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Posted 1/29/2012 at 10:07:07 AM

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Why would anyone pay 130.00  dollars in TJ for girls. Just stay home and use any service near you. I was in TJ for a week in January and stayed at a great hotel T. and just down the block is a massage place. Got a great massage and more from a beautiful young girl named Angel.    All under a 100 dollars. It also is very safe place as Tijuana now is                                              

 

Posted 1/29/2012 at 12:40:28 PM

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I think because the service is superior.  The US providers pretty much help the Tijuana escorts popular.  There "Cash and dash"  and "one and done" is a couple of the reasons I hear.  Most of our clients use to use US escorts.  

 

Posted 1/30/2012 at 5:53:50 AM

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I really don't get your post? First you say don't go stay home? Are you being sarcastic? Then you go to say what a great time you had at a massage parlor in TJ.

I have been to Mexico TJ it is safe I would go again.I travel around to hobby mostly in the PI and the state's
bonitachika hit the nail on the head with his reply.But the sad thing is I live in the northern part of America and can't make it down to TJ as much as I would like to.If you just want 1hr in the state's for a good GFE your going to pay 300 to 400 for a good escort other then that you get shit service for 150 in the state's.No GFE. If you want to pay 150 for one and done.Mite as well go to TJ for a SG for $30 or $40 or a BG for $60 to $80.But if you want a great GFE for 1hr you can get that for $130 to $150 in TJ. Witch is half the price for great GFE in the State's.The good thing about TJ is you know what your getting up front.If a SG or BG there is no bait and switch.If you use a escort site TJ has a few good ones just read the reviews here.Most lady's from the escort site look better in person then there photo's on site.Well I can go on and on about TJ. If you never been go.But I will never stop going to the PI love my LBFM there.

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Why would anyone pay 130.00  dollars in TJ for girls. Just stay home and use any service near you. I was in TJ for a week in January and stayed at a great hotel T. and just down the block is a massage place. Got a great massage and more from a beautiful young girl named Angel.    All under a 100 dollars. It also is very safe place as Tijuana now is                                              


 

Posted 1/30/2012 at 1:49:34 PM

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I agree with you. I also do most of my hobbying in Dominican Republic and soon to be Colombia.  But TJ is safe. I went with a buddy who speaks spanish (I speak a little) and who had been there a lot.  I was a little nervous the first time but that disappeared when I walked in AB. I love latin women, so TJ is a quick cheap fix since I live in SD. I always have a good time there.  I would estimate I drop about $150 a trip which includes a chica out of AB, drinks for myself, my buddies, chicas and street tacos. Pretty much what I would spend going out in a club in SD. Actually less...

Don't believe the Hype about TJ being dangerous. Park for 10, walk across, catch a taxi for $3 (negotiated) get dropped off in front of the club. Walk into AB or HK, have fun, walk around the block see the sights, catch a cab back to the border for $4, stand in line for about 20-40 minutes, get in your car and head home.

As far as the clubs, I love AB, to me it has more better looking women. However, I noticed that some girls are about their hustle, they will come sit with you, get a drink, ask to go upstairs and if you say no or not right now, they move onto the next one. These are usually the hottest ones. I have also noticed chicas wifed up with dudes all night. The one thing I will say is don't believe all that you see. I hooked up with this one chica and she told me how she was all natural, got her upstairs and she wasn't lol Not a big deal since I don't care, but some folks might be disappointed. They are hustlers.

HK is a much nicer club and seems busier, but I did not see as many good looking women. Don't get me wrong the girls were good looking, but they just seem better at AB. I never pulled in HK, I only saw one that caught my interest and she was hugged up with some dude so no luck. I may be heading down next weekend so if I go I will be sure to give you guys an update.

All in all TJ is good bang for the buck, you can live your bachelor party every weekend if you so chose, the prices are quite reasonable. I may have to check out one of the escort services and see if the quality is much better., I am sure it is.

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I really don't get your post? First you say don't go stay home? Are you being sarcastic? Then you go to say what a great time you had at a massage parlor in TJ.

