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Possible LE defense. Will this work?
impposter 49 Reviews 2717 reads
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"How to know if it's LE?" has been asked too many times and we know it's not possible (other than to only use trusted TER reviews). Even the famous "LE check" used by places like NY's Julie's / Jerry's is no guarantee that the guy being "checked" is not LE.

It has been reported here that if you do unknowingly make an appt with an undercover cop you are busted as soon as you enter the room. There is no need for an envelope to appear, for a zipper to be unzipped, for a word to be spoken or for anything to happen at all.

Is the following too stupid to work? I can see it maybe at motels, private homes or more rural places. I'm not sure about inner city high rise 3-5 star hotels. Although, plenty of hotel guests will bring in take-out, I'm not sure how many call for delivery to a 3-5 star hotel.

Idea: Bring a hot take-out pizza, maybe even in a pizza thermal bag. Tape a receipt or hand written memo with a DIFFERENT room number and name on it and maybe other stuff to play the part (pizza place logo hat). Ring the bell, enter, get slammed to floor by 6 cops, and, while one of them is stepping on your head, plead "I've got no money. Five bucks, that's all. You're my first delivery. Please ..."

As they let you up and you dust yourself off and readjust your face, show them the pizza and the delivery address ("You're cops? I had a delivery to 119. This is 119. Oops. That's a 7. It looks like a 9. I came to the wrong room. Sorry. I hope I didn't blow your stake out. I won't tell anyone. I promise.") Walk towards 117 and ad lib the end of the scene yourself.

(Or maybe, in a really large city with multiple Marriots, multiple Holiday Inns, etc.. "Room 1234, Marriot East. Oh crap, this is the Marriot West!")

Of course, if all is OK and everything is as you hoped (no LE), enjoy the pizza with your hostess!

Substitute any other credible delivery for the pizza. Examples: An 11 PM delivery of lingerie from Victoria's Secret is NOT a credible substitute. Chinese food IS a credible substitute.

WILL THAT WORK?

DGL171248 reads

Cute but I think you'll end up enjoying said pizza pie with holding cell mates.

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unofsky1357 reads

There's one major problem with this ruse (although somebody else probably beat me to the punch before my response was verified):

LE will want to verify that you're an employee with the pizza place. The only way to get around that (if LE were to verify) is if you had a friend working for the pizza place who was willing to say that you worked there and input the "delivery record" into the computer system.

However, that would be perjury and fraud and would get both you and your friend in very hot water. Getting fired from the job would be the least of your friend's worries.

A pizza delivery guy is bound to have other pizzas with him. Just one pizza sounds pretty unusual.

AND LAST, LE probably has it on record that the "provider" never called you for a pizza but that you called the "provider" to arrange an hour plus meet-up and there was never mention of a pie (er a pizza pie).

It would look very suspicious no matter how much your strategy was tweaked.

-- Modified on 7/21/2010 12:23:56 AM

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Little Phil848 reads

Let's suppose that she's really an escort.  Since you can't warn her of the plan, I doubt she'd answer the door.  So now you're stuck with a pizza in one hand and your "sausage" in the other.  I'd rather spend my time inside the door, and grab a pizza later.

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impposter672 reads

There may be a few problems to work out, but this part: "AND LAST, LE probably has it on record that the "provider" never called you for a pizza" doesn't apply because that's required. It was the people in the OTHER room that called for pizza, not the provider. ("Oops. I came to the wrong room. Sorry.") When the people in the other room deny ordering a pizza, I guess I was just the hapless victim of a sophomoric prank ("Do you have Old Grandad in a bottle? Let him out!"). Officer, you should be out arresting those rotten kids who are ruining my business!

If the ruse is convincing enough (print off some blank "Joe's Pizza" receipts from your computer; put a magnetic or removable cling "Joe's Pizza" sign on your car doors), they might just kick you out without checking who you work for ("Who do I work for?? I'M JOE!") so they can get back to waiting for the real guy to show up. (Name on ID isn't Joe? No problem: many businesses are named for convenience, a relative or even legal purposes, not after the actual owner - operator.)

I don't have any more pizzas because this was my last or only delivery.  I was lying when I said it was my first delivery because I thought I was being mugged, not arrested.

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unofsky1141 reads

They're going to want to verify your employment.

If it's LE posing as a provider, they're going to find it suspect that the same time a hobbyist was supposed to show up, a pizza delivery guy did. From what I've researched so far, most providers use the 2 call system so you showing up only seconds after the second call will lead the person(s) in the room to think that you're the appointment whether you're disguised as a pizza delivery guy, door-to-door magazine salesman, Hare Krishna or a Jehovah Witness.

I started a thread on here about a technique to reveal LE from a sting (a "reflex test" when the door first opens) and it's not very popular on here, apparently. No one has denied that it would WORK in unmasking LE if LE was posing as an escort, but I think the major flaw is that it's now public and will be added to everyone's "oldest trick in the book", including legit providers.

That's the first rule I've learned about ruse ideas: mention the ruse idea and it will surely lose ingenuity.

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Tessen2179 reads

Explain to me why a provider (wearing nothing but her underwear) would open her door for a pizza she did not order? Or are you going to shout through the closed door, "I'm really here to have sex with you!"

Better idea: dress up like house keeping. Knock on the door, "Housekeeping. Want me fluff your pillow?" Works every time. Even better because you always have extra towels with you!

-tessen

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impposter1051 reads

I just thought of one more advantage to the pizza delivery ruse. If the cops don't go for it and do start to arrest you, you can bribe them with the pizza.

This is known as "Cheese it, the cops."

[Rim Shot]

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CoraPearl592 reads

OK, that just seriously cracked me up. Props to you. There's been lots of criticism of your little plan but I think another advantage would be that before you go to jail you wont' be hungry--cram a few slices of pizza in your mouth on the ride to the precinct.

Alternatively, if it turns out not to be LE but the provider is like why did you bring a pizza? I'm on a diet! You can just cut a hole in the box and kindly let her know that you have brought her a gift:  your dick in a box;)

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hiddenhills696 reads

this plan will not work. What's going on, 2 ridiculous plans in 4 posts. Guys, go see a well reviewed provider, and all this is unnecessary.

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MortimerBrewster903 reads

Ok. Now I think you are one poster pulling our legs.

Anyway, the tiny weak point in this plan is when LE calls Pappa Johns to confirm your employment.

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hound_dog692299 reads

I always clear my phone of potentially incriminating texts and call lists. However, all they need to do is just call back to your number and when it rings you're busted!

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Bostonguy57578 reads

If you put as much time in to researching good providers as you do in to writing entertaining fiction you will never have to worry about LE.  As far as your idea, If I was the provider I would never even open the door for you.

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digdirkler550 reads

NO- she'll invite you in and wait for you to drop the pizza guy schtick, then bang

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