in his lifetime. He has the keyboard. Bring it.
Do you have any intelligent medical or ACA issue you can bring up?
Do you want to show us your medical skills?
Of course you don't. You are equally ignorant of both, and are posting like a ten year old and always will. Not worth the time.
OK. while the previious poster basically wants to self-masturbate on his own posts, I want to discuss.
Takes on several items...
1) Effects on the election
You can argue both sides here, through my conservative glasses I see this helping Romney because it will not be the rallying cry for the election. So many thought it would be thrown out by the court that they did not give it much thought. Now that it is uphead, the only hope the right has is through legislation. Since the bill is unpopular with many undecided voters, I see this could be a plus for him.
2) The future of health care.
Like I said in an earlier post, the 1% are not affected, they will be able to go whereever they wish to seek the best healthcare. However, while I see more people covered, I see a decline in the quality of healthcare and the eventual natural rationing which will have to occur. Now that payments will start to be more controlled (and do not fool yourself, with this system we will soon be at single payer), fewer people will move into the medical profession. Who wants to go to college for 12 years, do a 3 year residency and take on a lot of college debt if there is no payday at the end of the road. The lack of doctors will lead to rationing and eventually we will have to lower the standards to get more doctors into the system. This will lead to an influx of doctors from other countries whose training would not pass muster in todays standards. End of the day, you are seeing a less qualified doctor.
So, what are everyone else's take on this?
there are people who call themselves Americans who are celebrating this loss of freedom and personal choice.
The Supreme Court just allowed the Congress and/or the President to dictate what you can or can't, or must or must not, purchase without penalty.
How soon will it be before Obama/ Congress demands all Americans to buy:
1. a General Motors electric car or pay a "tax"
2. renewable energy sources for your home or pay a "tax"
3. buy a gym membership to be "healthy" or pay a "tax"
4. eat what food they tell you to eat or pay a "tax"
and the list goes on....
Kiss your Constitutional freedoms goodbye.
We are on the path of socialism and eventually, when Obama has made Congress irrelevant, dictatorship.
Well, I know not what others will do, but I WILL NOT COMPLY!
1) I'm an American. I was born at Edwards Air Force Base's hospital.
2) I'm a physician and I think I understand medicine as well as you. Several hundred thousand patients in the past.
3) We still have 22 million uncovered.
4) S. Ct. underscored your right to refuse mandate and pay the tax.
We need wealthy people to pay their fair share of taxes.
I wanted the public option. I hope truly that you and your family remain in the best of health for all your lives, but this can help you.
Right now I know several women who have metastatic breast cancer who have been thrown into bankruptch with their medical bills. And Genetech came out with a very promising break through drug last week. We will progress significantly against breast cancer in the next few years, and I want these women and their families to be able to afford the new meds.
Instead of throwing out taunts and childish bullshit, act like a man with a medical degree and some sense of maturity.
Your long thread of posts to yourself after the Court's decision was announced was pathetic. If you treat your patients in the same manner you speak your opinion, you would not have anyone trusting their health in your care.
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Thank you
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incapable of a mature discussion and who understands nothing about the ACA or as we like to call it, Romnahcare.
I hit a nerve.
You're Welcome
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BTW it is called obamaDon'tcare
and I wouldn't concern yourself that I give a rat's ass what you write or think. You're incapapble of any mature discussion like most of the GOP full of sound, fury, rants, and flames, unable to have a significant impact on anyone in your life.
You live to sit here in mommy's basement and flame.
I do not want you or your kind to give a rats ass or agree with what i write or think because if you did then that would confirm that I was on the wrong side of everything.
Whose dank dirty basement are you in?
Is that where you do your pertend doctoring?
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in his lifetime. He has the keyboard. Bring it.
Do you have any intelligent medical or ACA issue you can bring up?
Do you want to show us your medical skills?
Of course you don't. You are equally ignorant of both, and are posting like a ten year old and always will. Not worth the time.
Then why did you reply ?
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And, of course we know why! You're afraid to get a public smack down. 
Does Mr. Golfer have a significant issue that's political that you'd like to discuss in an adult manner? Do you want to tell me what that is? I'd be happy when I can get here to do that with you. I can do that.