I have been to Mexico TJ it is safe I would go again.I travel around to hobby mostly in the PI and the state's
bonitachika hit the nail on the head with his reply.But the sad thing is I live in the northern part of America and can't make it down to TJ as much as I would like to.If you just want 1hr in the state's for a good GFE your going to pay 300 to 400 for a good escort other then that you get shit service for 150 in the state's.No GFE. If you want to pay 150 for one and done.Mite as well go to TJ for a SG for $30 or $40 or a BG for $60 to $80.But if you want a great GFE for 1hr you can get that for $130 to $150 in TJ. Witch is half the price for great GFE in the State's.The good thing about TJ is you know what your getting up front.If a SG or BG there is no bait and switch.If you use a escort site TJ has a few good ones just read the reviews here.Most lady's from the escort site look better in person then there photo's on site.Well I can go on and on about TJ. If you never been go.But I will never stop going to the PI love my LBFM there.

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Posted By: robert32343
Why would anyone pay 130.00  dollars in TJ for girls. Just stay home and use any service near you. I was in TJ for a week in January and stayed at a great hotel T. and just down the block is a massage place. Got a great massage and more from a beautiful young girl named Angel.    All under a 100 dollars. It also is very safe place as Tijuana now is                                              


 

Posted 1/30/2012 at 3:18:49 PM

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But the level of service is similar to the US and AB and HK are two clubs I stay away from at all costs.  

 

Posted 1/31/2012 at 12:50:43 PM

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Why would anyone pay 130.00  dollars in TJ for girls. Just stay home and use any service near you.
My experience is the service provided by TJ escorts is way superior to that provided by US escorts.

TJ escorts almost always have provided me GFE sessions.  Not the case in the US.
In TJ I've never had a "dance and dash" experience.  I have in the US.
In TJ the session doesn't end with your first "pop."  Unlike the US.

Prostitution is legal in TJ, but not the US.  No risk of getting arrested, having to register as a sex offender, having your boss, friends, wife,etc. after you've been arrested.    


 

Posted 1/31/2012 at 4:26:31 PM

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I agree 100%. You just about fall in love with the TJH  I have to get back there soon  lmao..

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Posted By: robert32343
Why would anyone pay 130.00  dollars in TJ for girls. Just stay home and use any service near you.
My experience is the service provided by TJ escorts is way superior to that provided by US escorts.

TJ escorts almost always have provided me GFE sessions.  Not the case in the US.
In TJ I've never had a "dance and dash" experience.  I have in the US.
In TJ the session doesn't end with your first "pop."  Unlike the US.

Prostitution is legal in TJ, but not the US.  No risk of getting arrested, having to register as a sex offender, having your boss, friends, wife,etc. after you've been arrested.    


 

Posted 2/3/2012 at 6:01:34 PM

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Bonitachika....I think your affiliation with an agency leads you to say that about Adelitas and Hong Kong. I go to TJ pretty much once a week and although I love both clubs....Hong Kong is def my fav. The girls are outstanding and their service is AWESOME!!! Sure there are players there....but also GFEs if you know how to find them. I have a ATF I see almost every time I go down and see just gets better each time I see her. You have to invest time/money if you want to find the gold. Also, the club girls have to be tested once a month, so you know they are clean.....agency girls don't have that requirement.

Your girls are super cute too....Sunny is gorgeous and I definitely plan on having a nice two hour session with her. But let's be honest....Adelitas and Hong Kong are both outstanding clubs which provide a safe and clean environment with smoking hot girls!!!!

 

Posted 2/3/2012 at 10:35:02 PM

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I hated AB before my agency ever opened. I got the idea of the escort agency because I use to hang out on "Franco's" corner (Constitucion and Coahuila) and guys would come out bitching about the service.  AB and HK are probably the two places that are most responsible for our popularity.

HK is a clip joint that is famous for short changing and flat out stealing from Americans.  The pressure from the waiters is unbelievable in that place.  

I will take La Valentina, La Malqueireda,, Delicious, and New York Bar over them any day.  Bucket of beer in HK $40...La Valentina $15, Delicias even less....Not only do the waiters steal, but they over charge as well.

AB at least has more honest waiters, but the chicas pay the clean up boys to knock early and most chicas are very mechanical.  

