old back has given out from sitting here over posting LOl maybe it's Gods way of telling me to stop.....kisses to everyone V
I originally posted this comment in an earlier thread started by Victoria where it was lost in a bunch of comments by ladies endorsing the suggested changes. I am moving it here where it may be read. I think there should be a baby boomers board. Just don't move in here and pirate a board that served its purpose for us older gents. Victoria says nobody posts on the Books and Movies Board. Go PIRATE it.
Victoria,
I like the life you have breathed into this board and I think that a board is needed that is more civil than the General Board. However, there are a number of us that do have health issues and other issues common to mature men. For example, how do we locate providers that enjoy servicing men over 60.
I liked this board because I could ask questions or make comments to others' questions without feeling out of place. Now you are trying to make this board into something entirely different. And we clients with age related issues will be forced out again.
Why don't you petition the powers at be to create your own board. I will participate in it but I want to be able to come to this board for issues that are boring to the people you are trying to attract.
I am already intimidated by the people that you have attracted. I learned something yesterday regarding a common health related issue that I want to validate with the other gents. Since it would bore all the newcomers, I won't bother bringing it up.
never wanted to be a pirate so sorry huggybear and I only wish you good heath dear peace out! I guess girld just wanna have fun and I was looking for some new friends I am very sorry to have upset you
i had no idea that there was a TER policy that this board was exclusively gentlemen only and for their discussion of the issues of aging. can someone direct me to that policy? i don't see (any? much?) evidence of ridicule of older gentlement here, but then i haven't read every post.
i had thought that this board might actually be a civilized refuge from the GD board. there it is quite common for conflicts to develop about what is proper subject matter for the board. the language surrounding that conflict on the GD board can most charitably be described as unrestrained.
my take on the ladies participation here was that while there might be some advertising to it, it also seemed to be... well... fun. i frankly have no objection to there being some marketing on the part of ladies who wish to attract a more mature clientele. on the old regional boards, an effort in that direction would likely be met with much noise. now that the ad boards are separate, it is less of a problem.
but my greatest disappointment is that even on a board as seemingly civil as this one, there seems to be a need to control content on the part of some users who are extremely easily offended by any use of the board that differs from their personal concept.
and I did go back and look at the 5 or so pages of posts here to see if there indeed was a trend towards negativity. And the only thing I can see is some lighthearted banter with the ladies taking "charge". And frankly, just as I have seen on the GD board, when a lady expresses her "opinons" too loudly (or in some cases at all), she is told to beg off.
But since I am not 60 yet, I suppose I shouldn't be commenting on how another guy(s) are viewing the changes here. Perhaps if I had a specific medical issue I might indeed feel differently. But I can't see, and again pardon me as I am not quite 60, how this banter is precluding anyone from asking questions of that nature. And frankly, having the gals around may indeed provide different insights into medical type issues (as I have read some of those already).
Frankly when TER announced the separation of discussion boards and ad boards there was a fairly loud outcry of expected poor results. I can tell you, at least in Chicago, that certainly does NOT seem to be the case. And I suggest that for those fellas that are concerned that the ladies are "pirating" this board, give it some time and actually see where this goes.
All you need do is look at the fairly consistent posters here, and you should feel comfortable that, at least today, the guys/gals that love the "train wreck" type bashing threads will stay in the GD asylum. But if they start to invade here with the silly sophmoric beahvior, then I absolutely concur with the sphinxnc commentary and concerns.
and i assure that being 60 years old is well in my past. so while you may be a little younger than 60please understand that my "youngster" is just a kinfly intended joke.
i agree that this board is pretty insulated from "train wreck" behavior. folks who want a trin wreck know where to go: GD, regional, or RO. i don't see any evidence of disrespect for seniors here.
there is also much more to aging than medical issues.... and i have some. but i am much more likely to discuss them with my physician than on any internet board. i used to be more open about them. i discovered that being "open" about such things sometimes does not work so well.
I have PM'd with guys here that are my kids ages (mid and late 20's) and really have enjoyed the banter with that age group. But clearly those guys have NO interest in this type of a board. But yet discussing the hobby from someone that young's perspective is just as interesting as discussing the hobby from someone 10+ or more years my senior. And all of the disparities of how various age groups view this hobby is interesting, to say the least.
And to hear the gals discuss their views on seeing guys 60+ is an insight that, without this board, would only consist of the "hooker babble" posts of how they love this group on the GD or other boards. I honestly feel that the posts here are generally more "sincere" in how a lady actually feels, as she isn't looking over her shoulder at every schmuck on her post who is condescending the entire thread.
