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An open letter to Tabitha
plsr-skr 4267 reads
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I write this letter to let you know the impact of your actions.  I made an appointment with you based from your online advertisements and reviews.  We talked on the phone to confirm and all was good.  When I arrived at your location you did not answer the door.  I knocked several times and was concerned I had the wrong apartment number.  After a short while I called you from my cell to have you answer and explain to me, “I don’t see African American Men”, you are not racist as you have Black friends, it is nothing personal, and that you were sorry.

Well being the upscale, professional gentleman that I am…  I mentioned that I have great references, that it was hard not to take it personal, that I was sorry as well, and left.

Yes this is a true and accurate description of our interaction.  There were no raised voices or harsh words (other than “I don’t see “I don’t see African American Men”) or prolonged conversation from either of us.  I just left – HUMILIATED.

To find you had viewed me through the doors peephole made assumptions about me and decided not to see me is a conundrum.

I too am an independent business owner and understand the challenges that go along with the freedom.  I respect all individuals’ rights to choose in all personal areas of life.  However when in business and we advertise to all people, we accept interactions with all people.  If there are limits to our services we make that CLEAR.

I do not question your right to be selective, just be up front with clients and yourself in your advertising and then again on the phone prior to an appointment.  If you are not willing to publish that you do not see - “African American Men” or only see “White Men” - it makes me wonder what you are ashamed of.  To have clients get to your door and turned away is CRULE and unnecessary.  Let us know your preferences in advance and EMBARRASSING situations like this can be avoided.  If you are concerned that telling the truth in your advertising will make you look, well, “selective”.  Then you probably are “selective”.

You mentioned to me that you are not racist with out any accusation on my part and that this is not personal.  After thinking about these statements only one can be the case.  We have never met before and do not know each other personally so I can conclude that this indeed was a case of racism.  I am not taking it personally this was business and by your action and self described “issue” in this incident, you are a racist.  Have your Black friends read this and tell me if they think I am wrong.

I know this profession has many contradictions, I just ask you and all providers to be upfront with being “selective” and avoid being EVIL to hobbyist who are just looking for a good time.

I hobby for the variety, I love all women.  This has never happen to me before.  I am well spoken, MBA educated, in good shape, and very well groomed.

Assumptions, stereotypes, and prejudices hurt us all.  I understand this issue from a variety of perspectives - not that it matters – my mother is Caucasian of Italian decent and my father is Latin of Caribbean decent…

atl_mgr3080 reads

She owes you a cancellation fee.  Your time and effort are worth money, too -- same as if you had arrived, taken a look-see, said no-thanks, and left...

I had an african american provider once tell me she would not see me because I was white and that she only saw black men.  I had a similiar reaction.

being Independant makes you too independant and inconsiderate of anyone else feelings because youre so independant. I have known girls that do not see black men. I know black men that will not see a black provider and visa versa to alla that.
I am with you though that she should have stated in her ad that she sees only white gents. She would not be the first to do that. I also find what she did stoopid because now you know where she is and some of you that get or got turned away will not be as classy as you and just post here. So she takes her chances independently. Im sorry this happened to you.
tyvm,P.T.

I do not pretend to know how you feel.  This hobby is full of raw emotion, both good and bad.
To be turned down on race, something we don't choose, has got to hurt.  What is the answer?  If she advertised that she doesn't see this group or that group, would she be vilified for that?  Even though, as has been stated, that would be the honest approach.

She may have very valid reasons for her prejudice, but they are her reasons.  She may have had a negative experience or two with african american men and being petite may not want to take a risk. Assholes come in every shape size and color.  

Bottom line is, you are entitled to compensation for your time as she is entitled to select who she sees.  No winners here.

