any names are mentioned or hinted at I will remove this thread immediately

One thing that I will warn everyone is to stop worrying. It will cause you to have extra stress which will lead to problems with high blood pressure and other health problems.

For a peace of mind please get tested and get tested on a regular basis. Anyone who hobbies a lot should get tested once a month, others every 3 months. Also please make sure you get tested for everything, it might be best to go to a place that is not a public health clinic. I recommend that you pay out pocket and with cash.

In terms of cutting back I am not sure what I am going to do. I probably be more likely to stay with ATFs that I see on a regular basis. New pussy is always fun though. Once people stop bringing this stuff up people will forget and it will be party time again.

In terms of BBBJ, if one is offered it is hard for me to resist. I also like to eat pussy and on rare occasion eat ass(I will probably stop that).

1) I'm most likely not switching to CBJ.
2) HIV cure is very near. morbidity is just shy of a normal life regardless thanks to modern medicine.
3) If the condom accidentally breaks, I'll just dip my dick in listerine or alcohol...  40% vodka or something.
Prolly kills most of the germs instantly if acting quickly.  Any medical scientists/doctors on board wanna confirm/dispute this? lol

I'm so surprised that this wasn't discussed more.

Some guys are still seeing escorts after seeing her. I wondered if they even got tested??

I do worry about seeing a client that has seen an HIV+ provider or any provider with STD's.

We know the risks and being in an area with an HIV+ escort(that's retired) and sharing clientele with her is mind boggling. I limit my risks by getting full panel testing, HPV vaccine, examining a clients genitalia and performing covered BJ whenever possible to decrease my exposure.

Ok I have done many things in this hobby of mines and imho we are all playing with fire.

1st condoms do break and even if u LFK someone with strep throat can pass it right to u.

To the provider who mentioned the saran wrap...Haha. I dont feel anything from dat so whats the point. Might as well lick something warm and wrapped for cheap.

CBJ's are the worst. Were condoms even designed for head? I mean really u might as well jackoff or request a HJ to get that ultimate feeling.

So according to some u want me to pay 300+ for lfk, cbj, and the rest of the positions. How do u stand out from the avg BP provider who provides those same exact services for half the price?

I am all for being safe and just continue to pray to God nothing happens to me from this as I would like to continue living but I might as well not hobby if I wanted to be 100% safe.

There seems to be a lot of denial regarding this issue.
Apparently, the alleged lady was providing for many {? 10} years, and was among the most reviewed on TER.
She likely had thousands of encounters over many years

It is well known that condom use is not 100% safe.
And, everything about HIV transmission is not yet clear.

What would be helpful would be to know time frame when her HIV status converted, as the virus can remain indolent for years before causing symptoms.

I am done with this hobby.  

I found out about this provider contracting HIV a couple of months ago from this board.  The discussion received surprisingly little attention at the time, most likely because the issue of HIV wasn't mentioned in the thread, only that a client had tried scheduling an appointment and received a response stating that she was retiring after contracting a "horrible disease".  The client set up a yahoo account for inquiries and I received an email forward from him that he received from the provider stating that she had indeed contracted HIV.

I met with this provider about two weeks before I found out about this.  Needless to say I went into full blown panic mode and immediately got a HIV PCR (early detection) test...it came back negative.  I have scheduled a follow up antibody test (recommended by my doctor at 8 weeks) for this week.

Before I received confirmation from the client that she had HIV, I tried contacting the provider at the time via text and phone calls, asking her if there was anything I needed to know.  I never got a response.  Obviously she was going through a lot at the time, but she has not properly informed clients in my opinion. She knew me well enough to text me on occasion, letting me know she was available. So while I haven't spoken to her since we met in early August,  the fact that I received no response led me to believe something is up and so I believe the rumor.  I hope this provider will get through this, she is a great person.

I have spoken with a medical doctor with 20+ years experience studying HIV.  He has told me that he has never encountered (or even heard of a legitimate case) where a male has contracted HIV from receiving BBBJ (much less DFK, DATY etc).  Regarding intercourse, condom protected sex is safe sex and the chances of contracting HIV from condom sex is almost zero.

It's very unlikely that any clients contracted HIV from her, but you should all get tested to ease your mind.  This has been a huge wake up call to me, and a rough two months. I have come clean to my spouse regarding my hobby, and we are working through it. I had sex with my spouse after meeting with this provider and I was worried sick I might have transferred something to my wife so I had to tell her, and I'm glad I did because I am done with this shit, it's just not worth it.  Get tested everybody.  

Thank you for alerting me to this risk. I will no longer see ladies with HIV.

is simply not possible.

Everyone is primarily responsible for their own health. I test regularly. Since the last time I saw this provider (over 18 months ago) I have tested didease free on multiple occasions. So I have no immediate personal concern.

If this provider is indeed ill, I wish her and her family/friends the best. However I do not think it likely that the illness came from the hobby, she was too careful. If she had behaviors outside the hobby that were high risk it is more likely the infection came from non hobby activities.

That tells me there are several ways one might proceed.

One is to do everything completely covered. That way you take everything under your own control.

Another way is to try to screen out providers who take risks outside the hobby. That is more difficult but not completely impossible. There are reliability issues with this approach which could only be solved by being intrusive.

Doing everything completely covered and doing additional provider screening may not be feasible for some. For those the options are more limited: stick with those providers that you have an established LTR with and whose habits you know OR drop out of the hobby.