It was deemed an ad and taken down with a few other ladies posts. I moved on and didn't come back feeling very unwelcome. How long has this board been up and how many posts are actually here. I was interested in making lighthearted small talk in a new friendlier atmosphere than the General Board.
I agree there's been a little to much emphasis on pictures but the ladies are trying to get more gentlemen interested. I guess trying to hard can be considered a sin at times and some men feel a little hustle. I don't think it was done intentionally and can be quietly put to the side. I didn't post a picture for that one reason.
Being an older woman with tons of experience my web link was so that gentlemen who wish to visit my site and blog could do so. With experience comes a wealth of knowledge to share. I'm open to do that and so are many of the other ladies coming here. You are one man god knows how many I have kissed and bedded. LOL
Please do read my blog to see what I can and would like to offer here without seeing this as goods for sale or a hustle. I'm a lady who doesn't take herself so serious that she doesn't know how to laugh at herself. That's an important attribute for anyone but especially for an aging population.
I just posted pics here for the first time the other day. I did it for fun. Not for advertising purposes at all. Let's face it, the majority of the people in here are from all over the place. So when us ladies post a photo, it is a fun way to tease and share some sexy photos with the guys.
There is enough room on this board for serious discussion and lots of other things too.
I think you have just as much right to post here as anywhere else, since there is nothing in the fine print that says, women can't post here.
If it weren't for us pusses, this world would be totally down the hatch...!! If there were nothing but all men around, then they would be complaining about not having a woman around. Can't please them all.
Just ignore the disrespectful and carry on with the ones that are interested....!!
Please note that it's the mod that pulled your post and picture. That should in no way make it seem that you were not welcomed by those of us that post here regularly. Please keep on posting.
actually thats not a bad idea. This is a little OT but why not have a NON alias board on TER where people feel comfy posting and knowing whos posting back. Your post made me think ...sorry for the OT thing...I guess this belongs on the suggestion board.
As far as the other issues...I haven't been around for anything but just an outsider looking in.... why not take a vote? The majority wins...and the men decide. I say men because this was their board first. I am not sure why this was created but I common sense suggests it was for the men of this site who are over 60. I think the ladies add some spice here, but my opinon means nothing. If they are not wanted I am sure that can't be good for them or the men. So vote...and then let it lie.
Your right hiddenhills and I sure hope it stays that way. That was exactly why I stopped posting on the general board.
Mature forum with a few manners to boot .... Did you say i'm on TER or did i get lost and take a wrong turn. They say men never ask for directions but on a more personal note, in my experience any man not made to feel foolish or out of place will speak up. I think were at that cross road. I'm a good listener and many ladies have much to add. You can get text book facts or you can get hands on knowledge from women who have dealt with many of the issues you might encounter. No nasty alias hopefully will confront anyone here. We ladies gain first hand feedback on how to handle issues we may not have privy to ourselves.
...I liked how this board was going. Mature civil discussion, and (like TER was 10 years ago), providers who actually felt comfortable conversing and joking with the guys. As opposed to the general board and most regional boards of late, where nobody can say anything without some alias with the word "drunken" in their moniker trashing everything that is said.
Anyway, thanks for chasing off the one provider who totally felt comfortable conversing and joking with us. And as someone else said, she "breathed life into this board"...
I'm not aware of ther being a limit to the number of issues that can be discussed. What's wrong with a forum where ther is civil room for both? No one is forced to read every thread or comment on them. If guys want to limit themselves to their medical problems, they have that option. Victoria brought a new dimension, and many more female participants, to the discussions. I enjoyed that. I also enjoyed the photos, and hope they continue. I noticed not one provider has posted anything since this came out. It's all of our loss. Victoria,don't be so sensitive that you let one or two guys run you off. I think I'm speaking for the silent majority here. I think all of us is better than any of us. Let's hang in and support each other.
There's room for a broad range of topics and posters on this board. Nobody is prohibited from posting about "A" just because someone else posted about "B". We just need to keep a good balance so that everyone feels welcome, and that definitely includes the ladies, the same as every other board.
The only possible objections I can see to the way things have gone recently is that posts asking for advice or recommendations can get pushed to the oblivion of second page before other people have had a chance to see them and respond. Most of us have a life outside of TER so if we don't check in for a while, a lot can be missed once the pace of the board picks up. But this is no different than any other board in this regard. Maybe it just seems like a bigger issue because we're older and move slower.
The other observation is that since this is essentially a general discussion board, just age specific, the same basic rules should apply regarding provider ads. A lady's participation here is, in effect, her ad. And if she includes a photograph with a post, well, that's just nice eye candy. Where I think we could get into trouble is if this board is viewed as a place where the rules of the other boards don't apply. Because that will create problems in the long run as more and more providers vie for visibility.