There are several provider ads that I have seen in the past that state such a preference and they have never been vilified for it, generally they were praised for being up front about it.

eastside3622 reads

Tabitha may be a racist, I don't know her, but what is described is bigotry and prejustice.  Oh, yeah, and stupidity and ignorance

smokeynthebandit3873 reads

You know, I've just read this discussion, and it left me in awwww.  "A black man, oh my god, and you didn't see him" "Your so racist, and prejiduce" First of all, please tell me you guys are joking.  It's not racist...it's not prejiduce....and it's not descrimination...it's a decision of choice or preference and something for you all to bitch about.  She prefers not to see black men.  Big whoopdee frigin doo!  That's like me telling you that dog poo is tasty...I might like it but that doesn't mean you have to enjoy it. Hmmm, you prefereably would not want to I would most certainly "presume". I'll say presume lightly because I think half of you would eat it if one said it was a good thing.  And If I did eat dog poo I most certainly wouldn't be so rude as to scream,,,but that's just wrong,,dog poo is fantastic! and you won't try it,,,your pathetic!" First I'd like to say to Tabitha, congratualations!, you are one of the few women left in this industry who stand by your preferences and are not pressured to alter the personal choices that best serve your life. I don't know you and this characteristic makes you attractive.  You are not ignorant, stupid, or a bigot.  What I find interesting is that most that replied in quick response find fault in your actions and are quick to say that you should have done this or done that. What they don't know yet is they absolutely have no idea what they are talking about and sadly never will. They are simply forcing their preferences and beliefs on you.  For instance, Ms. Amanda Fox, where do I start.  I don't think I can, you said more ignorant and selfish statements than I can shake a stick at.  What do you mean when you say that a provider can live by personal preference outside of the hobby but should not commit to that same self value preference system while at work.  Duhuh,,,duhuh,,,is all I can say. Choosing when to do one thing, and then do another...that's a lot of freedom,,isn't that almost hypocrytical?  I'm not sure.  Anyway, it works for you, not for her, and it's more wrong for you to voice that choice  on her rather than the choice she made because it's what she prefers and lives by. At least she is not gladly flaunting to you on this board that she only sees white men as you are doing by saying "I see everyone including Donald Duck because it's right".  You sound like a bunch of activist for a mixed racial movement.  And I myself would like to see the statistics for those that agree with your choice on this subject versus those that don't prefer intimately relating with other ethniticities outside of their own.  I'd be surprised and hard pressed to find that you are in the majority. Because hey!, i'd take a minority point of view over the prior any day. However, it's not about majority or minority, it's about what serves you best.  (Oh and by minority, I mean minority opinion on the subject, I saw that one coming)????   And for the fella that wrote this letter, I don't care if you are dirt poor or have a PH.D, it doesn't change the color of your skin, and I say that not to be rude, but unfortunately, you do not fall in Tabatha's preference zone. You could have been white green or orange, I could care less, I know white girls that only see black men, and I care why?   You sound like an upstanding citizen,,get over it.  Is she the only provider in town and if she is,,you might need a new hobby?  Are you  searching for sympathy? You'll get none here, I'm not going to provide a crutch for the fact that your feelings are hurt, it will only hurt you in the long run if I told you all to slander this young lady. Besides, if she would have gone against her preference, it would have most likely been an awkward and poor session at best, a waste of your breath.  Let me break some news to you guys..How about this...I won't see a provider that see's black men...does that get your panties in a wad?  If so,,dig them out,,so what, why are you concerned with me...and you know you are because i'm not like you ;) I see a repeating pattern here,,,, those who indulge in something as in this case, mixed racial relations,,approve, and those  that don't do not approve.  Isn't that ok? Isn't that a freedom. Why do those that don't approve need to be enlightened? I'll go even further, I have no reviews to my name, although i have hobbied for many many years. I like blondes, they do it for me,,,am I a discriminator against red heads or brunettes? Please,,all of you,,do Tabitha, and those like her a favor, don't encourage her  to be someone she's not to put her in your category of choice to make yourself feel better.
Isn't it sad to know that many providers feel pressured to go against there preference or beliefs, i think that hurts the most. Also, for those that are looking for something to bitch about, in no way do I relate, or find similarity in dog poo or black men. You wanted that one didn't you :)

...On another note GO DAWGS!!!!!!

GoldieTheMack2054 reads

Very tactfully written.

However, this is old news. Caucasian providers have been refusing to see black customers since the beginning days of this hobby. I have had the same experience, gotten pissed off, called the woman a bunch of names (some of which they deserved), and vowed to get even. I even scheduled additional appointments (even in the same day) knowing she would refuse service again and again, just to waste BOTH of our time. I was much younger and had much more free time then...

Bottom line, there are 2.5 billion "hair pies" in this world -- that is just one that neither of us will ever lay hands on, so let's just move on.

So many asses left, so little time.

