That sucks, you'd think how they sprout up 3-6 different places in other cities yours would too? :/
Some massage parlors provide full service, so maybe better go there and not to risk being ripped off with independent?
At least you have the ability to read up on the indie from her reviews. You can't do that with an MP.
I meant that when you choose independent escort (with no reviews) it is higher probability to be ripped off (take your money and run away) than going into massage parlor place. Isn't it?
Of course i am not implying that most independent escorts will rip you off.
But I never take anything that I am not willing wager until I know the lady, reviews or no. And if arrested its a fine of $750, and a bit of probation, if they can get a conviction, not a big deal. Beside There are was to screen besides reviews. Lots of ways. But these other methods just don't give you the services offered.
Plus reviews are no guarantee that you will not be arrested or robbed. they just reduce the risk. Some ladies do flip or get desperate. This whole game is full of risk. Besides Your more likely to get busted at a message parlor with extras then with a independent unreviewed lady where I live. Cops bust them all the time.
And I never said it was wise to see a lady with no reviews, but did explain why guys do it. I have TOFTT in the past and my other screening method did keep me safe. Only when I didn't screen at all did I have an issue and got robbed and that was because I was a fool and took extra money.
speaking of which, how can you still be advertising yourself as twenty years old, yet have reviews going back to 2008? Either you are a liar, or you were getting reviews when underage, which is it?
wowie sherlock.
hahaha
ur kidding right?
EVERY profile here is inaccurate in some way, get the fuck over it. and quit blog stalking me. wtf?
three years ago i had a way of verifying myself because i was a dancer at a club where i could have referenced a gent then told him to meet me at the club to verify i was a legit person and not someone risky. then the guy could buy a dance or two, spend time with me then book time off the club's clock then VIOLA! a review.
do u guys really think there is NO way to verify someone before diving in?
or are some of you too lazy to research an indy lady?
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but since you seem to be the self appointed expert on everything that is posted on this board, (every board has one) I feel obligated to call you out when you spout off obvious bullshit. I can't help it if almost every post you make qualifies as obvious bullshit.
and you can't seriously believe that someone would go to all the trouble to meet you at a strip club, just to make an appointment for a fucking handjob.
I use this site for reviews of AMPs... see below.
In Utah being in the MP when a bust happens is grounds for solicitation charges if you are there for any reason, even to fix the toilet. And MP's are sitting ducks and LE does go after them from time to time in my area.
Plus I know exactly How much money to bring, not guessing the tip. There is less of a chance of a pimping situation as well.
Also the risk of being ripped off with an independent is small if you do your homework. And, often they see fewer clients. In some MP the ladies see 6 plus guys a day. Now I don't need to be the first but after a while pussy fatigue has to set in.
While I have been to a MP or two I much prefer independents.
if anyone is getting ripped off at an AMP its the poor girl who is working there.
i can tell u when i was with an agency (not an AMP) i gave 40% to the house. so for every 200/hr i only got 120/hr. BULL SHIT (but it got me my start so i consider it an investment of my training). so say the AMP charges 60 to get in the door and then u tip her (between 100-200) how much do u really think she keeps? hmm? i mean REALLY.
additionally, if u really think an independent provider will rip u off then only u are at fault for not researching the lady. there are THOUSANDS of verifiable independent women in just about every city. why help line the pockets of some pimp/madame/slave-driver? (i always worry these AMP women are borderline indentured-servants where they have to pay their rent, implants, fees for getting into the country all with their tiny salary that has already been cut in half by their "manager". i have seen ladies with AMP groups on the schedule from 9am - 9pm 4 days in a row only to be on the schedule the 5th day in LA or another city different from where they just were... )
so to conclude:
support ur local small business
choose independent
+1!!
When I was in an amp the mamasan took 60% of the $70 door fee, sometimes a dumb Guy would tip up front & she would take that too & not tell me or any other girl .
yes I really did massage my clients not just a 15min back rub plus we had to clean & do laundry or not go home.
Did that 10 to 6 @5 days a week for 7yrs straight. I'm fortunate that I really love my job and my clients or that would of turned me evil.
Kind of OT but,
I really hate when someone says my rates are "too high" as an Indy too.
at AMP's you pay $70-80 + 100 or more tip (I charge roughly the same except you wont hear a peep from me hustling extra from you.
I always go to MPs.You can just walk in and not have to worry about making appointments. I have never had a problem in a MP. That being said, I do tend to frequent the same places. As for reviews, there are plenty of places to find MP reviews.
I always go to MPs.You can just walk in and not have to worry about making appointments. I have never had a problem in a MP. That being said, I do tend to frequent the same places. As for reviews, there are plenty of places to find MP reviews.
I have a few MP's that I go to. Most are FS, some are not. When it comes time for the shower or table shower, you leave your clothes behind. I have never once had anything stolen.