If we follow the same basic guidelines as the GD Board, except w/o all the insults, rancor, and immature posts, we ought to be able to serve everyone's information needs and still keep this a friendly, active and welcoming environment too.
Will you guys answer this question for me? I'm sure a few think I pirated the Phx board or I'm "advertising" I know one person does lol.
I don't advertise anywhere, I'm strictly UTR I've already got a full plate with my fitness stuff so this is just part time. I get emails requesting me to post from gentleman all over stating they love my wit sarcasim and posts in general. Plus I love to write it calms the savage beast in me and forces my brain to work
Since I just came over here, I'd like some basic guidelines from the veteran posters on here so I don't step on toes. As in do you just want posts pertaining to hobbying for the older crowd or can some general questions be thrown in for response opinions?
I have not participated on this board yet, but have been reading it. I have to agree with Sphinxnc, when a lady posts post after post after post, and pretty much takes over the board...well, then yes it IS turning into yet another advertising venue for her.Especially when the posts are pretty well, for want of a better word a little silly...just an excuse to add a link or picture.
Not being petty, but it is becoming quite blatant with some of the posts by certain ladies. that, well "busines is slow, so let me use this as another advertising board".
Like sphinxnc, no attack intended. Just an observation. It is nice to have the ladies participate, but PLEASE don't overdo it. We may be old but not fools and can see through these ad tactics.
I can't think of a single post on this board that was off topic. I'm sure now that I've said that someone will find one. It seems that always happens. If so then "my bad" as the kids would say. The point is if there is one it is so obscure that it doesn't matter in the total scheme of things. I don't see a problem with the way things have gone the last few days. The ladies that came around were for the most part more mature. The topics were focused on being more mature. I think there is room here for everything that each poster expressed as a focus for this board.
To the poster that thought some of his questions might now be too boring or uninteresting for the newcomers I say it's still the place to ask. We have all said it's an accepting board where civil discussions can take place. Ask your questions, someone here will have info for you and others will understand. They know where they are when they get here. I can't see a provider not wanting to hear about it as it would serve to make her a better companion for the more mature clients she has. A perfect example is the question posted at the top of the page now about penile implants. Posted by a provider so she can help her client and they can both enjoy the time together. Don't know about you but that post makes me wish I were in her part of the country so I could see her.
I believe the concerns expressed by some are valid. They have now been brought up and mature adults can be cognizant of them and see that the negatives don't happen.
I saw the post about some things being pulled. I wasn't aware of anything being pulled until the post about it, but that was a mod decision. I think an explanation on the board (by the mod) about it would be a good idea but that's just me. I can see the side of it being considered an ad. Point is now let's just keep on keepin' on. (Is that phrase showing my age?) We can keep this board as it was intended and keep everything that has been happening recently.
Ladies, keep coming in to join us. Keep asking your questions to those of us that can be described as "having snow on the roof but there is still plenty of heat in the house". There is much we can learn from each other. That's my two cents, xyz23
i understand why the mod pulled it. i think the person who made the OP in the pulled thread understands it also. it contained a pic and a link and the text of the post had a passage that could be construed as an ad. so i think the mod pulled it because there were two few factors that could distinguish it from an ad.
I hope you don't mind a lady, well "under" 60, giving her opinion on this subject. Don't worry, I don't have time to be an avid poster.
I read this entire thread and then, I decided to see for myself if there's a trend. The following is my conclusion. Prior to the last 3 weeks (give or take a little), there seemed to be some periods of sporadic postings. It appears that there were times when at least 3 or 4 days would go by, without a new post. In my opinion, that's a slow board. But hey, if that's what the gentlemen prefer....
Approximately 3 weeks or so ago, some of the ladies decided to pop in and liven up the place. Kudos to them. This is the problem I see though. Nearly every post has been started by a lady. To me, and this is only my opinion as a bystander, the gentlemen pretty well stopped posting new subjects. Instead, they replied to the ladies post.
Personally, I don't see an issue with the ladies posting on this board. However, I do feel that it should be in moderation. I don't think that the ladies should take over the board. If they respond to posts or if they have a question that would pertain to 60 and over, that's fair. Concerning day of the week photos etc., I think that should be prohibited on this board. The gentlemen can visit their regional board, if they're interested in that.
An additional point I'd like to make is age. I understand that this is a 60 and over board. However, if you want participation from the ladies, you're going to have to let the age slide a bit. There's not allot of 60 and older ladies that participate on the boards, at least to my knowledge. Therefore, I don't see any reason why a mature lady, under the age of 60, can't voice her opinion or ask questions.