 

Posted 2/11/2012 at 5:00:00 PM

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In any language your rude & disrespectful, hence the word trick!

 

Posted 2/13/2012 at 8:14:46 AM

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I did not mean to disrespect anyone. I consider your service a helpful and healthy way to enjoy sex. Maybe you see me as rude but we are talking about an hour of what you may call work. What your work is called is only important to you. What I am called is only important to the person calling me whatever. I don't care. The service you  provide should  should always be loving and caring.
In Las Vegas it used to be I could get a very good massage and then extra if needed. Now they don't even pretend to try and massage just turn you over and start negotiations. In other words the first money was for nothing. So people are walking out dissatisfied.

Does Madame mean your a pimp? Or am I being rude again



 

Posted 2/13/2012 at 8:31:08 AM

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I am simply saying I will only go to TJ for sex. I will no longer use made in the USA model. Simply not worth the expense.

 

Posted 2/13/2012 at 8:32:12 AM

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Posted 2/14/2012 at 10:24:52 PM

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The lady has a point, women are still women and no matter what. If you treat them like a woman (not a hooker) then you will almost always be better off, they respond to it, at least from my experience.

 

Posted 2/18/2012 at 3:14:40 PM

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Burt is incorrect about prostitution being legal.  Prostitution is illegal in the state of Baja California per Penal Code articles 266 and 268.  The reason why people think that prostitution is legal is Tijuana is because stings by police are not legal.  The police cannot run sting operations (operaciones encubiertas) in Mexico for any type of crime.  They are allowed to infiltrate organized criminal organizations, but this is for information leaking purposes and none of the intelligence gathered can be used in court if the officer is posing as someone else.  This is one reason why busting the cartels proves difficult.

The chances of being arrested in Tijuana for prostitution are slimmer than in the US, but we should tell the truth that it is illegal and not legal as Burt says.  I have already posted verbatim the penal code, but Burt cannot read and comprehend university graduate level Spanish so he just ignores it.  If a cop asks you if you solicited a prostitute and you say "yes", then you will probably be detained.  The likely outcome would be you are fined or detained for no more than 24 hours, but the code allows for up to 3-6 months in state prison if the offense is deemed serious enough by the judge (real judge in state court, not the policeman admin judge at the drunk tank inside the police station).

As far as safety is concerned, it depends on what you're comparing with.  Less than 6% of all crimes in Tijuana end with a suspect in front of a judge.  Less than 1% of murders are ever solved.  It's up to you whether or not you feel that is safe.  And before people try and claim that all violence in Tijuana is cartels killing each other, try going to the Ministerio Publico and tell us why ordinary people form lines in that place to file reports for robbery, homicide, rape, and extortion.

You probably won't get killed parking your car at a hotel to grab a BJ from a prostitute and leave, but saying Tijuana is safe is pretty silly.  Less than a year ago, an American was gunned down outside of Pueblo Amigo and was face down on the concrete when they found him.  He was 30 years old.  No suspects.  Another was shot to death in the parking lot of Dubai in Zona Rio (you know, the place where no crime happens?).  A family on its way to Ensanada was killed by automatic gunfire because they had a similar car to a drug runner who another cartel was looking for.  Man, woman, and kids all dead.  Oops...

I'm not saying whether you should go to Tijuana for sex purposes or not.  That's your call.  But let's call it what it is and stop saying that this place is perfectly safe and let's stop saying prostitution is legal.  People are going to be misled and get into trouble or hurt because of bad information.

 

Posted 2/25/2012 at 8:52:22 PM

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Burt is incorrect about prostitution being legal.  Prostitution is illegal in the state of Baja California per Penal Code articles 266 and 268.
On the contrary, your information is incorrect.  You need to re-read these penal codes as they do not say what you claim they say--per attorneys practicing law in Tijuana.

As I've posted before, I have discussed the laws governing prostitution in Tijuana with Mexican attorneys practicing in Tijuana.  One even held the prostitution that is equivalent to a US District Attorney and one even read the law to me commenting on it section by section.  These attorneys all tell me that prostitution per se is legal in Tijuana.  

