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Just because your thumb drive has AES 256 bit encryption...red_smile
spooky_one 364 reads
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don't be fooled. These are absolutely good precautions. AND...

As with our own 'tradecraft', the encryption is only as good as the implementation. Kingston and Verbatim are trusted NIST certified devices, but check the link...

http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=6655

I hope I fat fingered the link correctly on my damned phone!

Bottomline? Trust nothing or nobody, AND we need to watch out for each others backs.

Reach-arounds are encouraged!

SweetGirl20061609 reads

I see guys complain all the time about girls keeping their info and how it's not discrete.

What is that you guys are doing to be discrete and to keep our info safe?

In my yrs in the business, I have had at least 5 SOs call me wanting to know when and if I fucked their man, because said guy was not discrete. These guys left my url or email addy in their computer or left my # in their phone. YOUR WIVES DO NOT TRUST YOU! They look at your phone and your computer history all the time, trust me on this.

This is not just me, I hear at least 1 story a week about someones SO calling provider.

So what is you guys are doing to protect us and keep us the SECRET lovers we are supposed to be?

Always
SweetGirl2006

PS I don't keep emails or phone #s and I have an amazing memory so I don't need to.

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ADevilsAdvocate470 reads

you’re a hooker SweetGirl.

The number of wife's contacting you is likely commensurate with the number of clients, which in your case that being 5, suggest one hell of a lot of clients who's wife's did not contact you.

This is the business you choose to get into and you probably commonly state "I love my job".

It is not a hobbyist job to protect your information, which by the way is all over the damn internet via this board, many other boards where you likely place ads, your website, phone, email and other crap can be Googled and it is an open book.

We are NOT and nor should we expect TO BE open books. We're strangers in the night... or in some cases in the afternoon and early bird specials.

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DirtyDaego449 reads

"It is not a hobbyist job to protect your information"

Um...if they are smart, it is. If not to "protect" the woman, then to cover their own ass.
Yes, her info may be all over the web, etc....but NOT the info regarding who she sees.

The bottom line is that this hobby involves humans...and there are WAY too many dirt-ass ignorant idiots who are incapable of simple intelligent thought.
Information should be protected and trashed. Until people learn this...and how to clean their computers, phones, etc....there will always be problems....from both sides of the aisle.

Just sayin'

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SweetGirl2006390 reads

So your saying it is cool for a hobbyist to keep emails from me and reply to them 2 yrs later, yep this just happen last month.

But flips the fuck out when a 'hooker' keeps your emails and replies at a future date.

What about when the indiscreet hobbyist decides to see someone off BP or CL and gets caught up in a sting and his crackberry is confiscated and my info is in the phone from earlier contact and he gets me caught up?

Discrete, hell NO!

Did this happen, nope, it's a hypothetical. Same shit you hobbyist worry about, that your info is in a 'hookers' computer or phone when she gets popped by the po-po and you get caught up.

I maybe a 'hooker' but I also have a life, livelihood and family to worry about and support, just like you.

A discrete escort is easy to find.
How about a discrete hobbyist?

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DirtyDaego305 reads

Uh...no. That's not what I'M saying....but perhaps it's what the other person said. The one who responded directly to your post.

Since you replied to what I said...just thought I'd be clear on that. ;)

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ADevilsAdvocate319 reads

"So your saying it is cool for a hobbyist to keep emails from me and reply to them 2 yrs later, yep this just happen last month." Get grip honey, I said nothing of the kind so don't jump off the ledge with lack of information or that you make up.

"But flips the fuck out when a 'hooker' keeps your emails and replies at a future date." Absolutely!! They have much more to loose. Take house, children, car, child support, lawyer fees, and the list goes on quite a bit.

"What about when the indiscreet hobbyist decides to see someone off BP or CL and gets caught up in a sting and his crackberry is confiscated and my info is in the phone from earlier contact and he gets me caught up?" Pure folly. Even if the hobbyist IS that stupid (I suppose they are out there) there is absolutely nothing LE can do unless it is leading to some sort of Felony charge, which exchanging emails with a hooker is not, even if in the email I suggest $100 for a blow job. Not that stupid though.

Discrete, hell NO!

"Did this happen, nope, it's a hypothetical. Same shit you hobbyist worry about, that your info is in a 'hookers' computer or phone when she gets popped by the po-po and you get caught up." Yeah bad hypothetical, however can you say RICO? Yeah to the extreme again, but with thousands of emails addresses and exchanges, why invite more than you can handle?

