The last time I said anything to you, it was to acknowledge I was the one who had you shut down for a month and to let you know I'd have no problem doing it again if only to grant a respite to this forum from your incessant snarky self-satisfying smugness. So usually, I would suggest you go start your own thread so you can have someone to talk to.
But this time, I'm going to respond to your usual dishonest retooling of words to suit your odious perspectives. I'm not painting a brush against individual Muslims. There's plenty of decent folks raised in Muslim homes that are more concerned with Jobs and Juniors grades than Jihad. My contention is directed towards the Quran, which directly states it is ok to be dishonest to lie cheat steal and murder in the name of Allah and his Prophet, the pedantic pedophile of perverted portrayed as proper, a vile stain on the fabric of society. The Quran to me, is a work of Evil to be reviled in the same way I revile Mein Kampf. Not unlike the Haredi Rabbis of the Neturei Karta (all 15 of them) ,or the militant Christian Evangelicals (all the thousands of them) who spread their lies and filth in the name of Gawwwd, those who want to destroy any semblance of modern society and return us to the Stone Age must not be mollycoddled in a swaddling cloth of Political Correctness. Now, ponder how to turn that paragraph into something you can twist around 1000%, or go pleasure yourself to a video of Zenga Zenga, I don't care which.What's the word for that again?
(Oh, and you might want to read the OT and all the violence demanded by that wacko God for things like not wearing the right type of clothes)
Speaking of Israel, it looks like Trump is accusing them of backing ISIS:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0YM_iLwXB0
And even if he wasn't pointing the finger at Israel, the most telling part about this is he refuses to name names because it will "hurt his business."
His entire schtick is he's a "STRAIGHT TALKER" yet he's putting making money over the safety of our country?
No surprise.
Looks like almost the entire Jewish community is against Donald, which is odd considering he thinks all Muslims are bad like you do:
http://therealistreport.com/organized-jewish-community-almost-unanimously-condemns-american-hero-donald-trump/
For those of you concerned with events beyond the 3-ring circus of the current campaign of clowns and cretins, I present you with a few nuggets concerning the "Religion of Peace" for your edification and commentary.
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Quran 5:51 - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them, says Muhammad; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."
Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot.
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Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".
This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').
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Quran 9:33 - "It is He Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad) with guidance and the religion of truth, Islam, to MAKE IT SUPERIOR TO ALL RELIGIONS even though the disbelievers of Allah hate it."
Quran 3:85 - "And whoever desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost all spiritual good."
Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief] is worse than killing... And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone."
DG's Postscript - Do I really need to spell it out in chapter and verse? Oh... wait a minute... I just have. You've just read the right of Islamists to proclaim 'Jihad' when and where they want to.
Long Live Mo Hamhead
Its how far too many are interpreting it. THATS the real issue.
Islam desperately needs major reform and it has to come from within. It needs a revolution badly.
In way too many place on the globe, they are acting like they are still in the stone ages.
but as much as I loathe the Christian faith, even I have to concede that while there are some people who take the bible literally and do horrible things in the name of Christ, they are dwarfed in numbers by the number of Muslims who take this horseshit literally and are willing to kill and die because of some dumb shit written in a book written when mankind was barely out of the fucking Stone Age.
The creation of Christianity was certainly the most significant reformation. While the Old Testament certainly has many passages whose brutality rivals those in the Quran, The New Testament and the teaching of Jesus Christ (solely a Christian document) is far more peaceful and non-violent than the Old Testament. The vast majority of Christians now follow the NT in their daily lives rather than the OT.
Indeed Christians (mostly Catholics) have committed severe violence in the name of the "Good Book" but those incidents have been exaggerated and were as much political in nature as they were religious. In fact most of the violent distortions of Christianity over the second millennium have been more political in nature where the lack of separation of church and state allowed politics to take over religion rather than religion taking over the State. Either way, things were done in the name of religion. When peoples loyalties were scarce the church offered the enticements of indulgences. Their perverse and corrupt use eventually resulted in the break away of the Protestants (i.e. Martin Luther). Criticism of the Crusades overlooks the fact they were pretty much self defensive in nature. Criticism of the Spanish Inquisition is more justified but this was more due to the monarchy using the church as a means of control. It officially lasted about 350 years but the "hey day" was the first 100 years where somewhere between 1000 and 4000 executions occurred after maybe 40,000 trials. Who knows how much torture happened? This mentality also gave rise to other abuses such as the reports that Columbus would beat Christianity into the natives. Personally, I think the success of the reformations were due to the increase in education of the general population. Infighting among the Protestants has subsequently resulted in dozens and dozens of denominations resulting in further almost bloodless reformations. More recently, the KKK abused their religious "Christian" beliefs but they were brought down mostly by actual Christians. Of course there is and always will be nut job terrorists willing to murder in the name of their religious principles.
Muslims have not yet passed through any portal afforded them by a second prophet. The only splintering I know of is the Shia/Sunni and the infighting it's created. Not even the Catholics and the Southern Baptists hate each other so much. There's plenty of educated Muslims so I guess my education theory has some holes.
Interestingly the Jews were able to mellow out without the aide of The New Testament, except of course when someone attacks them.
