you embrace it or embrace them.
I'm not religious at all but I can like relate to catholisism because that's what I would be expected to be. For me all religions are ok.
according to wikipedia they are:
lust, gluttony, greed, sloth, wrath, envy, and pride,
Lust is our favorite here, cool.
Gluttony, who doesn't like to eat good. But then we don't want to get too fat. So we (at least I) try to balance it.
greed: n/a. That would buy into buying stuff and that don't go with me or mrnogood.
sloth: hey, we work because we have to.
wrath: n/a. I only feel a bit of self anger for not having been better or more. But i don't blame others.
envy and pride: n/a for me but I've seen it mostly on women I have known.
So there you go. You either embrace it or it doesn't apply to you.
Then there is the association of a association of the sin with a demon
Lucifer/Satan is associated with pride. I like satan not as a evil being but as a cool being idea.
So I see God and satan and mrnogood or other person or whatever I might like as cool whatevers that might or might most probably not exist. Except for mrnogood or whatever other entity which I'm comparing them to, which does exist.
Maybe I should take my catholisims seriously. I think I would make a good priest or for that matter a pastor, rabbi, reverend or whatever.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmAqwsla47E&feature=related
Comment on that. I suspect many of us go to church, as I do ( Catholic girl here). How do you justify what you do ( either as a provider or a hobbyist) knowing that lust is one of the Seven Capital Sins?
From God's mouth to your eyes and ears:
Hosea 4:14,
"I will not punish your daughters when they play the harlot
Or your brides when they commit adultery,
For the men themselves go apart with harlots
And offer sacrifices with temple prostitutes;
So the people without understanding are ruined."
You might also enjoy reading through Joshua 2:1-24.
You have asked an earnest question in a very unearnest and disreligious place. Many of the posters on this board take delight and great pride in displaying their irreverence on this subject. If someone asks a question like this or attempts to make a point that is not derived from a secular humanist, non-relativist point-of-view they are often answered with a variation on "you shouldn't be involved in the hobby if you believe that."
Contrary to what many believe, churches are NOT buildings that serve as exclusive clubs for saintly, cuntless, cockless, pious religious people. During His time spent here on earth, Jesus himself preferred the company of whores, thieves and other people of that sort (you know, sinners?). As a matter-of-fact, it was the "religious," and self-righteous who resisted Him most violently.
There is a great divide between religion versus faith. Religion is that corporate entity founded to enforce mass obedience to legalities. Religion creates churches, makes-up rules about how many times folks are allowed to shake the piss off their dicks before they start sinning, and composes various lists about Venal and Deadly Sins as well as the costs (Hail Marys & $$$) associated with absolution from them. And then there's faith. The best definition I've seen is:
Hebrews 11:1-3.
"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear."
The just live by faith. Sinners live by their unsuccessful obedience to rules.
Just "in case" you aren't near your Bible at the moment:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Joshua%202&version=KJV
Raquel Welch as "Lust" in Bedazzled.
"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear."
And here is Wallace Stevens answer to that very passage in his famous poem “Sunday Morning”
"Why should she give her bounty to the dead?
What is divinity if it can come
Only in silent shadows and in dreams?
Shall she not find in comforts of the sun,
In pungent fruit and bright green wings, or else
In any balm or beauty of the earth,
Things to be cherished like the thought of heaven?
Divinity must live within herself:"
I think this paganistic approach to divinity – which exists only through faith – is the one that rings most true to the guys and gals of TER.
you embrace it or embrace them.
I'm not religious at all but I can like relate to catholisism because that's what I would be expected to be. For me all religions are ok.
according to wikipedia they are:
lust, gluttony, greed, sloth, wrath, envy, and pride,
Lust is our favorite here, cool.
Gluttony, who doesn't like to eat good. But then we don't want to get too fat. So we (at least I) try to balance it.
greed: n/a. That would buy into buying stuff and that don't go with me or mrnogood.
sloth: hey, we work because we have to.
wrath: n/a. I only feel a bit of self anger for not having been better or more. But i don't blame others.
envy and pride: n/a for me but I've seen it mostly on women I have known.
So there you go. You either embrace it or it doesn't apply to you.
Then there is the association of a association of the sin with a demon
Lucifer/Satan is associated with pride. I like satan not as a evil being but as a cool being idea.
So I see God and satan and mrnogood or other person or whatever I might like as cool whatevers that might or might most probably not exist. Except for mrnogood or whatever other entity which I'm comparing them to, which does exist.
Maybe I should take my catholisims seriously. I think I would make a good priest or for that matter a pastor, rabbi, reverend or whatever.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmAqwsla47E&feature=related
Only forgiveness! That's what I'm hoping for.
The teachings of any religion represent the ideal. The reality is that people are -WOW, SIT DOWN - People. They have flaws. They are not perfect.
Even the strictest Catholic should recognize the concept of temptation and the fact the people give in.
It is not hypocracy to fail to live up to an ideal. It is better to have higher standards than you can live up to, and strive to reach those standards, than it is to have no standards that are easy to live up to.
Gluttony is a sin also, but sometimes I can't resist. That doesn't mean it is good.
When I used to smoke a friend asked me to talk to his kid who was starting to smoke. I told him why it was stupid, and he asked why I smokes, since I intentionally gave him the lecture while I was smoking. I explained I was weak and stupid, but it was better not to do what i was doing. I wasn't a hypocrite with two standards. I had one standard that I wasn't strong enough to live up to.
ass hole?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yA7HUlJsW8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb6HJ4CkPuI
That might explain why he hates fags.
Just because one (or some) person says something stupid, that doesn't reflect on religion.
Here you have one stupid person. When did he become the voice of religion? Does this guy speak ex cathedra?
If I find a picture of a liberal with a stupid sign does that prove other liberals are assholes?
He, she, it, is not an ass hole for asking for a higher standard. It is better to have higher standards that people can strive for, rather than be willing to accept lower standards.
The other thing that is the "saving grace," if you will, it that religion doesn't demand the impossible. If you fail, there are means of recognizing your short comings and trying to do better in the future.
I have a question for you. Do you think it is better to have higher goals that you have to strive to achieve or lower goals that you can reach without effort?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yA7HUlJsW8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb6HJ4CkPuI
not a perfect person. Many people put down religion by pointing to imperfect religious people.
It can make a good person better, and it can also make a bad person worse. I say that as a supporter, but not believer, in religion.
The thing is it also has the potential of transforming a bad person to a good person - I have seen it many times with some pretty rotten clients who became believers.
It is possible, I don't think getting religion causes as many people to go bad.
I visited a Masonic Temple a few months ago. I knew nothing of their philosophy. It was explained that they only require two things of members: a belief in some God and a desire to become a better person.
a religious community and their beliefs to exercise bad behavior. I can't think of seeing times where religion made a good person into a bad person other that what they can do in their (typically a new convert) enthusiasm to set right what they see as being wrong or in proselytizing. I don't count religious wars in the past, because though on the surface the later two points were true, the real basis', in my view, were based on economic.
If we meet for coffee or a drink first, then no. We Mormons can't drink coffee or alcohol. I prefer providers that enjoy a mild broth.