The nanosecond I posted here anything at all serious, well written, and tried to have an intelligent argument about a week ago, and tried to have civil discourse I was flamed with the usual bullshit insults. Perhaps that resulted in me spiking the ball. It means a lot to me that a parent of a child with a significant disease will now be covered. It means a lot to me that women with breast cancer now will have additional avenues of coverage. It means a helluva lot that Americans with pre-existing serious conditions will be covered. I still worry about the 26 million people who won't be covered. I'm not convinced insurance premiums have been attacked the way they would have if we had had the public option or single payer for all.
We should have had a public option. We may still.
I have not seen anyone here who says medical care will suffer under the ACA state with any specificity or supporting authority how they arrived at this conclusion.
Many of us have suffered through having our patients have to decide between food and necessities and their medications. More of them will have coverage. Come 2014 and years after, the ACA will take its place besides SSA and Medicare as helpful to Americans.
I lament that the administration hasn't had the money that GOP Billionaires have had to trash this legislature and spread pandemic ignorance. I have yet to see anyone from GOP here who has a basic grasp of the ACA. I'm happy to help them get a grasp.
If you have any issue that you want to discuss like an adult who can swing a pitching wedge, I'm happy to do so.
You know damn well that the GOP would have spiked the hell out of the ball.
If you have a legitimate question on the medical economics aspects of the ACA, I'll be happy to discuss them with you in a professional manner.
I've made the points that
Texas has the most aggressive malpractice cap law and it has lowered physician rates 19.5% and Texas has the 2nd worst child and adult access to medical care.
Malpractice insurance across state lines that the GOP House uses as a mantra would result in a pandemic of substandard health insurance in every state.
The day you want to discuss something in a mature manner, I'm happy to participate.
Otherwise, withold your evaluation of people you do not know personally when it comes as a flame. That's very immature.
sounding a little better.
My comment to you had absolutely NOTHING to do with Obamacare, nor the decision handed down by the SC.
My comment was pointed toward your childish and immature taunting of everyone by trying to act like a high school kid spouting off.
Yes, the Republicans would have spiked the ball today. And, yes, I really don't care. This issue as far as I am concerned never really was going to affect the November election.
My point was not politics. It was your stupid behavior.
or your self aggrandizing opinion as arbiter of someone's conduct you don't know, or in other words if you want to discuss a political issue since that's what this board is for, I can do that.
Otherwise, your self-importance as some kind of judge of character or conduct is pretty irrelevant.
Do you have an issue? I linked some S. Ct. information. I'm happy when I have time to discuss that opinion, or the election prospects.
You're dead wrong about the ACA opinion impacting the election. It impacts it hugely. Cantor and Boehner are only going to hurt themselves with their imbecilic repeal effort. And the Senate won't let that happen nor will the administration.
Now that ACA is law, and it's not going to be overturned in your lifetime, people will begin to learn what it does for them and what it doesn't. It helps a huge number of people. It does not hurt small business. And the campaigns to shift public opinion will shift to smearing Obama, and they will lose but the country will win.
Again do you have an issue? Can you get off of the meme that you somehow are some appointed arbiter of judgement on my behavior. Do you want to discuss an issue, ask a question, debate an issue or whatever or do you want to continue to obsess about your assessment based on no imfo about me?
You have not offered anything you want to discuss, so I'm going to consider you're a lost cause here to troll and flame. And you'r obsessed with others instead of making your own behavior constructive.
Start a new thread, be adult and state your positions on Obamacare and what you like.
I and my friend/arch-nemesis Willy ( hope you forgive me for speaking for you on this Willy) will be there to oppose you and point out where we think you are wrong and support you on areas we agree on.
You do yourself no favors with the thread you started with and only make yourself look silly. You might be surprised, but the are certain parts of the bill I think many conservatives agree with in principal, but just disagree on the implementation.
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Never mind "several," only 100,000 patients, at 8 separate individual patients a day, each day for 300 days a year (6 days a week for 50 weeks) would necessitate having practiced medicine non-stop for 42 years to acquire this clientele.
Eight patients a day. Most doctors see a patient every 15 minutes!
Keep your fantasy life or delusions out of your thinking or can't you?
Do you want to discuss an issue? I'll do that but I'm not going to sit here and field your delusions and flames about me. I assume you know next to nothing about medicine.
Again which ass did you pull your delusions about how many patients I've ever seen per day from? The one near your head or the one you sit on and shit from?
You didn't answer the question, you changed the subject.
By taking the usual leftist tact of attacking the questioner personally.
