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She may have gotten spooked by something said and
Zsa_Zsa_TaTas 639 reads
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was afraid that you are/could be L E.  Since your from the UK, maybe, let me say L E means la w enforc ement.

If I get scared and think L E is contacting me, I certainly don't want to tip them off.   Sometimes even after screening and an appt is set, something gets said or a demeanor changes and I get spooked.  

If I feel like a dangerous individual is contacting me, I don't want to let him know that either.  

Either way, this is a livelihood for us and a hobby for you.  We have a lot of safety considerations that a hobbyist doesn't have.

UkSlave1939 reads

Is it legitimate to post a review of being stood up by a provider? The Guidelines for submitting reviews states "We will not post any review that slams or denigrates a provider", and no show isn't going to be a positive review. However it does serve the legitimate  purpose of informing clients as to the reliability of the provider.

you can post it on you local board, however, personally, I wouldn't - it can have negative consequences for you - what if she post something negative about you or puts you on a don't see list.  Why slam a girl for not showing up.  Can you imagine what these boards would look like if the girls posted every time a guy didn't show?

I don't know what area you are in, but, IMHO, the best course of action is to just take your money and move on to the next girl.  There are WAY too many quality providers out there that will show up on time and show you the time-of-your-life to be wasting any time or effort on girls that stand you up.

Good luck & have fun!!!

UkSlave660 reads

That's the official rule is it? Thanks for the quick reply! :) I'm puzzled about what she could post about me since she never met me?

these girls do for a living.  If she consistently no-shows, she wont be around very long anyway.

Point is, when you post something negative about a girl, you are fucking with their livelihood in a lot of cases.

There are blacklists or don't see lists out there that the girls use to screen clients.  Also, if you are a TER member, as part of the screening process, some girls will look at your TER posts.

Bottom line is she could simply get pissed and make something up and put you on a blacklist and you'd never know it, other than you might find it pretty hard to set-up any new dates.

UkSlave689 reads

Thank you for the advice, but:

"Point is, when you post something negative about a girl, you are fucking with their livelihood in a lot of cases."

When you say that, I hear: "You can't tell people the baker uses rat poison instead of flour, it might harm his livelihood!" If telling people about someone's business practices harms their business, well that's fair enough.

"There are blacklists or don't see lists out there that the girls use to screen clients.  Also, if you are a TER member, as part of the screening process, some girls will look at your TER posts. Bottom line is she could simply get pissed and make something up and put you on a blacklist and you'd never know it, other than you might find it pretty hard to set-up any new dates."

And when you say this I hear: "you should people intimidate you into keeping silent, otherwise they might do bad things to you." Which is certainly practical advice, but somehow doesn't appeal to me.

Thank you all the same for your help and advice. :)

Posted By: UkSlave

When you say that, I hear: "You can't tell people the baker uses rat poison instead of flour, it might harm his livelihood!" If telling people about someone's business practices harms their business, well that's fair enough.
Um, no. A provider not showing to help you get your jollies off is NOT in any way shape or form the same as someone doing something legitimately dangerous or detrimental to other people. She has a life too, and stuff happens. Maybe she had an emergency, something happened to her, she heard something about you, you never know. Take her as being unprofessional at the most, and be glad you got to keep your money for another day.
Posted By: UkSlave
"There are blacklists or don't see lists out there that the girls use to screen clients.  Also, if you are a TER member, as part of the screening process, some girls will look at your TER posts. Bottom line is she could simply get pissed and make something up and put you on a blacklist and you'd never know it, other than you might find it pretty hard to set-up any new dates."

And when you say this I hear: "you should people intimidate you into keeping silent, otherwise they might do bad things to you." Which is certainly practical advice, but somehow doesn't appeal to me.

Thank you all the same for your help and advice. :)
No, the point is that she may have found out you were an unsavory client (I would not be shocked) and decided not to bother with you, or that you being a total jerk could result in her giving it right back to you. This isn't a "you should be intimidated" thing, it's a "remember when you were in third grade and realized that your actions really do have consequences?" thing.

Would you find it an overreaction for a provider to put you on the black list, or tell fellow providers not to see you simply because you no-showed once? Would you think she was being unreasonable for putting a damper on your "business" over something like this? My guess would be yes.

And as a side note, look at the kind of provider you're visiting. It's much more likely for this kind of situation to come up when you're 10th in line at motel 6 vs. the only for the day at her high end in call. Being realistic makes the hobby much more fun, I promise.