"I maybe a 'hooker' but I also have a life, livelihood and family to worry about and support, just like you." I agree with you. And my previous and this post using the term hooker in the analogies was off base.

"A discrete escort is easy to find." I think most hobbyist would just like to know that there emails are destroyed afterward like most providers profess but do not DO. "Other" keyword.

"How about a discrete hobbyist?" Cannot speak for all, but I personally know how to be discreet to a high level. There idiots in every walk of life.

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keystonekid270 reads

I sleep with every person whose phone number is in my phone.  I have female business associates that I call frequently.

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thesquirrel276 reads

To cut down chances of her calling, course you do not leave any explicit message on your number his number. Called being discreet protect him he protects you. We protect each other just a little thoughtfulness goes a long long way this is why my friends return on a regular basis. And you do not call her back if you do it brings more contact you do not need. For me I like to get to know someone First thru e / mail. Happy belated st patricks day. Have a great:) day all.

Kim the nice lady
                          1 am thursday mar 18

Related Link: http://www.preferred411.com/losangeles/misskim

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SweetGirl2006209 reads

and your post just happened to be last, so I hit reply. Of course it wasn't directed at you, you agreed with what I  had said :)

SG06

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anonymousfun290 reads

You are completely and utterly wrong. Haven't got a clue. You generally don't like the hobby and belong to the Moral Police Squad and love to get into other peoples private business.

Go troll some other foggy bottom.

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ADevilsAdvocate271 reads

but just for your information, I have been doing this for many more years than you might fathom.

You don't know me, you don't know anything about me. However, it seems you wanted to take the opportunity to post some simple minded bull shit accusation about me.

Oh... what's the word... having trouble recalling...oh that's right, I know FUCKTARD. Go pound your pud at the soggy "bottom". lmfao

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johngaltnh339 reads

All things pertaining to the hobby electronically are run from an operating system on a thumb drive. (Knoppix) using an encrypted partition for storage of actual data. If unusused for over a minute, the partition must be remounted using a password over 40 characters long. If a bad password is entered three times, the encrypted partition is destroyed.

Electronically, it is far more secure than what most employ.

HOWEVER -- it has weaknesses. If the thumb drive is simply mounted rather than booted; LE can try passwords ad infinitem. According to a cryptologist friend of mine, the algorithm being used is weak enough that only 10 years of computer time would be required to break it.

In addition, if someone were to take a hostage and put a gun to his/her head demanding the password in order to avoid the death of an innocent; it is quite likely because of my hierarchy of values that I would give that up.

However -- there IS another layer of protection. And that is the nature of what is discussed via email isn't prosecutable.

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spooky_one365 reads

don't be fooled. These are absolutely good precautions. AND...

As with our own 'tradecraft', the encryption is only as good as the implementation. Kingston and Verbatim are trusted NIST certified devices, but check the link...

http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=6655

I hope I fat fingered the link correctly on my damned phone!

Bottomline? Trust nothing or nobody, AND we need to watch out for each others backs.

Reach-arounds are encouraged!

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johngaltnh282 reads

I do NOT use the security systems in the thumb-drive because I don't trust them.

Instead, I use a specially hacked linux-kernel implementing Blowfish with a 448-bit key.

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JackStraw11243 reads

you and johngal--nice input on encrypting, have to look into it. thanks

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anonymousfun270 reads

You are thinking too much. Protecting ones privacy takes commonsense. All the technology in the world is not going to save your ass, if you lack common sense.

First rule of security is "Keep it simple stupid" (KISS). When security is hard to use, people don't bother. Like Vista coming and asking "Yes" and "No" for everything and you know how much traction it got.

Rule #2, configure your computer and browser with built in security. You have to do it only once.

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hungry1951258 reads

those of us, like me, who haven't got a fucking clue what he's talking about. It all sounds like spy bullshit to me. I just watch my ass, and cover my tracks. I'm old and tired, and I don't have time to learn how to be electronically invisable, and I don't think that my wanting to get laid occasionally is a threat to national security. I guess I'll just rely on my common sense.

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SweetGirl2006222 reads

I am with you, I don't hurt anybody unless they ask for it, then of course its extra!

So let's stop arguing about who did/ does what and just fuck. Let's leave your wife, kids, job and real life behind and fuck!

SweetGirl2006

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johngaltnh281 reads

My setup is easy to use in day-to-day practice. So in practice it is no more difficult than regular browser security.

