Newbie - FAQ

Hi thedoctorscompanion, Welcome to the confusion that is sometimes TER land...
xyz23 45 Reviews 331 reads
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First, no the system doesn't automatically limit the score if the provider doesn't qualify for a score above 7 in performance. What happens is TER will reject you review because you rated her too high and expect you to fix it and resubmit. Sometimes they fix the score and post the review with the adjusted score they assigned which will be the highest score she does qualify for.

Second, yes more than one guy does count toward being eligible for a score higher than 7.  I pointed this discrepancy in the Review FAQ's out to TER some years ago. They actually did "fix" it but somewhere along the way it was changed back.

Therefore there are 5 extra services the provider can offer in order to qualify for a performance score higher than 7.
1. kiss with tongue
2. bare back blow job
3. be really bi
4. more than one guy
5. anal intercourse

Any three of those on her profile qualify her for a 10. Please note she doesn't have to have actually performed any of those during the session being reviewed. She simply has to offer them (ie. they have to be on her profile as available). What kind of sense that makes eludes me every time I consider it. But I'll leave that discussion for another time.

It's important to point out here that if the review is for a Newbie provider who has no established profile you will be creating her profile by reviewing her. TER will likely want the services you put in her profile to have actually been performed during the session you are reviewing. If you are also a newbie and have not submitted any reviews on other providers your review will receive more scrutiny and may be held until you submit more reviews or she receives a review from an established reviewer

thedoctorscompanion2083 reads

When a reviewer is inputting the max score, is the maximum limited automatically by the system if she has "No" or "Don't know" in the pertinent fields? If a provider has "Yes" at really bi, bbbj, and dfk, I assume the system allows for a 10. What if she has "YMMV" for one of those fields? Does the system/TER still allow for a max of 10?

Also, does more than one guy count as something that adds to the maximum possible? With the current language (quoted below), it sounds like it does in the first paragraph, then not so much in the second.

"For performance ratings, it is asked that you please save the 8, 9, and 10 ranks for situations where out of the ordinary services are provided (i.e. Blow Job - without condom, Kissing - with tongue, Anal - Yes, and Really Bi - Yes, More than One Guy - Yes). Of course, the 10 rating should be reserved for an experience that is really worth a million!

An escort provider is only eligible to earn up to a 7, unless she is willing to perform one or some of the following during a session: Kisses With Tongue, Bare-Back Blow Job, Really Bi, and Anal Sex. For each of these services that are offered, her potential max score is raised by one point, with 10 as an absolute maximum."

NoYellowEnvelope490 reads

... More than one guy counts for additional possible points above 7.  See below.

It's not "automatic" but is checked by Admin.  Sometimes they make a mistake, one way or the other.  

I am pretty sure "YMMV" won't count.

Note that the provider won't qualify for the score above 7 unless there's some evidence beyond the profile, e.g. review(s) that mention the extra-credit service(s), that the provider actually offers those services.  Just having the Yes'es in the profile isn't enough.  

 
"In order to keep our performance ratings consistent, we set up the following system: An escort provider is only eligible to earn up to a 7, unless she is willing to perform one or some of the following during a session: Kisses With Tongue, Bare-Back Blow Job, Really Bi, Anal Sex, or More than One Guy. For each of these services that are offered, her potential max score is raised by one point, with 10 as an absolute maximum. This does not mean she earns extra points for offering the service(s); just that she is now eligible for a higher score. Her maximum eligible score is based on what is offered, not what is performed during your session with her. You may or may not be interested in the “extra” services she offers, but the fact she offers them makes her eligible for the higher score. Remember, it’s your review; within these guidelines you still get to decide what her score should be. If your review rates a provider higher than her maximum score, the score will be adjusted down to her maximum."

what you said in the part I've quoted below were true however it isn't. Well not always at least.

"Note that the provider won't qualify for the score above 7 unless there's some evidence beyond the profile, e.g. review(s) that mention the extra-credit service(s), that the provider actually offers those services.  Just having the Yes'es in the profile isn't enough."  