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Though I don't think your education hypothesis is off base. Some of the most tolerant Muslim populations, in history, hailed from places like Constantinople (Turkey), and Alexandria (Egypt). Both very affluent and educated areas. So, in my book affluence and education tend to set the level of modernity in a given group of Muslims. It's the extremely poor and oppressed Muslims who buy into the more fundamentalist beliefs regarding the Qumran. And, it's from these fundamentalist that the Muslim terrorist come from; Osama bin laden, and some of the leaders of Al Queda and ISIL being the major exceptions. So, I believe the more rapidly we can influence increase modernity in these groups the less antagonistic they will be toward us.
The Bible may literally advocate slavery, but no Christian nation has practiced slavery in over 100 years. It may advocate (arguably) killing a child for disrespecting a parent, but there have been no church or temple approved of cases in 2,000 years (only individuals acting without approval)
The same can be said of any historic bad things in that book.
On the other hand, the Koran teaches beheading, stoning, and amputation, going on in dozens of countries legally, with the approval of local imans.
It advocated death for appostates, going on in several countries and approved of by many "mainstream."
It advocates conquest of the infidel by means of force,, which is going on with tens of thousands of devout Moslems, probably more like hundreds of thousands, having taken over large sections of 3 countries, and being the scourge in others.
The same can be said of any historic bad things in that book.
On the other hand, the Koran teaches beheading, stoning, and amputation, going on in dozens of countries legally, with the approval of local imans.
It advocated death for appostates, going on in several countries and approved of by many "mainstream."
It advocates conquest of the infidel by means of force,, which is going on with tens of thousands of devout Moslems, probably more like hundreds of thousands, having taken over large sections of 3 countries, and being the scourge in others.
In secular Islamic nations like Turkey, Sharia law is not applied; in many other Islamic nations, only small portions of the Quran are codified in the criminal justice laws and certainly not the “kill the infidels” portions.
Only in countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia that incorporate large sections of Sharia law and provide that it rules over secular law do you really see medieval Islamic religious principles given de jure application. And even there, religious passages are subject to wide interpretation and recognition of modern norms. For example, Iran has amended its Shariac laws that used to require stoning for adultery.
The reason why “an eye for an eye” and similar dark religious commands in the Bible are not followed in Christian nations is bc secular law is applied, not bc the Bible is necesssarily more peace loving than the Quran
You are blind if you don't realize Bible followers are immensely more peaceful than Mohammed's clans, wherever they reside, regardless of legality of Sharia decrees.
The New Testament is the Bible of Christians.
You have evidence of numerous Bible thumpers, living in the deep hills where laws are often not followed, killing their children for adultery or stoning to death a married adulteress ?
I find it odd though par for the course of blatant hypocrisy, an opponent of water boarding terrorists neglects to see with his own blind eyes, Sharia law in countries where criminals are publicly flogged.
In my opinion most of the UAE, more than 25% of Nigerian states, Yemen, Mauritania, Sudan,
Maldives, Pakistan, Qatar, the two you mentioned{Iran and Saudi Arabia} and others that slipped my mind are die hard enforcers of Sharia law.
In the land of the free and home of the brave we have many Koran followers, in training, hoping for the next generation of Sharia rule.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBaTVwIJH-E
Only in countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia that incorporate large sections of Sharia law and provide that it rules over secular law do you really see medieval Islamic religious principles given de jure application. And even there, religious passages are subject to wide interpretation and recognition of modern norms. For example, Iran has amended its Shariac laws that used to require stoning for adultery.
The reason why “an eye for an eye” and similar dark religious commands in the Bible are not followed in Christian nations is bc secular law is applied, not bc the Bible is necesssarily more peace loving than the Quran.
my “blindness” and “hypocrisy:
“STFU you uneducated simpleton.
Sounds like "someone is on the rag" missing their
"BFF"------
Great thing about you, "Quadimoto", is that your posts have zero crediblity, which is why no one takes your moronic ramblings seriously.”
Sign…I miss that guy. And the only thing I have to add to our esteemed Guest Poster is-
In explaining the difference between the “bad stuff” in the Bible and the Koran, Phil correctly pointed that “no Christian nation” in over 100 years has practiced the “bad stuff.” But he neglected to acknowledge that the same is true with respect to secular Islamist nations and that there is NO Islamic nation that practices all the “historic bad things” in the Quran. Only in countries where Shariac law is codified can these practices take place legally.
To the extent that the “really” bad things go on in the Islamic nations, they are the actions of religious fanatics, not the law of the state. Kill an “apostate” in Iran or Saudi Arabia, and you will be arrested, unless maybe if he is Salmon Rushdi.
So your focus on whether the followers of the Bible “are immensely more peaceful” than the followers of Mohammed is irrelevant to my disagreement with the distinction made by Phil. My post addressed the Bible and the Quran. And the Old Testament is just as much a part of the Bible as the New – so your distinction there is also in error. Indeed, if you think the Bible is inherently more peace loving that the Quran, you would have a difficult time in explaining the Crusades, wouldn’t you
Any group of people who gather themselves in considerable numbers, to watch a crowd stoning women to death for violating laws of men, are much worse than cave men.
I'd convert to Christianity long before I'd give one thoughtful iota of respect, to the misogynist pedophile, Mohammed.
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Muslim+woman+stoned+to+death
Islam desperately needs major reform and it has to come from within. It needs a revolution badly.
In way too many place on the globe, they are acting like they are still in the stone ages.
