This is for the girls, especially the new girls who have just started the business:
First off, most guys, the executive type, are not an active members of the board like this, they may lurk to find info and that's all about it. So if they are posting everyday, day and night, we know exactly who they are and where they are coming from. thanks God, these guys are the minority. Most of our good clients are too busy to participate in this board, so don't be afraid to charge extra money for specialty or special service that require more effort in doing so. Remember this is a service orientated business after all. Of course, all the guys above, want to get the most out of our service, and paying the least amount of money. The question is: are we willing to do that? If the answer is yes, then go ahead. But if we want to maintain our quality of service, i think it's very normal thing to do that we reserve our specialty service, including our cum to those who are willing to pay extra for that. 5 years ago, i did not have vip rate and i regretted it. There were so many days, I could have made more money by charging vip rate, but instead I charged them, the same rate. It's not fair for me and for my clients The service varied, from those who only wanted to have a blow job, to those who needed full companionship to those who wanted to have a fetish session. And i charged them, the same rate.Silly me. I should have charged extra money for those who wanted a fetish session for instance. So stick with our principals and we will be fine. and btw, i believe i never see any of those above who disagree with the vip rate, and trust me...if we are good at what we do, we still have more than enough clients for ourselves. Good respectful clients never hesitate to pay the premium price.
They don't like to bargain. Instead, they are willing to pay the top VIP rate if they can ensure to get what they want in the session. So instead of lowering our rate, why not maintaining our service and keep our top notch quality. Last but definitely not the least, 95% of my clients pay the vip rate.
It even stated on my reviews
My honest and blunt question as usual!
Tia Phoenixx Seeing is believing
Some girls offer a basic rate and a vip rate. Like, $300 Incall, $500 VIP Incall.
I don't know about you guys, but I skip right over those ads. I know enough providers who give great, all-inclusive service for one flat rate. I consider "VIP pricing" a rip-off waiting to happen.
Thoughts?
Not everyone seems to realize that when a customer pays for the 'non-VIP' service, any special request he makes is going to meet with the response, "Oh, yes I love that, but it's included for the VIP rate." That's why most VIP providers leave out what is specifically included in the higher 'VIP rate'.
It's a good idea to simply skip these providers.
Yep. they're already setting the stage for upselling. I guess there are a bunch of very unsavvy customers who just don't care about money or quality out there...
Some girls post prices too see what they can get, cause theres people who will happily drop it. All the girls who post on Eros, and Backpage seem to have variable prices. But the ones just on Eros tend to Upcharge a bit.
I never pay a VIP rate. Some of the classier women who have tiered rates have been pretty gfe with me as I always am very polite to them and act like a gentleman with them. But I am still apprehensive about the tiered rates. Also, I too have noticed that many women who advertise on both Backpage and Eros charge lower rates if you mention their BP ad.
I also skip right over those ads. Too much game playing. I like to know the price is the price and refuse to haggle.
The VIP vs non VIP topic has been discussed before. I used to think going for the "recommended" VIP service would translate into a hotter date, but every time I shelled out the extra coin, I never found that to be the case. I avoid ladies who advertise a VIP rate now as a result.
As far as price goes, I know that some gents here favor $100 dates, whereas the GFE dates I go for are more in the $$$ range. I've wondered what exactly you get for those single Benjamin Franklin encounters? In my experience, $$$ plus tip should get you decent bordering on great 7-8/9 performance wise GFE date, GG or TS. I'll admit though, between retirements, SRS, etc, there are fewer ladies providing a hot TS GFE experience then there used to be.
This is for the girls, especially the new girls who have just started the business:
First off, most guys, the executive type, are not an active members of the board like this, they may lurk to find info and that's all about it.
So if they are posting everyday, day and night, we know exactly who they are and where they are coming from.
thanks God, these guys are the minority. Most of our good clients are too busy to participate in this board, so don't be afraid to charge extra money for specialty or special service that require more effort in doing so.
Remember this is a service orientated business after all.
Of course, all the guys above, want to get the most out of our service, and paying the least amount of money. The question is: are we willing to do that?
If the answer is yes, then go ahead.
But if we want to maintain our quality of service, i think it's very normal thing to do that we reserve our specialty service, including our cum to those who are willing to pay extra for that.
5 years ago, i did not have vip rate and i regretted it. There were so many days, I could have made more money by charging vip rate, but instead I charged them, the same rate.
It's not fair for me and for my clients
The service varied, from those who only wanted to have a blow job, to those who needed full companionship to those who wanted to have a fetish session. And i charged them, the same rate.
Silly me. I should have charged extra money for those who wanted a fetish session for instance.
So stick with our principals and we will be fine. and btw, i believe i never see any of those above who disagree with the vip rate, and trust me...if we are good at what we do, we still have more than enough clients for ourselves.
Good respectful clients never hesitate to pay the premium price.