Yes it may suck, HOWEVER..it's not wrong for 2 reasons:
1) she's an independent contractor so speaking from a business standpoint - she's not working for a public company that MUST provide for all - she can pick and choose.  If I own a store and want only hot busty blondes working there, I can do that, although of course I wouldn't advertise that but just only hire those who fit my criteria.
2) Put yourself in her position.  As a guy, I'm sure there's plenty of women you see walking down the street who you say "I wouldn't touch her with a ten foot pole!" Well if you were a male-escort, and one of those women showed up at your door, I bet you'd be thinking about not answering too.
Personally, I prefer white women, but would go to bed with a black woman if I were attracted to her.  Asian women? Not for me - I know some guys love'em, but I don't find ANY attraction to them, so if one showed up on my door, I'd have to not answer too - same goes for toothless women, badbreathed women, etc -
As guys we often think these girls will simply do it all for the fee, but remember they're human beings - they're attracted to some of their clients of course, and are repulsed by others.
It's their CHOICE if they want to see you or not.  I'm sorry you were snubbed, buddy, but just move on.
I was turned away by a hot blonded provider (white, as am I) in LA a few years back, took it personally and was upset, and even badmouthed her on the boards.  Then I calmed down, moved on and have had many amazing experiences with women from all over the country.
Just move on and maybe take this lesson away - describe yourself fully to your future providers (i.e. tell them you're black) so you know it's not a problem!!

Wow,... what world are you from to say that from a "business standpoint" exclusionary practices are OK??? I'd love to see you try to open some sort of establishment and say that only "hot busty blonds" could work there. Someone would have you in court in no time! Most companies have put into place strict inclusion policies in the last few years.
And as for her personal preferences,... who cares! We as providers are supposed to be creating an illusion for the client, not the client being made to cater to our likes and dislikes. That's part of what being a professional is. My personal preferences are irrelevant in the equation.(that's why we have personal lives). When I open the door it's about the client. And if I've agreed to see someone, I see them. I don't leave them out in the hall hoping they will go away because they are not my type.

I am so glad there is provider like Amanda, she made me feel special and I treasure every moment I spend with her-she is an awesome lady!!!

-- Modified on 12/7/2005 12:17:53 PM

atl_mgr4307 reads

Good-looking, sexy, and smart, too...

withoutguilt3149 reads

There appears to be tendency to compare the hobby/pleasure business with other businesses. Unfortunately, there are stark differences which no one is willing to admit as long as it is convenient for selfish reasons.

One word on racism and I will move on. "Racism is a state of mind and it will not go away by politically correct stattements and window dressing behavior similar to deparmnet store manequins".

Let us look at the business.

Every other business is governed by Federal, state and local laws. Nothing of the nature exist for the hobby business. It is governed by set of honorary behavior and any one can break it at any time. At times, it has been broken, and people have been hurt.

As provider, the lady is definitely giving something very personal and intimate to herself and has the right and should have the right to choose when, what, where, how and to whom. Yelling racism, discrimination and every other politically incorrect words are nothing but making one self to look "enlightened" and "prgressive" may be!

There have been posts on this board and surveys about baIt and switch and the answere for the question, what would you do, when you find the provider to be someone other than in the photos, thought who you thought she would be, etc., and the overwhelmining answer was, "leave". I assume in that situation, the provider would be humiliated also.

Exclusionary practices do exist from a business standpoint and it is alive and well. How many banks have branches do you see in econimocally depressed area's? No many? How many department stores do you see in the same areas? Not too long ago, Cobb county and Gwinnett county citizens voted against MARTA, does anyone remember the main reason? MARTA will increase crime and bring homeless people to the "enlightened" suburbs. One can intepret this in many ways. About business making exclusionary decisions, they do it every day against you, me and everything else under the cover of profitablity, market research and under many other legal reasons and no one pays attention to these pratices every day and once in a blue moon, they get caught, they settle out of court, agree to some window dressing, agree to make loans or whatever, do it until the attetion goes away and go back.

Being all that it may be, things happen, people disappoint you, humiliate you if you let them, all of the above is under one's direct control, how you react, how you feel and how much ego one is deling with. Loose the ego, gain control of the self which in turn control one's reaction to any situation, and nothing seems important and no one can ever control your feelings becuase you control them. No one can humiliate you becuase you cannot be humiliated; you are in control of the self.