First if you have read through all the information provided about this person it starts with retirement. Then it gets more personal saying how what they got affects their life with spouse and children.

OK what are the chances they were found out by their spouse and that is why they retired? Later someone reached out for legal help, for what? Doesn't say. You think it's for divorce? You think it's because of a bust? You think it's because they want to go after the one who gave it to them?

What are the chances their spouse decided to write that email to spread fear and affect those who wrote reviews, and those would now have to think is it worth the risk?

It is extremely difficult for me to believe they know the exact method of transmission, let alone the person they got it from unless that person came forward and told them they had it and suggested to get tested.

And with all this what are the chances they reached out to anyone who has not has sexual contact in years to give that kind of personal information so it could be spread around. I would think if they did have it they would be more likely to reach out to those who had sexual contact in a specific period of time and simply say please get tested and keep this private.

What are the chances? Well, I think it's more likely this rumor is just that, a rumor,  more than it is actually true.

What are the chances of oral transmission? There are no statistics or factual accounting of cases with 100% certainty the transmission was due to oral sex. Is it possible, of course. But before everyone starts freaking out please spend time to become informed outside of this forum.

For the guys, the chances you will not get HIV from receiving a BBBJ unless you are cut and have open sores, she bites your dick off, or doesn't know what a blow job is and tried to inflate your dick like a balloon.

Anyone who is shocked or surprised by any of this has never taken the time to know what the risks are. It is more likely you will be arrested in the course of your time in the hobby that to contract HIV unless you like to have bare back sex with junkies, in that case your chances are very good you will catch something if not HIV.

How risky is it?

There are a few known cases of people getting HIV from giving oral sex (licking or sucking). There are no known cases of someone getting HIV from receiving oral sex (being licked or sucked). Experts believe that oral sex without protection is less risky than other kinds of sex, but all agree that it is possible to get HIV from giving oral sex to an HIV-infected partner without protection, especially if the HIV-infected partner ejaculates in the mouth. Certain factors, such as the presence of any cuts or sores in the mouth, are thought to increase the riskiness of oral sex.

Giving oral sex (blow job) to a man has been proven to carry some risk of getting HIV, although most scientists believe the risk is relatively low. The risk increases if the person giving the blow job has any cuts or scrapes in his or her mouth, even small ones that can be caused by brushing or flossing right before sex. To have safer oral sex, avoid getting any semen in your mouth, either by stopping oral sex before ejaculation or by using a nonspermicidal condom. You can use an oral barrier such as a dental dam or plastic wrap to make oral-anal sex (rimming) safer.

Giving oral sex to (going down on) a woman is also relatively low risk. The possibility of infection is higher if there is menstrual blood, if the woman has another STD in addition to HIV, or if the person performing oral sex has sores or cuts in the mouth. You can use an oral barrier such as a dental dam or plastic wrap to make oral-vaginal sex (cunnilingus) or oral-anal sex (rimming) safer.

I've read only 1 maybe 2 post that bring out the fact that the chances she contracted the HIV was via her Civi life.  

Given everyone thinks/believes/experienced that she was so careful in her provider life that the chances are greater she contracted in her civi life.  And hell, may have even contracted from her hubby.

Given her apparent safety in the hobby she may not have even passed it to her clients.

The scenarios are endless.  But the point is.  The impact of what she does and what she practices in her civi life and it's contribution to increasing her risks of contracting HIV has not been fully considered.

Lets not jump to conclusions here.  Everyone is going by an email in which the provider sent a form email to hobbyists who emailed her indicating that she caught a "horrible disease" and she is retiring.  The provider never said she is HIV positive and no one has seen her test results.   HIV is a horrible disease but so is herpes and other diseases.  While it is a good idea to get tested for HIV on a regular basis as others have said, the risk of catching HIV from bbbj is low although you can easily catch a number of other STDs.   It is also possible that someone like LE took over her email account and intended to scare everyone away from this hobby.  Stranger things have happened.  Lets be careful out there but don't assume things that are not certain.

OK...

As someone in the health care field I feel compelled to respond.  

First, I do not know who this person is, or what manner of service she was providing. On a personal level, I wish her all the best.  The drugs available today are much less disruptive and she can still expect to have a good long life as long as she follows medical protocols.

As for everyone freaking out...

Oral sex... it is an extremely low risk for HIV transmission.  So low it has never been statistically proven to actually be a route of transmission.  Enzymes in the saliva are exceedingly good at destroying the virus and the reported cases that claim this as a route of transmission are not particularly well documented in all honesty.  

Vaginal sex with a condom... you are again, at a REALLY low risk for transmission.  Granted the woman is more vulnerable given anatomy, but still, it is really low.  

Your biggest risk if you are a provider is anal intercourse...  Just due to the anatomy.  Again, using a condom reduces the risk astronomically.  

The only real way you are exposing yourself to a "good" chance of HIV transmission is if you are engaging in bare back sex either vaginally or anally.  Oral sex is more likely to transmit herpes than HIV in all honesty...  But again, even that is relatively small and within statistical margins that can not actually claim to count it as a vector of transmission.  

The bottom line is that if you are having sex with providers and NOT using condoms...well, you are running a big risk.  If you are using condoms correctly, you are almost assuredly safe.

Stop freaking out.  Yes, get tested, but do not spread false info.  Study after study shows that when condoms are introduced into heterosexual communities the HIV transmission rate practically drops off the charts.  The only real new cases almost always involve an admission by the individual that they did indeed have unprotected sex and in many cases it was anal.  

I hope this helps...