Note what TER says below (this was taken from the passage you posted in your reply to the OP.

Her maximum eligible score is based on what is offered, not what is performed during your session with her.

 
I'm sure there have been instances where what you say actually happened (I noted in my reply to the OP where the services might receive more scrutiny.) but I know there are instances where it did not and these instances are in the majority I'm afraid.

NoYellowEnvelope415 reads

... we live and write reviews in the present, so...

I know this is true because I've earned many VIP days reporting violations of this rule, especially on initial reviews for a provider.  Example:  profile says "kisses with tongue" and performance score of initial review is 8.  But the review doesn't mention kissing at all.  BUZZZZZ!  Review had to be changed to mention kissing with tongue before the 8 was allowed.  

You know as well as I do that humans aren't perfect and thus the review rules aren't perfectly enforced. But I do know whenever I've reported a review that didn't follow the rule you're disputing, my report was upheld.

-- Modified on 5/24/2016 8:45:16 PM

...and you pointed out another situation where though initial reviews of providers have gotten more scrutiny in my experience it seems not enough if you're having to report them. Everything we've said here supports my statement in the subject line of my reply to the OP. "Welcome to the confusion that is sometimes TER land..."

NoYellowEnvelope356 reads

You disputed that what I said above is true. In fact, it is true. But like other rules enforced through manual processes, the enforcement is imperfect.  

Have you never reported a review that had some violation of review guidelines?  If you've reported some, does that mean the rule that was violated doesn't exist?  No, it means somebody goofed.  

Look up. There's been over 1.3 MILLION reviews published here. If only 1% had an error in the approval process, that's over 13,000 errors. Yes, that's "lots".   But that doesn't mean the guidelines don't exist.

Hopefully this kind of thing will continue. I'm simply more skeptical than you.  

This is something they need to put in the guidelines now that it's happening since the statement "Her maximum eligible score is based on what is offered, not what is performed during your session with her." doesn't lead to thinking it actually matters if the service is ever provided at any time.

I'm curious about how it went the first time you filed a problem report on a matter like this. Did they immediately agree or did they go back and forth with you some? I believe this information (this discussion) is useful here for others to read.  

I suppose you may think I'm being argumentative for argument sake but some of my experience here along with those I've read of others has made me a skeptic. (I tend to be that way in everything.) I'll pound on something until I wear it out. My take on the scoring of the review system isn't completely positive so I'll come at it hard when anything related to it comes up.

Thanks for the new information.

NoYellowEnvelope309 reads

Abd yes, I think you're being argumentative for argument's sake. And I think it's worn out.  :)   This subject has been discussed before.  The reviews system isn't perfect--I pointed that out above a few times--but that doesn't mean that every time someone tries to help explain the rules they should be challenged ad nauseum until they give in or give up.

GaGambler355 reads

The only thing consistent about TER's enforcement about "some" rules is their inconsistency, and TER has been anything but consistent about enforcing this particular rule.

xyz is absolutely correct in what he says, although I will concede that from your perspective at least, you too are correct in your POV. See how simple this is, about as clear as mud, isn't it.

Ok, now if you want to play in REALLY muddy waters, try explaining the process by which MS TER is selected? Some questions just don't have simple answers, and other questions don't seem to have truly complete answers at all.

Let's just agree that you explained the rules as they are written and xyz gave one explanation about how they are applied.

So the review rules now mandate that everything offered has to be performed in each session in order to be eligible for a higher score? Hypothetical: client A gets a BBBJ and tongue-kissing, but no anal (and obviously no demonstration of bisexuality or willingness to engage with more than one guy since it's a one-on-one date). Does that mean he can only rate his experience at a maximum of 9? Second hypothetical: client B is a bit of a germaphobe. During his date, he specifically requests that no kissing take place and that he receive a CBJ rather than the provider's standard BBBJ. It's the best session of his life and he's perfectly content with the measures he wanted to take to protect his health, but he can only rate her a 7 at maximum?  