They don't like to bargain. Instead, they are willing to pay the top VIP rate if they can ensure to get what they want in the session.
So instead of lowering our rate, why not maintaining our service and keep our top notch quality.
Last but definitely not the least, 95% of my clients pay the vip rate.
It even stated on my reviews
My honest and blunt question as usual!
Tia Phoenixx
Seeing is believing
Tia,
I think there are some truths to your comments above but also some inaccurate generalizations. Every person who participates here is not a cheap-o or not an executive and some blue collar type or lower level job holder.
There are two sides to every coin. VIP or not, if the provider provides a rockin session every time, that session has a value. $300, $400, $500 or whatever. Why even have a VIP rate? Offering less because the client does not have the full rate? If there are enough "executives" out there, pass on the cheap-o client and take the next executive VIP that calls.
Over and out.....
Dog
I think there are some truths to your comments above but also some inaccurate generalizations. Every person who participates here is not a cheap-o or not an executive and some blue collar type or lower level job holder.
There are two sides to every coin. VIP or not, if the provider provides a rockin session every time, that session has a value. $300, $400, $500 or whatever. Why even have a VIP rate? Offering less because the client does not have the full rate? If there are enough "executives" out there, pass on the cheap-o client and take the next executive VIP that calls.
Over and out.....
Dog
I personally think that escorting service will be seen as more and more service oriented profession in the menu, and more and more girls will post more specific details of what they are offering on their website or when they talk to their prospective clients.
If a client is a first timer and only want to have, let say, oral sex, then he should be charge for less, thus the standard price applies.
Those who want to have the "full menu", will pay the vip or all inclusive price.
My clients or those who have read my website know that, therefore most of them pay the vip rate because most of them want the full menu.
That's why if you read the title: my response is mostly for girls who are new to business.
I don't want them to be "forced" to lower their rate and being asked to cum twice for instanc
Got ya, makes sense. I often do not want the full menu and have actually been offered a lower rate by some providers without even asking, so definitely get that....
Yes, i'm here to help the girls, not to be "exploited" by bad, greedy clients who demand lots of service, but only are willing to pay the least money. These clients exist daily! And their main target is new girl in the business.
It's not fair for us you know.
We have to stand with our principal and we need to be able to say: "no, you have to pay more for that service."
cheers
Tia Phoenix
Yes Happy Ending :
I think there are some truths to your comments above but also some inaccurate generalizations. Every person who participates here is not a cheap-o or not an executive and some blue collar type or lower level job holder.
There are two sides to every coin. VIP or not, if the provider provides a rockin session every time, that session has a value. $300, $400, $500 or whatever. Why even have a VIP rate? Offering less because the client does not have the full rate? If there are enough "executives" out there, pass on the cheap-o client and take the next executive VIP that calls.
Over and out.....
Dog
true, of course there is some exception.
I personally think that escorting service will be seen as more and more service oriented profession in the menu, and more and more girls will post more specific details of what they are offering on their website or when they talk to their prospective clients.
If a client is a first timer and only want to have, let say, oral sex, then he should be charge for less, thus the standard price applies.
Those who want to have the "full menu", will pay the vip or all inclusive price.
My clients or those who have read my website know that, therefore most of them pay the vip rate because most of them want the full menu.
That's why if you read the title: my response is mostly for girls who are new to business.
I don't want them to be "forced" to lower their rate and being asked to cum twice for instance
1. Not all providers are as good as you Tia. Many providers DO use "VIP" service as an excuse to get more money for the same service. Scamming and upselling are unfortunate parts of this business that are fueled by the ambiguity of pricing. I've paid the VIP price and been let down. I've paid non VIP and had great sessions. Although I don't like to haggle, I have paid extra for additional service or performance above standard. I don't think it's unreasonable at all to discuss what you want and agree on a price. It's done in business every day. As a hobbyist, I prefer a flat rate with the option for add ons...I just think it's more honest.
2. New or inexperienced hobbyists. I think it's reasonable to assume people who don't do this much would find navigating the price "levels" very confusing. The fact that there are so many threads about it on this forum supports this theory. (Even us experienced folks are confused by it!) I'm sure many of those inexperienced folks have paid well more than they should have for their sessions. Not really fair to the new hobbyists who might be too nervous or inexperienced to get what they want for the price it is worth.
Obviously providers are free to run their ads however they see fit, and us hobbyists are free not to see them if we don't like it!
I think there are some truths to your comments above but also some inaccurate generalizations. Every person who participates here is not a cheap-o or not an executive and some blue collar type or lower level job holder.
There are two sides to every coin. VIP or not, if the provider provides a rockin session every time, that session has a value. $300, $400, $500 or whatever. Why even have a VIP rate? Offering less because the client does not have the full rate? If there are enough "executives" out there, pass on the cheap-o client and take the next executive VIP that calls.
Over and out.....
Dog
true, of course there is some exception.