Many aspects of prostitution are illegal such as solicitation in public, operating a brothel, etc.  But not the prostitution per se--paying money for sex--is legal in Tijuana.  Again, you're wrong in saying that prostitution is illegal under Penal Code articles 266 and 268.

Posted By: Kadjevic
If a cop asks you if you solicited a prostitute and you say "yes", then you will probably be detained.  The likely outcome would be you are fined or detained for no more than 24 hours...
You obviously do not understand the difference between public solicitation and prostitution.  One is illegal, the other isn't--as I've often posted.  

The reason bars have curtains over the doors is so that under the law they are not public places.  If you solicit a girl (outside the Zone of Tolerance) in a public place--or she solicits you--then the law is being broken.  If, however, the solicitation does not occur in a public place then the law is not being broken.

Now do you see why you need to discuss the penal code with attorney?  

Once more: many aspects of prostitution are illegal--solicitation in public, operating a brothel, etc.--the the basic act of prostitution (exchanging money for sex) is NOT illegal in Tijuana.      

-- Modified on 2/25/2012 8:04:33 PM

 

Posted 2/25/2012 at 10:49:40 PM

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You do the same thing every time where you just claim to talk to important people in the legal system in Tijuana who supposedly assure you that prostitution is legal.  All just conjecture until you can demonstrate otherwise.  Show me in the penal code where there is an exception to prostitution.  In fact, post the actual code and tell me which part of that code allows prostitution.

And talking to someone who is the equivalent of a US district attorney would be rather foolish to get clarification on state law, since a US attorney is a federal attorney and the penal code I cite is the state law, not the federal law.  You are correct, prostitution is not illegal per federal law.  It is also not illegal per city ordinance that I know of.  It is illegal per state law.

Bars with curtains on the doors are public places.  It is actually a special type of public place which is referred to as "private property with public access", in this case it being restricted public access where minors are not permitted.  This means you would not be guilty of trespassing by entering as you would if you jumped the fence into someone else's front lawn without being invited.

Your argument about public prostitution vs private prostitution is quite ridiculous as well.  "It's legal if the police don't find out about it."  Well doesn't that go for any law?  Until you post some actual substance, I'm afraid all we'll get is hearsay and conjecture from you.  I've posted the penal code several times and it speaks for itself.  You going on and on about "But this guy told me, I swear!  He's an attorney!" is worthless.



 

Posted 2/26/2012 at 12:49:28 AM

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Kadjevic...IF, AS YOU CLAIM, PROSTITUTION IS ILLEGAL IN TIJUANA THEN WHY DOES THE GOV'T ISSUE LICENSES (A/K/A HEALTH CARDS) TO PROSTITUTES?

In case you didn't know, a health card means a woman can legally work as a prostitute in Tijuana. You are aware aren't you that the gov't regularly checks to see if women working as prostitutes--on the streets in the Zone of Tolerance, as well as in the bars and MPs located both inside and outside the Zone of Tolerance--have a health card.  Those without a health card are arrested; those with a health card are allowed to continue working as prostitutes.    

You wanted substance, you just got it.  At a level even you should be able to understand.

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In Tijuana, there are laws that say a person under XX can't drive, that a person has to drive on the right side of the road, that a person must stop at a red light, the a person can't go over X mph, etc.

This doesn't mean that driving is illegal.  As witness the fact the gov't issues driver's licenses.

In Tijuana, there are laws that say a person under 18 can't be a prostitute, that prostitutes can't solicit customers in public places, that a person with a STD can't work as a prostitute, that a person can't operate a brothel, etc.

This doesn't mean that prostitution is illegal.  As witness the fact the gov't issues licenses (health cards) to women working as prostitutes.

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You obviously don't understand the law as it does not outlaw prostitution, it only governs how prostitutes operate.  By your line of reasoning--that because solicitation in public, etc is illegal--then driving a car is illegal because there are things motorist can't do.

If, like me, you'd discussed these laws with an attorney you'd understand they govern what prostitutes can and cannot do.  And that prostitution is legal in Tijuana (just as driving a car is legal) although there are thing a prostitute can't do just as there are things a motorist can't do.

ONCE MORE:  WHY DOES THE GOV'T ISSUE HEALTH CARDS TO PROSTITUTES?  