I thought TER rules specifically stated that score eligibility is determined by what is OFFERED and not necessarily what transpires during a particular date. I mean, my first reviewer simply asked me about being bi and entered it into my profile accordingly, despite obviously not having witnessed it firsthand (don't report me, NYE! I now have a female-authored review! :)). Did the rules change?  

Posted By: NoYellowEnvelope
... we live and write reviews in the present, so...  
   
 I know this is true because I've earned many VIP days reporting violations of this rule, especially on initial reviews for a provider.  Example:  profile says "kisses with tongue" and performance score of initial review is 8.  But the review doesn't mention kissing at all.  BUZZZZZ!  Review had to be changed to mention kissing with tongue before the 8 was allowed.  
   
 You know as well as I do that humans aren't perfect and thus the review rules aren't perfectly enforced. But I do know whenever I've reported a review that didn't follow the rule you're disputing, my report was upheld.  

-- Modified on 5/24/2016 8:45:16 PM

NoYellowEnvelope298 reads

... there has to be some evidence other than the profile that the provider actually performs the services that count for extra scoring points, before review scores can include the extra points. The usual evidence is reviews.  Once it's established through review(s) or other evidence (e.g. for Greek, there's pricing for that on the provider's web site) that the extra services are actually offered, then reviews can include points for them.  And after that, those extra services don't have to be performed for a reviewer to add extra points.  

As I mentioned above, it wasn't always that way but has been for awhile. I don't know exactly when the change was made.

For instance, I know of some ladies who do duos but do not have a single review of a duo. Is someone going to come along and challenge their "10" max on some reviews because they need "Really bi" to get the max 10 (ie they do not do Greek)? Reviews of MFM are even less common.

NoYellowEnvelope362 reads

As I noted, as long as there's some sort of evidence, which could just be a mention on the provider's web site (e.g. "I love couples!"), then reviewers can add the extra points.  That's been my experience when interacting with Admin on reviews I've reported.  

In my experience, providers who offer MFM almost always offer at least 3 of the other "plus" services, so there wouldn't need to be a MFM review or other evidence for those providers to qualify for the max score.

...that isn't a verifiable service. It is a sexual orientation that is hard to prove or disprove. The other 4 activities listed are either performed or they aren't. "Really bi" can't be. I strongly feel that it should be removed from that "List of 5" because it is not in of itself a sexual activity like the other 4 items are.

Just my $.02.

First, no the system doesn't automatically limit the score if the provider doesn't qualify for a score above 7 in performance. What happens is TER will reject you review because you rated her too high and expect you to fix it and resubmit. Sometimes they fix the score and post the review with the adjusted score they assigned which will be the highest score she does qualify for.

Second, yes more than one guy does count toward being eligible for a score higher than 7.  I pointed this discrepancy in the Review FAQ's out to TER some years ago. They actually did "fix" it but somewhere along the way it was changed back.

Therefore there are 5 extra services the provider can offer in order to qualify for a performance score higher than 7.
1. kiss with tongue
2. bare back blow job
3. be really bi
4. more than one guy
5. anal intercourse

Any three of those on her profile qualify her for a 10. Please note she doesn't have to have actually performed any of those during the session being reviewed. She simply has to offer them (ie. they have to be on her profile as available). What kind of sense that makes eludes me every time I consider it. But I'll leave that discussion for another time.

It's important to point out here that if the review is for a Newbie provider who has no established profile you will be creating her profile by reviewing her. TER will likely want the services you put in her profile to have actually been performed during the session you are reviewing. If you are also a newbie and have not submitted any reviews on other providers your review will receive more scrutiny and may be held until you submit more reviews or she receives a review from an established reviewer

...these "extra services" are no longer a factor in determining a providers qualifying for a higher score.

I say this because the "really bi" thing is so easy to take credit for without really having to prove it.  

There have been several providers that I have contacted who readily admit that they aren't really bi. When I approached TER about changing their 2-girl-action listing from "yes" to either "no" or "not really into it", TER said that as long as any previous reviewers had had a 3some with that provider (who is obviously gay for pay) they would not change it. Total BS. And honestly - not many guys are gonna be truly able to (or even care) determine that a provider is truly bi. But I sure as hell could!