OK I am not preaching, I am not a preacher, I am not religious because I don't believe in them but I am inquisitive about the self and magic called life.

Disclaimers

1) Amanda this is not reply to your opinion. I just happen to click the post button after reading your post. I have never met you hope to one day

2) I have not met Tabitha and don't know who she is not even sure to have seen her pictures

3) The post is a general observation by me and no other person living or diseased have had any influence, it is just mine and I take full ownership of the good, bad and the ugly that comes along.

Peace!

Have Merry Christmas and be Merry all you can be!

I miss you too :) Gimme a call to sey hey !
Love,P.T.

Unfortunately there are many providers out there who feel this way. Personally I'd love to hear from one of them as to their exact reasoning behind denying service based on ethnicity. Though it would be entertaining to read, I seriously doubt that they could come up with any sort of answer that would not make them sound like a total dumb ass.
I encountered this subject shortly after getting into the biz. The whole concept was dumbfounding to me. Especially since many of the girls who had this 'policy' actually dated black men.!!!???!!!??? I have to say that I disagree with those who say "...maybe it's because that provider had a negative experience with someone of that race...". In my opinion it's based entirely on racial stereotypes in regards to all aspects of sexual performance. Quite frankly the rational is that an older primarily white clientele base is 'easier', requires less 'work', and can be turned faster. .... sad, but prejudice and ethnocentrism are nothing new.
As for this specific provider, why can a review not be written??? I know that reviews are not allowed for no-shows, but this really was not a no show, both provider and hobbyist were there at the incall location at the agreed time.

atl_mgr2858 reads

This has actually been discussed at length on this board some time ago.  Several providers (black and otherwise) felt their chances of being 'outed' was too high by seeing people in their own ethnic group.  It had nothing to do with racial preferences, prejudice, or stereotypes at all.

I don't know what Tabitha's reasoning is (and really don't care), but the 'don't squat where you eat' argument does make logical sense to me.

In any case, the bottom line is that it is totally up to the provider to determine who she (he?) will or won't see.  One would hope that the decision isn't based on prejudice, and in many cases, it isn't.  Regardless, such restrictive policies should be stated clearly, and all persons should be treated with respect for their feelings and time.

atl_mgr

I can guess the main reason Tabitha did not advertise publicly that she does not see black men, is because of what happened on the CL boards to a latin provider named Maria. She stated that she preferred white men and the offensive posts against her were brutal to say the least. One could say Tabitha did not want to be labeled a racist just bacause of her preferences. Heck, I prefer white women, so does that make me a racist just because I am white? And if i were black and only wanted white women, one could argue that i was racist because the presumption would be that black women aren't good enough for me.  But that is just my opinion. I could be wrong. Remember, potential sex partners are like buses,.. there is always another one around the corner..next?

Tabitha you have a very mature apporach to the business as well as a profound understanding of the business.  You dialogue regarding this has made me want to see you just to talk.
Well done

Ladies can see who they please. The only thing I ask don't let me get to the door and you turn me away. Don't waste my time because I would never waste your, tell me up front you won't see me. Some ladies are worried about their reputation if people find out they don't see African American men.. I have never "out" a lady because they wouldn't see me. Just respect my time and let me know up front. It's their lost and money..lol

Where have you been hiding ? Nice to see you !
tyvm,P.T.

Doing well PT. Trying to stay out of trouble in D.C..lol I miss Atl,looking forward to that drink dear.

Victoria from Seattle3798 reads

~First, may I tell you I sympathize (*Not that I have ever been denied service but I did arrange a meeting with another provider for a gentleman and she canceled at the last minute... After requesting a picture of the guy !!!*)

You made some very good points and I hope some of the providers take it to heart. I personally feel honored when a gentleman is willing to arrange his schedule around a meeting with me.

I however, do not set appointments to meet with every individual that contacts me. I think by clearly stating: "I must establish a comfort level that both parties are confident with" is the most effective form of ensuring everyone involved will be content and there will be no surprises.

I have posted in the past but I will remind some who haven't been around as long as others. (*In this specific case I am sure that this point is mute but I offer it none-the-less*)

I have, in the past... suggested that certain "African American Men" meet me at a Property other than my permanent incall location. ...  ~I've also made the same arrangement with other high profile or "recognizable" clients~  I didn't refuse to see them, I simply made arrangements other than my incall.