The answer is because prostitution in Tijuana is a legal activity--like driving a car--when conducted within the boundaries established by law.  


-- Modified on 2/26/2012 12:12:50 AM

 

Posted 2/26/2012 at 1:42:28 AM

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You don't have to ask it 3 times.  I can read and have an attention span longer than 15 seconds.

Comparing being a hooker to driving a car is ridiculous at best.  If you want to have an even comparison, you could say that having sex is not illegal, but having sex for money is.  Driving a car is not illegal.  But driving under the influence, or using your car to hurt someone is.

The health department is not the police.  The authorities who check health cards are not state police.  I addressed that in the other post.  State monies for drug addicts are used to treat drug addiction even though narcotics use is illegal.  The funding of a program to curb the dangers of illegal activity doesn't make the illegal activity somehow legal.  That is a fallacious argument.

So I answered your's.  Now, here's my question:  What part of article 268 do you not understand?

CAPITULO III CODIGO PENAL DE BC
ULTRAJES A LA MORAL PUBLICA

ARTICULO 268.- Tipo y punibilidad.- Se aplicará prisión de uno a siete años y de veinte a cien días multa:

I.- Al que fabrique, reproduzca o publique libros, escritos, imágenes u objetos obscenos y al que los exponga, distribuya o haga circular;

II.- Al que publique por cualquier medio, ejecute o haga ejecutar por otro exhibiciones obscenas;

[b]III.- Al que de un modo escandaloso invite a otro al comercio carnal.[/b]

That doesn't say it's ok if it's not in public, it doesn't say it's legal in certain areas.  It is illegal per state law.  Your argument of selective enforcement is only valid in a practical sense, but not in a legal sense.  Like I've always said, you can say the chances of getting charged with this are slim, but you can't tell me this doesn't exist in the penal code because I'm reading it right here.

Try and refute what's in the penal code.  I want to see this.



 

Posted 2/28/2012 at 7:15:50 PM

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[b]III.- Al que de un modo escandaloso invite a otro al comercio carnal.[/b]

That doesn't say it's ok if it's not in public, it doesn't say it's legal in certain areas.  



Speaking no Spanish I am probably stupid for wading in here.  Google Translate give the following as the English translation: "III. - The scandal that somehow invite another into sexual intercourse."

Could you clarify that?  If inviting is the equivalent to soliciting then I could see where the act of paying for sex might be legal, but the act of soliciting such services might be illegal.



 

Posted 2/28/2012 at 8:36:56 PM

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I can't comment on Google Translate.  

Comercio carnal is a nice way of describing the exchange of sex for items of monetary value, mainly money and money equivalents.  Inviting in this sense describes the person who propositions the other.  If you solicit a prostitute, then that would be you, or if a prostitute propositions you, then that would be her.  Keep in mind these are crimes in the state penal code, so I can't comment on enforcement by city traffic cops or health department officials.  These crimes are investigated by state police detectives and prosecuted by attorneys who work for the PGJE.

Article 266 concerns lenocinio which has broad terms within the same article.

If you look it up, it's pretty self explanatory.  Living off of the earnings of a prostitute or anyone connected with that business is illegal.  Assisting in any way such as driving a vehicle or helping book appointments for her would be illegal as well.

An interesting portion of Article 266 states that "IV.- El que promueva, publicite, invite, facilite o propicie por cualquier medio para que una persona o personas tengan relaciones o actos sexuales con menores de edad, incapaces y/o inimputables."

Inimputables is an interesting one.  Legally this can be defined as someone that is not in their right frame of mind.  This can be someone high on narcotics, intoxicated from alcohol, or in such dire financial straits that she is not fully capable of understanding the consequences of her actions.  A small toddler at home needing formula could be considered enough of an emotional and mental strain to render an otherwise legal adult to be labeled inimputable, thus driving her to prostitution as a way to support her children.  Notice how this is in the same subsection as having sex with a minor, so the penalty range outlined is the same.  Obviously having sex with a minor is more serious, so you would get the max in the range if you for some reason decided to do this, but even the lower end is a pretty hefty sentence to be in Mexican prison.

Keep this in mind if legal trouble were to arise and someone were to try and claim innocence to keep herself out of jail.

