I think this guy just goes to the meet and greets to meet ladies whom are already planning on being there, but does not make them meet him for free to see if they mesh well. Guys who do the latter should stick with dating sites.
we all know each provider has her own dns list..question is do we clients have our own personal dns list..someone who we would not see under any circumstances whatsoever..who would make that list? and why? i know we we all have one..let us all fess up and be honest now..
I assume you are asking about "established" providers, not initial screening for scammers.
1) Any mention of false/misleading pictures. (In reviews or a board post by a reputable reviewer.)
2) Bitchy attitude in TER posts, or even in her ad. (I am truely surprised by some of the stuff I read.)
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Hey DT,
I agree with you 100% on number 2!
You're right about the stuff that you read in some of the ads, I feel like asking the lady who is posting that ad: 'Are you for real?'.
Serpius
1) Any mention of false/misleading pictures. (In reviews or a board post by a reputable reviewer.)
2) Bitchy attitude in TER posts, or even in her ad. (I am truely surprised by some of the stuff I read.)
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For the most part what a lady has on her website has been very well thought out and for a very good reason. Some of her content is to attract her desired clientele and some is to repel a faction she has no desire to deal with.
It can be very blatant or carefully crafted.
And then there are some ladies that just well, say shit that makes you shake your head.
MacDaddy,
Here's my list:
Any Backpage provider who cannot be verified and/or is not reviewed in TER
Any provider who DEMANDS donations in advance before the session (usually for multi-hour appointments)
Any provider on TER or other review websites who believes in blacklists as gospel
Simple isn't it?
Serpius
Providers that behave badly make that list:
Women that use old photos or photos that do not belong to them and I can confirm that fact.
Providers that try to destroy clients over a review that they cant even be sure is fake.
Provides that are public blacklist happy and I find it out.
Providers that want me to fuck them in a bed her daughter just peed (this really happened), or in other ways has an incall that disgusts me.
Providers that are not clean in their hygiene.
Providers that prove they are unreliable. Constantly late, cancelling at the last second or plain NCNS. One or twice I can forgive but a pattern not so much.
Providers that prove they are dangerous in some real way.
Providers that just rub me wrong. Why pay to be annoyed.
Providers I find unattractive. Again why pay if she turns you off.
Any provider proving to be to much drama.
Providers that I can't verify in some way as safe.
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I agree with others. Some of the stuff I read I think no way would I pay for that. Probably works both ways though.
who i WANT to see.
Like the one i'm doing an over-nite with on Fri. ( she's the perfect, P$P companion )
I can't stand it when someone makes an appointment with you, then starts a thread on a national discussion board which humiliates you and hurts your feelings, you overlook it, then he reschedules his appointment not once but twice, then ultimately cancels that appointment crying broke and broken, and after you console him he then posts on that same national discussion board that he has booked an overnight with someone else. Congratulations, Hobbyist of the Year.
If you had you would have noticed how unstable he is. He was also recently begging for a hand job on another board. You should have known that he is broke and didn't have the money to get to you let alone book and pay you.
His overnight was booked with Rosey Palm.
Thank you for the reply! I just love it when they are sooooo impressed by your reviews that they book you, and then claim they didn't notice the other 150+ very positive ones surrounding a negative, singular review. Maybe it's me and my stability, or integrity, but when men resort to childish antics in the face of their own integrity being rightfully challenged, I can't help but think that shadowboxing would have been more purposeful a foreplay.
His overnight was booked with Rosey Palm.
It does appear that there are leaders in the community who tell piers to not see certain providers and some of those providers have glowing reviews.When you let someone make your mind up for you you
allow yourself to be that persons bitch boy . Just my $ 0.02 based on what I have read on here seeing
certain hobbyist flame providers. I think each DNS list should be personalized. I vote for updated pictures , attitude and reviews.
THS
So If I warn my fellow hobbyists about you and they skip over you that makes them a bitch boy?
Some providers are not safe to give personal information to. You know the type. That bitch boy will keep himself safe. That's what matters in the end, not your name calling.
this is a REVIEW site! >>>>>> Reviewing and sharing info back channel about providers iz what this site iz FOR! (an it sure ain't this lame-assed board) Anyone who don't get it iz terminally clueless!
men take the word of other men about providers even if the men speaking about said providers has never seen the woman, talked to her on the phone, had a negative experience with her except on a board, or any other contact?
Let's not forget that the provider in question most likely has excellent reviews and no one that has actually ever seen her would ever talk about her the way these men do (who have never seen her).