That being the case, it is compatible with KISS and common sense.

Just lettin' 'em know I take security seriously.

;-)

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bballs358 reads

and did their contacting you jeopardize in any way your own personal life?

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SweetGirl2006255 reads

and he must have been someone who called about it. This was just an instance were she only had the phone #. She bought it.

Then I had someone who did not clear his browser so his girl found me. She called me in the middle of the night. She was really nice about it all when asking did I know her BF. I told her no one by that name had contacted me, the next morning I called guy at work and let him know what happened and we would need to cancel. Never heard from either again.

My favorite wasn't a phone call or email though! I was doing an outcall while wifey was at work and guess what she decided to come home and surprise hubby for lunch! I had to crawl out the window naked :( We did not get caught, at least I didn't, I really don't know about the guy, I was out!

There have been a couple of others but really the wives just want confirmation and usually if you just explain to them I am an escort but no your man has never contacted me. They usually just say thank you and hang up. After all he could just be using the escort sites as free porn for all I know.

SweetGirl2006

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snaporaz320 reads

that the information on an escort's saved e-mail contains the real name, maybe address, occupation, etc of the hobbyist. A hobbyist saved e-mail does not contain the real name and address of the escort; in terms of perception of privacy that difference is a big deal even though in the end both e-mails can get one in trouble. That being said I totally understand the point of the poster. You cannot teach common sense though this Board sometimes does a good job at trying hard to do so.  Maybe this thread (ant the one below for the matter) will help prevent a few headaches

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-nqbs-323 reads

which would put them at risk to the same degree that personal information on a provider's PC would put a hobbyist at risk.

Now I AGREE that hobbyists should be careful - to cover their own ass as well as to prevent anyone from connecting the provider with the hobbyist, in the event that he is busted by the wifey or becomes an object of interst in an investigation.

But really - an SO accusing you of fucking their man is a huge annoyance but does not really lead to your personal information.

I do not retain provider information as 99/100 are once n dones. The very few I might repeat with, very rudimentary information is kept in a very secure manner requiring NSA grade decryption to retrieve.

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SolaLove344 reads

As much as we try to protect our personal information there is always a hole somewhere that can be found, and suspicious wives are not above installing keyloggers and hiring PI's to do the homework for them.

I once received a letter to my registered business address (yes, I pay taxes and use a DBA) from a spouse inquiring about my services.  I created official letterhead in my business name and sent back a lovely letter letting her know that "we" have a wonderful appointment only erotic art gallery, offer workshops and seminars on various aspects of spiritual sexuality and maintaining the fire in relationships, etc.  I asked her to let me know what her interests were more specifically so that I could match up our offerings to what she was seeking.

In reply I received a many page document that was simply a copy of the address book and emails from her husbands hobby account.  That was the end of our communication.

How did she get my personal address?  I don't know, but it somehow came from her ability to get into his email account.  I'm still waiting to see if she ever pushes to include me in their divorce proceedings.

Please don't tell me that SO contacts do not lead to my personal information.  I've had it happen.

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-nqbs-252 reads

LE loves to contact clients and harass them about why they have been "in contact with known prostitutes". All it takes is a clients contact info on a busted provider's phone or computer.

This is not evidence of a crime per se but it is easily enough to out clients causing family grief and lost jobs.

OTOH, a lady's contact info on a clients computer is *not* evidence of a crime because it is not illegal to be in possession of that information.

And - a jealous wifey or whoever has to go to a lot of trouble to idenify the provider - and even then there is no legal evidence of wrong doing, as long as the lady has been discreet in terms of not listing "services" for "donations".

In terms of their potential ramifications straight up - apples and oranges.

Now look at it this way - an indiscreet client might have one wife and one PI coming after you. A bitch I know - not being unsympathetic at all.

OTOH a provider's computer with many instances of contact info of clients will get *many* guys outed.....

Apples and Oranges.

I do not lack sympathy for the situation you described at all.

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SolaLove287 reads

You are only thinking of your own potential risk as a client.  Clients indiscretions lead to may uncomfortable situations for ladies, not only when they piss their pants and flip on the lady when there is no evidence of wrong doing and they are trying to save their hides, or causing ladies to have to move their incalls (see thread just on this page about incalls being posted in reviews), or causing us to worry about being called into court for divorce cases... the list does go on.

This is a TWO way street and the risks and ramifications are the same on both ends, despite what you may think.  As a professional I make it my business to protect my clients information.  I'm quite certain that none of my clients really even think to do the same for me.