The logic is simple in that case, the presence of the individual at my location would cause unnecessary attention to my location and to the individual. In that case it is merely a matter of common sense and protection of everyone involved.

I understand that standing in the hallway would ... in this case, make it even more of a "situation" than merely sliding in and possibly getting noticed.

Just one suggestion to other similar situations, not necessarily this one but along the same lines.

If you are professional and would not be "banging"... "blinking".. stylin or other descriptive words to indicate a presence other than "average" I can't imagine a "professional" having a problem with seeing you.

I think to communicate that I am located in an upper middle class professional complex usually implies I would be expecting your presence to be in line with the surrounding. (*Prior to my permanent location, there was a time I suggested a dress code for guests when they met with me... the idea is the same, to avoid additional attention being directed our way*)

Best wishes in your future choices kisses... ~Tori

Black gentleman are welcome..........
 as long as no one sees them
ROFLMBFAO
"stylin"" banging"... "blinking"..
Sure, " African american Gents who are average" come on down. lemee guess... red, brown and yellow? but all you others go away?
Uncle tom and Jeff come on in.
Brothers stay home.
No, I'm not black.
and I am just guessing.
and listening
and offended

Being unsure and becoming noticeable by others. You want people that look and can act like they belong and have abit of street sense not to "blink" if they run into the neighbor.
tyvm,P.T.

withoutguilt2683 reads

Is there an unwritten rule somewhere stating streotyping, bigotry and racism is always a Black and White issue? if there is, the thought itself is narrow minded.

World is full of ethnic groups besides black and white and SBR is alive and well and there plenty of people promoting it in unsuspecting ways. It is fallacy to believe balcks don't discriminate against other ehtnic groups, asians don't discriminate against whites, so on so forth.

"One has the right to exercise, one's personal freedom as long as it doesn't curtail someones else exercising their personal freedom". Civics rule 101, I guess schools don't teach civics anylonger, hence the ever premeating confusion.

The point is, when a personal choice is denied to one person, that choice is denied to everyone else as well. Not something one can use, when convenient and deny when, inconvenient.

you took that in the wrong way ronron245. Things are not always so cut and dry. There are so many things that sitting on this side,your side never encounters so can not understand. We all know Tori is an equal opportunity Grande Damme in these parts.
tyvm,P.T.

Victoria from Seattle2237 reads

...and I appreciate the post stating my words must have been taken wrong. (* I believe I can say with confidence anyone who knows anything about me would mirror your sentiments*) but thank you for commenting p.t.


In regards to the "Uncle Tom" statement by "MR" ronron :
An Uncle Tom is no more welcome than anyone else that might "draw attention to my location or to myself" .....

I made an attempt to explain how ANYONE who might draw attention would compromise the situation. I also tried to explain, my concern isn't with the individual I entertain as much as it is with the risk to safety arriving at my incall location might initiate. I'm sorry you were left with the impression of: ....."all others go away"

The statement that I try to get across is don't jeopardize yourself or me in meeting at my incall. Especially if your presence will arouse suspicion.

Sorry my post left you "just guessing" and "offended" to make myself perfectly clear... for me it isn't about color. I do however always try to maintain as low of a profile as possible.

- And-  while on the subject of color and attitude, I would just like to add that I did adopt two young men from gangs in Compton several years ago (*they were both teenagers when I adopted them*) they are white by definition and by the color of their skin  -BUT- by my same logic, if either of them tried to plan a session with Sidney I would advise her to meet them at a different location because they would arrive "stylin, blinkin and looking like they were en route to a bangin"

Please re-read my post carefully and if you are still offended I offer an apology. If you would like one directly sent to you, I'd be happy to take our discussion and your comments to Private TER mail .......kisses  ~Tori

-- Modified on 12/7/2005 7:45:30 AM

forgive me...
I noticed that you only charicterized african americans.
I saw no reference to hayseeds, dagos or wops.
I stand corrected
TIC

timbe2665 reads

I'm a Black Men and I have spoken with some providers on the customer race issue. And some of them have had bad experiences with Black Men, however the experiences they explained to me.  Isn't a race issue, yet a class issue that anyone could have. I think providers who discriminate, miss out on a lot Not just money!  Sorry, that happened to you plsr-skr.  I think providers should post in their Ads, if they only see one race!  I hope this never happens to me!

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