One last thing: the people who are talking are generally the same kind of people; always on the board; never have anything positive to say; and generally speak to women who respond to anything they post disrespectfully.
You really do listen to these men about women they have never met? Really? That doesn't seem logical.
I'd also like to point out that I have been told of conversations between men who have talked about women who have posted to their threads and shared information that wasn't even in the same ballpark as legitimate. And I don't mean one or two facts wrong, I mean someone made so many things up that the thread read like complete fiction (and it wasn't me, it was someone I knew and I definitely had the facts of the situation).
So, I would say why would you listen to people who obviously have a bias against a person (they've NEVER seen her or had any kind of contact with her, but she upset them in some way) instead of going by factual reviews that were written by unbiased people? Just curious.
Didn't we just read that diatribe from you?
And poof...it disappeared!
I asked a question and you gave no answers. What is your contribution here? And do you really follow people around and harass them like this all the time? You are definitely starting to seem like just a problem causer. I'd be surprised if anyone took anything you said seriously.
Also: I don't think 'backhanded' means what you think it means.
Guess my post hit a nerve?
Yep...not all that tough to play this game. And guess what....between PM's and back channel emails there were a lot of contestants this past week or so. And not so surprising, most knew the answers.
Finally...you would be surprised how many take these comments "seriously".
Should I include you on the next show? You might enjoy this game.
it does happen. I would never take the word of a provider who has never seen a client she is bashing, and I would assume smart guys would not take the word of a few shit starting hobbyists who have also not seen said providers they love to gossip about. The way I see it...if people are that immature to avoid those based purely on gossip, they are not worthy of my time even if I am being paid. I don't have time for "little boys" in an adult lifestyle.
Granted some may say things about a gal if they see HER as competition, but when I have asked gals for their opinions, I listen to what she has to say.
And for the most part it corroborates with my fellow hobbyists had to say about her as well.
This is a small community...as you know better than most. Gals who are to be AVOIDED need to understand that they have made this impact on both sides of the fence.
Had we both bought into the bs, we would have never known just how much we would have in common. I guess those doing the gossping did not consider how sadistic we both were, which made us hit it off lol.
Just because another woman says a guy is an a hole, does not mean I will think he is....especially if she has never met him!
You are also not on any BL sites with legitimate concerns, so I knew it was nothing more than your board posts that were making these bitches talk crap about you...same with me I am sure. No one who has actually "met with me" has ever said anything negative other than I can't take much weenie lol.
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When I have an interest (or others that ask me, or vice versa) in a lady, I am looking for more than what a review(s) might speak to.
And many of us BC prior reviewers, or other fellas/ladies just to confirm that she is a good fit (pun intended).
Most of the gals that I've seen, or will see, are not participating on TER.
And to speak to those who make negative comments on these board posts as a reason NOT to see someone...generally it is for a reason that those folks are speaking out. And unsolicited advice is NOT something I have any interest in...nor do you.
You bet we're sadistic...and a bit masochistic. And it's all good 
Thought it was clear, I ignored the gossip from "other people who never met him."
i wish i had the kind of money to drop on sessions that turn out to be rotten and then be able to say, oh well, that's life.
but i have to make sure that my money is well spent, otherwise i am wasting a large chunk of change for a so-so, or even repulsive two hours that i could have spent better with some civie for free.
so yes, i will listen to guys who say that so and so is unresponsive or irresponsible or just not a good time. that's what this whole site is for. to share information.
hey, if you want to give me a free session so i can make up my mind, you bet i won't bother to consider outside information from third parties about their experiences with you. until then, i have to do my due diligence.
in answer to the original question, i agree w/most posters here: misleading pictures, not showing up on time...also attitude during the session.
let me add another: recently there was a meet & greet held in los angeles. several women that i wanted to meet were scheduled to be there.
when the time came, over 75% of the listed ladies failed to show up, and most of them didn't even bother to let the coordinator know they weren't coming.
all of those no-show ladies are now on my own personal dns list.
conversely, i met two new friends that i will see later this month, re-connected with 2 other ladies i had met before and am planning to see next month, and had a great time all around with the ladies that bothered to show up. girls, those m&g's are important!
meet and greets. That's absurd to try and correlate non-attendance to an event we are NOT paid for, in relation to a date that is booked and CONFIRMED with compensation. It's not a job interview, but a party where you can flake if you want to. I don't attend these things to begin with, but if I "chose" to go, I sure as hell would not be required to call in sick if I decided not to. That is my FREE time, not an on the clock meeting that I gave my word I would be there for. When I am "paid" to attend, I will then not confrm until I know for sure I can make it.