The existence of these laws cannot be disputed, as I've just cited them.  You can debate enforcement and how you would or wouldn't be caught all day, but I'm sick of people flat out saying these laws don't exist and giving bad information to people otherwise ignorant of Mexican law in the state of Baja California.


 

Posted 3/6/2012 at 7:04:50 AM

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Are you not the same person who has blatantly asked the readers to flaunt the guideline of the State Dept for the US citizens to travel with US passport when travelling to Mexico? I have also heard some pimps, south of San Diego, are also saying the same thing to get more clients.  Do you have any connection with them?  

 

Posted 3/6/2012 at 3:53:15 PM

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Sorry for the confusion.  The person I was referring to is BURT2010.

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Are you not the same person who has blatantly asked the readers to flaunt the guideline of the State Dept for the US citizens to travel with US passport when travelling to Mexico? I have also heard some pimps, south of San Diego, are also saying the same thing to get more clients.  Do you have any connection with them?  


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Posted 6/20/2012 at 11:24:17 AM

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Yes they are all women.But the bottom line is they are whores and we are giving them money for sex.This bullshit of hobbest and provider is funny.Call it like it is. What does being called a provider make you feel better about taking cock for money? Does calling your self a hobbest make you sleep better when you go home to the wife.Your a monger and she is a whore hence the term whoremonger.

 

Posted 7/21/2012 at 11:55:08 PM

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I was enjoying the conversation and curious to know your arguments until I got to this one.

Your understanding and explanation of the term "inimputables" is utter nonsense.

The word means that a person does not have the mental capacity to know what he or she is doing.

http://mx.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070823140831AAMg1hJ

It is another way of saying insane.

To claim that having sex with someone who has a child at home and needs the money is unlawful because that person is inimputable is like saying someone who needs to earn a living is mentally incompetent because they are compelled to work. You are either intentionally BSing or you dont know what you are talking about.

Having sex with someone who is under the legal age or insane is a form of rape in MX just as it is in the US. That is what the law you cite means. Article 266, Part IV, from what you quote, is not even about prostitution. It is about statutory rape.


 

Posted 7/22/2012 at 12:40:43 AM

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Hahaha you go off Yahoo Answers Mexico for legal interpretation huh?  Mental capacity is a very broad term that is interpreted differently depending on the application.  Your attorney would argue that it only applies to mentally handicapped people and the State would argue that someone hard-pressed for funds on the verge of utter poverty would not make rational decisions.  It would be up to your lawyer and the courts to fight it out, but your lawyer would obviously charge you by the hour.  Want to risk it?  I wouldn't.

The Supreme Court of Mexico has said that it is not the State's job to interpret charges and case circumstances.  It has also said that it is the State's job to interpret charges.  Which one is correct?  It's a dice roll.  Every country's legal system is like this.  You saying anything otherwise shows your naivety and the citation of Yahoo Answers Mexico really shows it clear.

Either your Spanish is completely sub-standard or you're looking at a completely different penal code than I am.  Section IV does mention minors, but also mentions incapacity.  However, you don't need to meet all subsection requirements to be charged.  You only need to meet 1.  Section I, II, or III is good enough for any State attorney to levy a charge against you if he or she feels it necessary.

You're confusing law theory with law practice.  One is taught in the classroom and one is argued over in court.  The latter is never certain.  But they don't address that in Yahoo Answers, do they?

 

Posted 7/22/2012 at 7:39:11 AM

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I'm a lawyer, you dumb shit.
I gave anyone who happened to read your nonsense and wanted a meaningful explanation of why you dont know what you're talking about, a simple one.

Nothing you wrote has any legal meaning or value. Period.
All you do is invent terms that do not exist and twist them to support an absurd argument.
You cite a law that is not even relevant to the issue you raised.
Statutory rape is not about prostitution; it is unlawful however it is practiced, whether money is involved or not. The law you cite is about statutory rape.

I waste enough of my professional life dealing with attorneys who either invent facts or misrepresent the law and dont want to waste any of my private life on it - especially not in the case of someone who so clearly has no idea what the hell he is talking about. You quoted a Spanish word and pretended the phrase means something it clearly does not. So I quoted a simple translation of the word and then explained what it means within the context of the quoted sentence.