I hope TER changes this rating system in the future and incorporates something a bit fairer with services a little easier to confirm.

Posted By: lopaw
There have been several providers that I have contacted who readily admit that they aren't really bi.
Until TER changes the rules, how about if you and I team up for some Quality Control and Service Verification Services. We pay a visit to a Provider and do a quick check to see if services offered match services provided. You can check the bi part, I can check the anal and bbbj part and we can both check DFK.  

We might have to add a member to the team for checking the claims of "more than one guy". I wonder if anyone would be willing to volunteer?  

I think we can be in and out in 15 minutes and do 5-10 Providers per day and submit our invoices for reimbursement to TER each week.  

Should we begin on your coast or my coast

I've the replies (7) so far and all of the loopholes, unprovables and errors are why some people are suggesting a revamp of the scoring system anyway.

Posted By: thedoctorscompanion
When a reviewer is inputting the max score, is the maximum limited automatically by the system if she has "No" or "Don't know" in the pertinent fields? If a provider has "Yes" at really bi, bbbj, and dfk, I assume the system allows for a 10. What if she has "YMMV" for one of those fields? Does the system/TER still allow for a max of 10?
Maybe just a +1 (great) 0 (good) -1 (bad) system. Or just +1, -1. Well, just look for previous threads on the scoring problems

I know I sound like a broken record, but I still maintain that we should employ the grade school ✔️+, ✔️, ✔️- system. There'd be so much less drama and confusion. Subjectivity and arbitrary enforcement make the 1-10 scale much more convoluted than it needs to be.  

Posted By: impposter
I've the replies (7) so far and all of the loopholes, unprovables and errors are why some people are suggesting a revamp of the scoring system anyway.  
   
Posted By: thedoctorscompanion
When a reviewer is inputting the max score, is the maximum limited automatically by the system if she has "No" or "Don't know" in the pertinent fields? If a provider has "Yes" at really bi, bbbj, and dfk, I assume the system allows for a 10. What if she has "YMMV" for one of those fields? Does the system/TER still allow for a max of 10?
   
 Maybe just a +1 (great) 0 (good) -1 (bad) system. Or just +1, -1. Well, just look for previous threads on the scoring problems.  
   
 

Other than that, I am fine with the 1-10 scoring system. That is just how guys rate girls IRL so TER is just a further extension of that.

Having only 3 categories, or 5 or whatevs, just isn't enough variance, imo.

10 in looks, she would have to be Christie Brinkley 35 years ago.  The most beautiful providers I've ever seen looks wise were exceptional 9's though, which is to say they were far beyond what I could expect or hope for in the real world.

As for performance, I stick to the TER guidelines.  If you know how and who to hobby with, this is not that difficult to attain.  At least for me!  :)

Posted By: thedoctorscompanion
When a reviewer is inputting the max score, is the maximum limited automatically by the system if she has "No" or "Don't know" in the pertinent fields? If a provider has "Yes" at really bi, bbbj, and dfk, I assume the system allows for a 10. What if she has "YMMV" for one of those fields? Does the system/TER still allow for a max of 10?  
   
 Also, does more than one guy count as something that adds to the maximum possible? With the current language (quoted below), it sounds like it does in the first paragraph, then not so much in the second.  
   
 "For performance ratings, it is asked that you please save the 8, 9, and 10 ranks for situations where out of the ordinary services are provided (i.e. Blow Job - without condom, Kissing - with tongue, Anal - Yes, and Really Bi - Yes, More than One Guy - Yes). Of course, the 10 rating should be reserved for an experience that is really worth a million!  
   
 An escort provider is only eligible to earn up to a 7, unless she is willing to perform one or some of the following during a session: Kisses With Tongue, Bare-Back Blow Job, Really Bi, and Anal Sex. For each of these services that are offered, her potential max score is raised by one point, with 10 as an absolute maximum."

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