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Posted By: OhCharlie
Um, no. A provider not showing to help you get your jollies off is NOT in any way shape or form the same as someone doing something legitimately dangerous or detrimental to other people. She has a life too, and stuff happens. Maybe she had an emergency, something happened to her, she heard something about you, you never know. Take her as being unprofessional at the most, and be glad you got to keep your money for another day.
Yes that's all true, but I don't see any of it as being a justification for leaving me hanging for 30 minutes while I tried to contact her, before I gave up on waiting, and then not even sending an email saying sorry. I spent time and a fair amount of money travelling a long way, so I did come away with a net loss.
Posted By: OhCharlie
No, the point is that she may have found out you were an unsavory client (I would not be shocked)
The only things you know about me are that I'm circumspect enough to try to find out the proper protocol before acting , that I think people should honour their commitments whenever they can and tell the other party when they can't and failing that at least offer an explanation, and that I think you should tell the truth without fearing what other people may think about it. Based on this evidence, you've decided to cast aspersions on my character? Well you're entitled to your opinion but I really don't think you have sufficient grounds for your conclusion.
Posted By: OhCharlie
and decided not to bother with you,
Not wanting to session with me would have been fine, if she'd sent a text message or otherwise cancelled. I've been cancelled on before, I understand that.
Posted By: OhCharlie
or that you being a total jerk could result in her giving it right back to you.
Could you explain to me how providing an accurate and factual account qualifies as being a total jerk?
Posted By: OhCharlie
Would you find it an overreaction for a provider to put you on the black list, or tell fellow providers not to see you simply because you no-showed once? Would you think she was being unreasonable for putting a damper on your "business" over something like this? My guess would be yes.
If you make an appointment with a pro-domme and don't show, what that means is you've wasted her time, more time than you paid for, since she needs to get to the dungeon, get everything ready then prepare herself, cost her the money she would have made from a paying client in that time slot, probably cost her dungeon rental (a lot of dommes don't own their own dungeons) which isn't the same as not getting money, she's actually losing money on no-shows, cost her travel money (petrol/gas isn't free nor is bus or trainfare), and then to top it all off you don't call or text or email to say your cancelling or offer an apology afterwards? Of course I expect her to blacklist you, why shouldn't she?
Any pro-dommes want to tell me I'm full of shit here?
Posted By: OhCharlie
And as a side note, look at the kind of provider you're visiting. It's much more likely for this kind of situation to come up when you're 10th in line at motel 6 vs. the only for the day at her high end in call. Being realistic makes the hobby much more fun, I promise.
Ok, I'm very new at this, how does $350 (£220) an hour rate? I know it's not the true high end, but it doesn't seem to be the bottom of the barrel either. The $190 (£120) provider who did cancel on me, sent me a polite text message, which was very  considerate of her and saved me time and money.

It's just real simple - when a girl no-shows (yea it happens to everybody) I probably don't know the reason why and I probably don't give a fuck either.   If it's someone I REALLY want to see, I'd probably take another shot at setting something up.  If not, I just move on.   There are WAY too many great providers out there to be wasting my time putting negative stuff out there on someone I don't know over a no-show.  If one girl canx or no-shows, just call up another one - not hard at all.

I've never had an encounter that was a total rip off, cash and dash, or anything like that, but if I did, then that's information that I would put out there to warn others about.

I'm just saying - what is the point of posting about a no-show?  Is it going to do anything positive for you?  Is it going to do anything positive for her?  Bottom line - if she has a problem showing up she just wont be around for very long.

Do whatever you think you should do.  My point is that I don't think it's a great idea (obviously).

crazyshit626 reads

You just have to find out the details.  If you feel it's unreasonable and she never gets back to you, then fine, you can post it on the boards.

But calling everyone else out as a sort of "pussy" if they don't share your views is crazy.

Do what you want.  Just don't tell us how to do things on our end.

Not saying you are doing that, but some guy is inevitably gonna come on this thread and call us WKs or manginas for not saying something.  And that's just plain and utter bullshit.

crazyshit596 reads

In my time hobbying, there have been plenty of non-memorable sessions where it's "one and done."  I tried it, it wasn't a great fit, and I won't make the same choice again.  Do I feel a need to write a bad review?  No, not at all.  It wasn't great, and that's fine.  She didn't misrepresent herself, but we didn't click.

If someone decides to threaten you or fuck with you, that's a different story.  And in that case, I would make it public.

But in general, I don't feel a need to post something for everyone to see.

I paid for the session, I paid for my VIP membership here, so unless someone wants to subsidize my shitty experience, I don't owe it to anyone to disclose anything.

Zsa_Zsa_TaTas640 reads

was afraid that you are/could be L E.  Since your from the UK, maybe, let me say L E means la w enforc ement.

If I get scared and think L E is contacting me, I certainly don't want to tip them off.   Sometimes even after screening and an appt is set, something gets said or a demeanor changes and I get spooked.  

If I feel like a dangerous individual is contacting me, I don't want to let him know that either.  

Either way, this is a livelihood for us and a hobby for you.  We have a lot of safety considerations that a hobbyist doesn't have.

Those are two different things. If you can't at least call or text to say you're not going to make it, why would the next girl take a chance on you doing the same thing?

UkSlave734 reads

Posted By: London Rayne
Those are two different things. If you can't at least call or text to say you're not going to make it, why would the next girl take a chance on you doing the same thing?
I recognise you're not a prodomme, but as a service provider, could I ask your opinion on what you think is reasonable? My attitude is if you make an appointment with a pro-domme and don't show, what that means is you've wasted her time, more time than you paid for, since she needs to get to the dungeon, get everything ready then prepare herself, cost her the money she would have made from a paying client in that time slot, probably cost her dungeon rental (a lot of dommes don't own their own dungeons) which isn't the same as not getting money, she's actually losing money on no-shows, cost her travel money (petrol/gas isn't free nor is bus or trainfare), and then to top it all off you don't call or text or email to say your cancelling or offer an apology afterwards? Of course I expect her to blacklist you, why shouldn't she?

Would it therefore be reasonable to apply the same standards to providers?

TER may not allow a NCNS review, BUT other boards do or at the very least allow you to post about it in her local area. For instance, if a girl places an ad and 3 guys comment saying, "Are you going to show up this time," I think it gets the point across that she is a flake. There are other ways to hold somone accountable for their actions than just posting a review. Your OP said, "How can SHE post something about me if she's never seen me," so I assumed YOU were the one who pulled a NS...now you're saying differently?  Are you a provider or hobbyist? Sorry, but your posts are a bit hard to follow.

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