You have had "several hundred thousand individual patients" over the course of your "career," from which subsequently you claim an "expertise" on individual medical choice policy? And you're attempting to do this (for hours on end) in the middle of the business day? On a "medical" web site, no less. So, explain to us.
I know enough about medicine, in as much as which medical issues concern me. My medical costs, as a MA resident, have multiplied fourfold in the past five years. Not because of my insurers, not because of my physical condition, but because of "government."
But then, health control isn't about insurance, let alone medicine, anyways, is it?
Do you want to discuss an issue? I'll do that but I'm not going to sit here and field your delusions and flames about me. I assume you know next to nothing about medicine.
Again which ass did you pull your delusions about how many patients I've ever seen per day from? The one near your head or the one you sit on and shit from?
several hundred thousand is what? 300,000 total?
32 per day, (he probably squeezes them in in 15 min blocks) x 5 days = 160/week
160 x 50 work weeks/ yr. = 8,000/yr.
300,000 total patients / 8,000 patients/yr = 37.5 years of practice.
My guess is, the ass you pulled the 8 patients per day out of is the one under Jeffy's nose, am I close?
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I am not sure if you are serious about your last comment but that is what it comes down to, knowing that you have the liberty to disagree and not comply with laws that infringe on your liberties.
People fret about a law taking their guns away - a law is a piece of paper, that cannot take your guns away - a person has to physically come and take your guns away and you have to agree to give them up.
Just like people think that the Constitution, a collection of laws, is going to protect them from tyranny -ahuh -do you still believe that in 2012? A piece of paper cannot protect you from tyranny.
There are two things in this life, liberty and consequenses, you have the liberty to do whatever you want as long as you are ready to accept the consequenses.
For those who may be afraid of the consequenses I will tell you that in this case their is an easy way to avoid paying this tax or buying health insurance, hopefully those who believe in personal liberty and responsibility will carry through with this and not those that want to game the system. There are a few of us out here who prepare for a raining day on our own but who lead responsible lives and healthy lives who go decades without going to the hospital or doctor.
For those people I give you this out of this BS - claim that you are Christian Scientist. This religion does not believe in modern medicine and those who practice the faith will be exempt from this crap. They cannot take issue with your religion, so stop worrying about having to pay for someone else's health care through insurance mandates - become Chritian Science, at least for purposes for getting out of this scam - beat a scam with a scam if you must.
The Supreme Court just allowed the Congress and/or the President to dictate what you can or can't, or must or must not, purchase without penalty.
How soon will it be before Obama/ Congress demands all Americans to buy:
1. a General Motors electric car or pay a "tax"
2. renewable energy sources for your home or pay a "tax"
3. buy a gym membership to be "healthy" or pay a "tax"
4. eat what food they tell you to eat or pay a "tax"
and the list goes on....
Kiss your Constitutional freedoms goodbye.
We are on the path of socialism and eventually, when Obama has made Congress irrelevant, dictatorship.
Well, I know not what others will do, but I WILL NOT COMPLY!
You raise very important questions and I'm sure you're a student of history.
I don't know your age, but when Roosevelt started SSA and Medicare they were very unpopular.
I've had conversations with very bright Republicans and Democrats and many of them don't know anything about the ACA, and some of them are MDs.
GOP and their lobbyists outspent Democrats 3 to 1 to discredit ACA.
Most people don't appreciate what it does, just like SSA and Medicare when they were passed years ago. GPO kept Congress from phasing it in for the most part until 2014 as you know.
People who are taking advantage of it for the most part what they can now access are very appreciative of it.
22 million will not be covered even with the ACA. I'll save you some trouble. Romney isn't going to get elected, and he couldn't repeal ACA anyway. Neither could the Tea Party dominated House.
Insurance comapnies are going to throw their lobbying money toward ACA because it makes them money with the mandate.
You have to have people who aren't making sizable claims in the pool for insurance companies to be able to accept people without pre-existing conditions, and they'll still raise rates.
A few more quick points:
You said that (and my state needs more of them) people will stop applying to med schools and you mentioned residency. I may not know as much about medicine as you do (I don't know) but I am an MD and I did 6 years of residency.
I get an awful lot of medical journals that have addressed the ACA like NEJM. I also have seen a lot of patients--8 years ER and more years than I'm going to tell you in primary care.
1) 67% of 4600 physicians surveyed by AMA--I can link this if you need it approve the entire ACA.