I hope I'm not intruding by giving you my opinion. If I am, I apologize in advance.
I think the idea of this board is helpful in a few ways. Men who are over 60 who join, can find this area helpful, find it sooner rather than sifting through post after post looking for something that is suitable for him. It stands out for the new member as well letting them know that they too are welcome instead of wondering if members here are in the same age range making them feel comfortable.
When HighAndTight were alive, he had his limits on service fees and if anything , in his memory and maybe many others,this board should stay. It is also helpful being able to ask a question on here if you are a man over 60 and find a direct answer from a provider who services his age range instead of on the regional board of his area , making the posts consolidated and a one area instead of scattered on different geographical regions. Hard to follow and keep up with over 60 when there are so many in so many states . I vote to keep this .
Last , my concern with health issues in those over 60 topics can post here openly with a question that will be easily found . On my website I do have a special area in my services section that discusses health issues .I think most boards should have a special area for those with a special need.
When I said that Victoria was "pirating" this board, I was referring to the thread just before this one. As I understood the thread, Victoria and a number of other ladies were campaigning to change the name of the board and to change its focus; they also wanted to target a larger and somewhat different group of men. I also got the impression that they thought the subject matter of the board (as it now stands) should be changed to attract more participation. They were not really asking for the thoughts of the gents who were here before them. To me this is "pirating".
I believe that this board should address the issues of hobbying when the client is over 60. I also believe that any client with health related issues should be welcome to participate in the board. There are probably many guys as young as 21 whose hobbying is limited in some way by health issues. Likewise there many disabled veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan who probably have questions for the board.
I encourage the ladies to participate to the extent that they remain on point and restrict their questions and comments to the problems of hobbying when you are over 60. I don't care about a lady's age. She can be an 18 YO spinner if she wants to join in the conversations. And you will never hear me object to your pictures.
why in the world should the ladies or anyone else restrict their conversation to "the problems of hobbying when you are over 60."
Discussing problems is fine, but I'd find it more enjoyable to discuss the *pleasures* of hobbying when you are over 60. Or anything else men or women want to discuss that's in the spirit of mature hobbying. 60 is just a number. Anyone who can participate in civil, respectful discussion should be welcome.
Posted By: HuggyBear1200
I encourage the ladies to participate to the extent that they remain on point and restrict their questions and comments to the problems of hobbying when you are over 60.
I totally agree with spar quay. Although I have only been on this board for about a week, what attracted me to this board was that it was for us guys that are over 60 and that there were so many providers asking questions about our likes and dislikes. Sure it is nice to have a place to discuss our somewhat unique problems. However, it is even better that this was a place where we could also discuss how are age and experiences allow us to offer the ladies a different type of relationship than just wham bang thank you ma'am. I really hope that this board will continue to be the place where both can be accommodated.
A very well put together post .Took the words right out of my head.
Posted By: HuggyBear1200
When I said that Victoria was "pirating" this board, I was referring to the thread just before this one. As I understood the thread, Victoria and a number of other ladies were campaigning to change the name of the board and to change its focus; they also wanted to target a larger and somewhat different group of men. I also got the impression that they thought the subject matter of the board (as it now stands) should be changed to attract more participation. They were not really asking for the thoughts of the gents who were here before them. To me this is "pirating".
I believe that this board should address the issues of hobbying when the client is over 60. I also believe that any client with health related issues should be welcome to participate in the board. There are probably many guys as young as 21 whose hobbying is limited in some way by health issues. Likewise there many disabled veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan who probably have questions for the board.
I encourage the ladies to participate to the extent that they remain on point and restrict their questions and comments to the problems of hobbying when you are over 60. I don't care about a lady's age. She can be an 18 YO spinner if she wants to join in the conversations. And you will never hear me object to your pictures.
Personally, I really enjoy the input from older providers and others. I'm 68 and there are many issues of interest that relate to being over 60 beyond health concerns which I enjoy exploring. The perspectives of providers is one, what leads older guys to the hobby, how the hobby satisfies or fills those needs, the unexpected rewards at this age, feedback to finding really satisfying hobby experiences, certainly how to explore satisfying sex when performance ebbs and many others. There is plenty of room for all, just find the threads that interest you. I mostlly enjoy this thread because there seems to me a mood of mutual support.
Right on yiorgiki -- The OP wants a homgeneous board of some sort, and that would only serve to make it boring and overly focused. Any topic of interest to the >60 crowd is fine. Just respond to or read those that interest you and skipp those that don't. As for Victoria AZ, she's a great lady and welcome here regardless of what she posts. We need more of her ilk.
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