I personally think that escorting service will be seen as more and more service oriented profession in the menu, and more and more girls will post more specific details of what they are offering on their website or when they talk to their prospective clients.
If a client is a first timer and only want to have, let say, oral sex, then he should be charge for less, thus the standard price applies.
Those who want to have the "full menu", will pay the vip or all inclusive price.
My clients or those who have read my website know that, therefore most of them pay the vip rate because most of them want the full menu.
That's why if you read the title: my response is mostly for girls who are new to business.
I don't want them to be "forced" to lower their rate and being asked to cum twice for instance
Good post, and I agree that good providers should be well paid for their services. However, I feel you've missed 2 key points to the VIP debate that are important:
1. Not all providers are as good as you Tia. Many providers DO use "VIP" service as an excuse to get more money for the same service. Scamming and upselling are unfortunate parts of this business that are fueled by the ambiguity of pricing. I've paid the VIP price and been let down. I've paid non VIP and had great sessions. Although I don't like to haggle, I have paid extra for additional service or performance above standard. I don't think it's unreasonable at all to discuss what you want and agree on a price. It's done in business every day. As a hobbyist, I prefer a flat rate with the option for add ons...I just think it's more honest.
2. New or inexperienced hobbyists. I think it's reasonable to assume people who don't do this much would find navigating the price "levels" very confusing. The fact that there are so many threads about it on this forum supports this theory. (Even us experienced folks are confused by it!) I'm sure many of those inexperienced folks have paid well more than they should have for their sessions. Not really fair to the new hobbyists who might be too nervous or inexperienced to get what they want for the price it is worth.
Obviously providers are free to run their ads however they see fit, and us hobbyists are free not to see them if we don't like it!
True. I guess we both have our opinion from different prospective: me, as a provider and you as a hobbyist.
I made also a wrong generalization about a client who don't want to pay extra as "cheap", obviously it is not the case for some of you.
However, you made also a wrong conclusion by stating: "I don't want to see a girl who has a vip rate", since obviously not all of us are trying to "up sell".
For me, my vip rate is about what kind of service I will deliver to my clients. that's all.
And I'm sure some girls, the good ones, will have the same opinion with me.
Therefore: the key of a successful rendezvous is: "communication" and good research.
I have already explained in the past.
Instead of assuming, what is really a VIP rate of a particular girl, why don't you guys ASK directly to her.
Ask her, I want to do this..and this..and this. Is it a vip or standard?
If she says it's a vip rate. Then ask her, can you guarantee that you will deliver that? how about if not?
If she cannot deliver what she promises, i think you guys should be reimbursed or partly reimbursed.
To run this business is actually very simple, if we know how to communicate and how to represent ourselves correctly.
cheers
Tia Phoenixx
Agreed. Communication is paramount. I guess "VIP" has become a red flag for me which it really shouldn't be. These are muddy waters to navigate sometimes! I have seen, and in all likeliness, would see girls with VIP rates again. The difference is that those girls will need to have the reviews to back them up! It is an easy thing to write VIP, but not so easy to deliever it!
I am a very good client - in good shape, polite, and do my best to make certain the provider enjoys the session as well. I have had some very nice sessions with several high quality providers. I don't think $300 is cheap for a GFE session.
well said!
First off, most guys, the executive type, are not an active members of the board like this, they may lurk to find info and that's all about it.
So if they are posting everyday, day and night, we know exactly who they are and where they are coming from.
thanks God, these guys are the minority. Most of our good clients are too busy to participate in this board, so don't be afraid to charge extra money for specialty or special service that require more effort in doing so.
Remember this is a service orientated business after all.
Of course, all the guys above, want to get the most out of our service, and paying the least amount of money. The question is: are we willing to do that?
If the answer is yes, then go ahead.
But if we want to maintain our quality of service, i think it's very normal thing to do that we reserve our specialty service, including our cum to those who are willing to pay extra for that.
5 years ago, i did not have vip rate and i regretted it. There were so many days, I could have made more money by charging vip rate, but instead I charged them, the same rate.
It's not fair for me and for my clients
The service varied, from those who only wanted to have a blow job, to those who needed full companionship to those who wanted to have a fetish session. And i charged them, the same rate.
Silly me. I should have charged extra money for those who wanted a fetish session for instance.
So stick with our principals and we will be fine. and btw, i believe i never see any of those above who disagree with the vip rate, and trust me...if we are good at what we do, we still have more than enough clients for ourselves.
Good respectful clients never hesitate to pay the premium price.
They don't like to bargain. Instead, they are willing to pay the top VIP rate if they can ensure to get what they want in the session.
So instead of lowering our rate, why not maintaining our service and keep our top notch quality.
Last but definitely not the least, 95% of my clients pay the vip rate.
It even stated on my reviews
My honest and blunt question as usual!
Tia Phoenixx
Seeing is believing
Happy Ending with plenty left to get some weed. I'll fuck her in coach on her couch.