2) Two Republican mantras are terrible. One is insurance across state lines. Talk to anyone and they'll tell you that would lower standards for health insurance to make it screw millions of people.
3) Robert Wood Johnson studied lowering malpractice caps. Texas is a state that has done this the most. Lowering the caps is good for us the physicians because on average it lowers our malpractice premiums 19%. But it does nothing for our patients--and one of them would probably be you unless you are both an MD and a patient.
So those two things GOP pushes, don't work. Google Robert Wood Johnson malpractice cap study and you'll see the proof.
We do have a shortage of physicians in most states, and one of the reasons is that insurance companies have become a big hasssle. If we bill very routine services now, some of them hold up reimbursement just to make us spend more time collecting it.
ACA is going to help an awful lot of people. Many Republican voters hate it because they hate African Americans and they are bigots. The Teaparty rallies weren't people with the kind of education I'd want for my kids, and hopefully that you'd want for yours.
I will enjoy getting my popcorn to watch Romney who right now is afraid to take any questions from entities other than Fox and Friends thrash around. John Boehner and his merry Teaparty gang as well.
Have a wonderful day eurudite Mr. Snowman. I'm glad to hear you know so much about medicine.
....lower standards for health insurance?
Hi Hannah--
Thanks for asking an intelligent question about an issue instead of the usual 5 year-old level flames and mud slinging here. The little boys want to impress the girls because they think that will somehow get them laid better.
The common GOP meme has been (and it's verbatim repeated by every Republican office holder because they have centralized emailing to stay on message) is that insurance across state lines would lower premiums, and to use what Romney has parroted, "create laboratories for democracy."
Every bill that has been written to get this done Hannah, or policy that has discussed thishas a strong provision in it to allow states to abandon any standards. For example, you're in Georgia. In order for health care policies to be marketed, they have to include certain minimum standards of coverage that protects you when you have a serious illness where costs mount quickly.
Every idea, policy or bill that the GOP has advanced to sell across state lines gets rid of any minimum standards that Georgia or any other state has, and they all have them--some states better than others. Those standards offer some protection for you so that your insurance policy will cover most major illnesses in some reasonable fashion. They are minimal however.
So any bills to get insurance across state lines throws out requirements for minimum coverage standards, and you would absolutely have policies that are close to worthless and people would be ripped off if they bought them. States wouldn't be able to set standards for plans like they do now, and insurance rates would even go higher.
The ACA (which I like to call Romney Care because that's what he fought for in Massachusetts when he was governor) and you'll see his speeches for it now all over TV until November, doesn't do very much to lower the cost of insurance for people who are well, but it sure does for people with pre-existing conditions. The insurance companies were very much for the individual mandate and had the Supreme Court shot down the ACA, they had plans in place to really jack up rates.
Another common myth is that if we had malpractice caps in every state it would lower the cost of insurance. Nothing could be further from the truth. Texas has the most aggessive malpractice caps--limits of what docs can be sued for. That has lowered the cost of malpractice insurance for docs in Texas, and states that have done this 19.5% (Robert Wood Johnson Foundation did the largest study) but it hasn't lowered the cost for patients a cent. Texas along with California has the worst access to medical care for kids and adults of any of the states.
One cause near and dear to me and a lot of people who see sick people is that women with breast cancer often get immediately dropped from their coverage and they end up with painful metastases and bankruptcy. The companies don't want to pay for the new meds that can keep these women alive like Genetech's Perjeta used with Herceptin to keep women with metastatic breast cancer alive hopefully for years. Perjeta wholesales at 6 grand a month, and Herceptin at $4500 and a typical 18 month course costs around $190,000. Insurance companies don't want to pay for these drugs that these women need.
Jeff
Very disappointing however
Though I do not like the decision, I must respect it.
No doubt boy-willy and pri-boy are cumming in their pants….oh wait they can’t ,neither of them have any balls. Well they are sure to be celebrating with some illicit substance.
Is it really a victory for obams? He has now imposed the largest TAX increase in history, when in the past he INSISTED it was NOT a TAX. If he spikes the football in his next speech it may just bounce back up and hit him in the nuts.
Just because it is ruled constitutional does not mean it is a good, reasonable, law for the economy or our health.
There is always repeal.
There is still the holder contempt vote later today.
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someone needs to tell Obimbo that it IS a tax.
And congradulate him on getting his tax increase passed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UcxU8PtzRs