I have no reservations when going to them. It's not even really a thought any more. In well over 200 visits I have never been burned at dozens of places, mostly Korean.
The only two times I have been burned were with independents, in my earlier years in the hobby and with providers with no reviews.
The risk is minimal with smart choices either way.
GENERALLY (note shield from flying stuff) the Indy ladies have a higher quality service! The down side they are harder to find and book because just like any GREAT service they are in more demand!
This is why I like to try and get my buddies on a schedule to see me again so they always get time they want.
Like once a week or month is good.
A lot depends on what is available in your area. I like asians, especially Koreans, and the only place to find one without driving 2 hrs is the local AMP.
That sucks, you'd think how they sprout up 3-6 different places in other cities yours would too? :/
In the 12 years I have been getting massages, I have never been ripped off (donation-wise) by either an indie or a MP. I have had sub-par service from both, and I have had incredible service from both. That being said, I think you have a greater chance of being ripped off by an indie if you don't do your homework. The reason being is that the MP is usually tightly controlled, whereas an indie can do whatever she pleases. So I think there is greater potential for being ripped off by an unreviewed indie.
However, in my own experience, the top three ladies I have ever seen were all indies. In fact, I just returned last night from a wonderful 2 day, 1 night experience at a resort with a one of my ATFs. I am so relaxed today...it's our 4th overnighter together, and we are already planning the next one. It doesn't get much better!
who needs to put up with multiple references and all the other bs.. Amps any day.
Giving 1-2 references isn't bad.
Getting question by LE when you leave the MP is.
I am just trying to say it is easier for a first timer to go threw a amp/mp. If you are lucky enough to know a good indi or a former amp/mp provider by all means go with that I would.
the problem is if u use AMPs u get stuck in that groove with no way to supply reference info should u feel like upgrading.
I think the OP was talking more about who was more likely not to give you the service you were expecting.
Honestly I think it is more likely to be an indie, and in fact it has happened to me. I had an instance where the masseuse told me to 'take care of myself' while she massaged the other parts of my body; and another time I had a masseuse who told me 'she didn't do that'. Both of these ladies had offered "happy endings" in their ads, which was deceptive to say the least. This would never happen at an AMP; and if it did you could go to the Mama-san and she would rectify the situation.
Neither of these masseuses were reviewed - I found them on the back pages of the local alternative weekly paper. But once you get out of the major urban areas it can be very difficult to find indies, and even more difficult to find indies that have reviews.
Now, don't get me wrong: I LOVE indies! I just took an overnight trip last week with one! We had an INCREDIBLE time together! And believe me, the next time I go to San Diego I will be making prior arrangements with Milatequila.
But addressing the OP's question directly, I would say it is riskier to get the service you expect from an Indie you don't know than it would be from an AMP you have never been to.
but in your experience the two ladies were on the back of newspaper (red flag one) and were not reviewed (red flag two). i would personally have been shocked if u got what u expected with those two blips. 
so of course that would be better than an AMP (but even then id the mama-san didn't like the way u look u may still get nothing even after u pay, like what are u gonna do call the popo and say i didn't get the happy ending i payed for? no. not likely in any situation...)
but, i can see why its easier than seeing an indy without refs.
of course some indy girls are newbie friendly (as i slowly raise my hand....).
Your absolutely right that I was taking a chance by going thru the back page of an alternative paper. But I was in areas where there were no reviewed indies on TER. It didn't pan out as I hoped it would. There was a time in the not too distant past when checking out the newspapers & phone books was one of the few options that existed for finding anyone. And I did find some gems that way. But it was definitely hit or miss, and toftt was a just part of the game.
Then I found this site a little over six years ago, and it changed my world!
I still would rather take a chance on an Indie then visit an AMP any day of the week, but in some cases it's just not possible.
so of course that would be better than an AMP (but even then id the mama-san didn't like the way u look u may still get nothing even after u pay, like what are u gonna do call the popo and say i didn't get the happy ending i payed for? no. not likely in any situation...)but, i can see why its easier than seeing an indy without refs.
of course some indy girls are newbie friendly (as i slowly raise my hand....).
and took my chances. Now, I'm more comfortable seeing independents. With the internet and TER, I have more research tools than ever before, and that makes my choices/decisions a lot easier.
When I got started in the hobby 14 years ago back in college, my only option at the time was a massage parlor. Granted, I had lots of fun times there and only had a bad experience once (and bad isn't really accurate; mediocre is probably a better word).
Once I moved states and as the internet developed, it was easier for me to find and do research on independents miles ahead of some of the info about MPs.
I think they have their place, but I prefer independents because of the ability to know exactly what the price point is instead of having to guess about what the tip is and being worried about whether or not I'm getting "overcharged." I can look on here or on an independent provider's page and see what exactly I should be budgeting.
It removes at least part of the YMMV experience for me; I'd rather limit the unknowns going into a session than truly take the chance of not knowing what I might be getting.