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SweetGirl2006237 reads

Ads Sola I do believe a small % of guys do delete, delete, delete

But we all know for a fact there is a large % of guys who do not delete, delete, delete.

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shudaknownbetter280 reads

I admit to being old fashoned & I don't hobby all the time...
 
A lot of the screw ups seem to be operator errors: failures to log off private accounts!!  I have the computer set to delete & clear on shut down. I always shut the computer down completely when not in use.  I bought her a pricy new laptop she wanted... so she'll leave my old computers alone.  
I use in-private to view adult sites.  I never access adult sites when anyone else is in the suite.  I use a completely separate hobby e-mail, different passwords...  I do not have audio distractions when I'm on adult sites & can hear visitors long before they enter.

I use the TER Favorites & don't keep data on my own computer.  I have TER open when I make the contact...  it's in my hobby phone only until the meeting is completed.  In fact, I delete all numbers after each date.  NOTE:  I do not have many calls on my normal cell & the family plan account makes it vulnerable...  so have never used it for the hobby.  
I delete any hobby "destinations" out of my GPS when I leave her location.
I believe anyone can get discovered IF THERE IS SUSPICION.  I work hard to not leave cookie crumbs.
skb

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Claudius42310235 reads

a providers computer can get many guys outed.
a clients computer can point at many providers.

LE harrasses clients and also harrasses providers, not to arrest and convict just to get them to mive along elsewhere if they've been indiscreet.

an indiscreet client can have more than one wife and a PI, they might have a business / politcal competitor. a provider might have other competing providers.

a jealous wife need not be the only one coming after a client just as a jealous SO or sugardaddy need not be the only one coming after a provider.

a provider may be more exposed because her contact info may be in advertising. so it doesn't take a lot of work to ID the provider: just Google the phone or email and ads pop up.

the main deterrent is not so much security measures (dedicated phone and computer) as laziness on the part of the pursuers of both hobbyists and providers. so many, so little time.

the best defense is discretion and not attracting attention.

as Sola attests it is no big step to go from business contact info to personal contact info. all it requires is a reason to motivate someone enough to exercise an average intelligence.

i've found it necessary, due to an unfortunate experience, to read ALL of a providers reviews in order to get informed about potential clients of hers that may not be friendly to my interests, for instance. some TER handles are indiscreetly and stupidly linkable to handles outside the hobby for instance.



-- Modified on 3/18/2010 1:55:30 AM

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anonymousfun297 reads

Use FireFox and set it up to delete history when you quit. Not cache a damn thing, you can also set FF for clearing the cache automatically. You can also password protect URL's. Simple moves goes a long way.

Also have an option under tools for private browsing. This takes care of History and Cache, never seen.

Mobile Phone, Smart Phone, you are on your won to clear the number.

If you use Smart Phone like iPhone, you can do the same thing under configuration. Other Smart phone's, I haven't got a clue!

By the way if you use Safari, you can do the same.

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hotplants236 reads

are so much more vulnerable to security/information slips than providers.

Bullshit.

Men complain that providers might be keeping contact info or email. And, undoubtedly some are. Thing is though.....if a provider keeps my contact info, or even email exchanges, *if* she gets busted and her computer is confiscated? LE is going to use that information to screw HER, not me.

It may not take a rocket scientist to connect the dots and figure that some contacts in her address book are professional clients. But what is LE actually going to do with that bit of intuitive insight? Track me down and threaten to arrest me for allowing someone else to keep my contact info in their address book?

That kind of criminal behavior must be keeping LE busy these days..lol…

Really. Someone has my contact info. So? Lots of people have my contact info. Hell....I have hundreds of contacts accumulated in my address book that I’ve encountered in a professional situation at one time, or another, that I could not remember if LE took electric probes to my privates.

OTOH, if I’m a client and I keep contact info or email exchanges on my computer, and don’t cover my tracks when I’m surfing escort sites or setting up dates....and my wife catches me? Not only am I gonna be in deep do-do (which would be entirely MY fault), any providers contact info my wife gets her hands on could put that provider in an extremely awkward, if not legally compromised position; subpoena in a divorce proceeding comes immediately to mind.

I’ve actually been subpoenaed in a bitter divorce case (for reasons unrelated to being a provider servicing an information security challenged client). Non the less....not a pretty situation to be in; wouldn’t wish that one on anyone.

Clients are no more vulnerable, or have anything *more* to lose than providers.

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