That has nothing to do with the hobby. I might call on good faith because that's the kind of person I am, but I will be damned if it is a requirement. Meet and Greets are NOT part of our job, and again we are not PAID to attend. There is no incentive to go other than to party, which does not appeal to me in the first place.
You assuming girls who bailed on a non-paid event would also do that when they know they have cash waiting is a bit off. Just to test that theory...tell the next provider you schedule with that you don't have the envelope and see if she shows up or calls to tell you she is not coming lol. You're comparing Apples and Oranges here, and it does not work.
the problem is, this m&g was a luncheon, pre-paid by the organizer, and the gentlemen were required to pay for their own lunch and an extra lunch to cover the ladies.
so somebody somewhere, whether it was the organizer who laid out several hundred dollars to secure the places at the restaurant, or the men who paid double, got screwed. the restaurant got paid and those ladies didn't show up.
now, if it was just a matter of getting to a bar and drinking, and a lady decided not to show, fine. np.
but yeah, if you book yourself to a $30 lunch that someone else is covering, then damn straight you better show, or at least let the guy footing the bill know in advance you aren't coming.
so, no, i will not see any of those gals who decided to stick somebody with the bill.
anyway, i have a strict policy of not dating any lady i haven't met in person, to see if there's chemistry. i've been burned too many times.
In that case, she should just not bother saying she would be there. I have NEVER heard of a meet and greet that required a guy pay for the girl's lunch when she was not there to order it. That's dumb all the way around.
And you pay for that number of guest no matter if no one shows. Hell many caterers require the money in advance. This is also why many organizers ask for confirmations and some require payment in advance as well.
I have been invited (never have attended) to a few in Vegas that the guys paid extra and the ladies are free. A lady no shows, the organizer is out and the guy that paid extra to meet the ladies don't get what he paid for as the women he was hoping to meet are not there. Both the guys that flipped the bill and the organizer loses out because of the no show.
..." i have a strict policy of not dating any lady i haven't met in person, to see if there's chemistry. i've been burned too many times".
So do you ask to meet a lady say for coffee before booking anything? I get the chemistry thing especially if you have been burned before. Oh and do you compensate her for that time it takes to meet you so you can look her over and decide if she is worth an appointment?
I think this guy just goes to the meet and greets to meet ladies whom are already planning on being there, but does not make them meet him for free to see if they mesh well. Guys who do the latter should stick with dating sites.
If he relies on M&G's than fine, he has his way others have their way.
you are right. i might make an exception for you if you're ever in la lol
a little of both. one lady recently was kind enough to meet at a starbucks just to chat off the clock. she was very very nice to do that.
other ladies i see only if i have met them at meet & greets. i have been burned too many times w/out of date pictures, bad chemistry, age ranges far too far out of the acceptable plus or minus 5 years. i wish i was so rich that dropping a thou for a mistake didn't bother me (i never see anyone for less than two hours) but i'm not so i have to do my due dilegence. i don't date as much as i would like to, and i am sure i am missing out on tons of wonderful people, but i do know when i date i have an incredible time.
So do you ask to meet a lady say for coffee before booking anything? I get the chemistry thing especially if you have been burned before. Oh and do you compensate her for that time it takes to meet you so you can look her over and decide if she is worth an appointment?
Yew jest made up a whole long fantasy and decide that's wut I meant? Aw, I know, yore rilly a novelist!
In the end, I pay the $20 or whatever it is for the TER membership. I'm all for helping others out, but I don't feel this "brotherhood" and need to point out to other guys that a girl and I didn't hit it off in session. It's always caveat emptor in this business, and it's always risky in that you might drop the money and wish you had jerked off instead. It happens.
The only exception might be if the provider did something to really humiliate me, like outed my real name, or put me in harm's way in some other way, like calling my work number and telling the person answering that I saw her and that she was a provider. Other than that, if it's just...we didn't click, that's fine.
I don't honestly see a need to write a bad review about a girl. There are three sides to every story--my side, the other side, and the truth, which is usually somewhere in the middle. I don't find that it's important to tell my side unless it would truly put some other guys in harm's way.
That's just me, though. I crack up when a guy I don't know from a donut tells me that it's bro code to out a bad provider. Why? What is that guy gonna do for me? Is he gonna subsidize my next session?
Don't get me wrong. I am happy to help and give real info if a guy asks me about something, but there's no way I'm gonna voluntarily give that info in the name of "You owe it to your fellow hobbyists." Bullshit. I pay the TER fee, and I paid the provider's fee. Unless you are paying for the session, you have no right to know.