The comments made above this one about the Health Card were a great explanation and should have ended the issue.

The fact that providers openly work in TJ makes this conversation essentially worthless, except to those who are curious about how and why and what the limitations on those rules are.

What got me is that your comments about the law are such utter nonsense I figured I should not leave them unaddressed since it was so obvious how and why they are.

You are either a moron or for some reason hoping to worry people over nothing. Either way, you are a waste of time to bother about other than to explain why for someone who might not see it so easily.

But if you personally fear that prostitution in TJ is unlawful, I recommend that you not take part in it, and respect the laws of a sister nation.  

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Hahaha you go off Yahoo Answers Mexico for legal interpretation huh?  Mental capacity is a very broad term that is interpreted differently depending on the application.  Your attorney would argue that it only applies to mentally handicapped people and the State would argue that someone hard-pressed for funds on the verge of utter poverty would not make rational decisions.  It would be up to your lawyer and the courts to fight it out, but your lawyer would obviously charge you by the hour.  Want to risk it?  I wouldn't.

The Supreme Court of Mexico has said that it is not the State's job to interpret charges and case circumstances.  It has also said that it is the State's job to interpret charges.  Which one is correct?  It's a dice roll.  Every country's legal system is like this.  You saying anything otherwise shows your naivety and the citation of Yahoo Answers Mexico really shows it clear.

Either your Spanish is completely sub-standard or you're looking at a completely different penal code than I am.  Section IV does mention minors, but also mentions incapacity.  However, you don't need to meet all subsection requirements to be charged.  You only need to meet 1.  Section I, II, or III is good enough for any State attorney to levy a charge against you if he or she feels it necessary.

You're confusing law theory with law practice.  One is taught in the classroom and one is argued over in court.  The latter is never certain.  But they don't address that in Yahoo Answers, do they?


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Posted 7/22/2012 at 3:45:43 PM

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Haha.  A lawyer who cites Yahoo Answers Mexico.  You obviously have a problem reading the penal code in Spanish.  You ignore sections 1-3 completely.  Wherever you practice law, it's definitely not in any state in Mexico and it's also obvious that you haven't gone to University anywhere Spanish is the common language.

The health card question is a moot point.  Health measures taken do not make a behavior legal.  That's like saying using heroin is legal because clinics will take used needles to discard them to stop the spread of HIV.  They know the needles are used for heroin and other narcotics.  It's a different function.  Can you refute this?  Do health measures make all associated behavior legal?

Can you, without using Yahoo or Wikipedia (Burt's favorite), show me where in the penal code that Article 266 Subsections 1-3 are not valid?  Because the law says what it says, and you saying "No, you're wrong, I'm a lawyer" doesn't make it disappear.  Subsection 1 says that "comercio carnal" is illegal.  Tell me how it's actually really legal and the penal code is wrong.  Anything else is your opinion or point of view.  Show me something legal to refute the penal code.  Going to need something concrete instead of just "take my word for it, i'm an attorney who doesn't speak Spanish to any educated degree" reasoning.



 

Posted 7/22/2012 at 5:00:00 PM

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Like I said, I dont have the time or interest to play this game with someone who either is a moron or intentionally trying to confuse people.

I do not know you so I will not make guesses about which of the two fits you. You apparently now either agree with me that your use of the word inimputable was misleading and that the section you used to conjure up concerns is not even about prostitution; or you simply do not understand the sentence you quoted and cannot respond to my explanation about why it deals with statutory rape and not prostitution.

Anyway, if you really are convinced that prostitution in all its forms, wherever and however practiced, is illegal in TJ, and a risk to Americans taking part in it, then you should ignore the reviews of TER; not visit the zone; stay away from escorts...and keep yourself safe. You get to make that decision for yourself. That kind of freedom exists in both nations and you get to enjoy it in whichever nation you are able to visit.

My knowledge and experiences tell me that prostitution in TJ - in the places I visit and the ways I take part in it - is legal and relatively safe, as well as fun and generally worth the absurd hassle of crossing the border back to the US.  

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Posted 7/22/2012 at 6:41:40 PM

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"It's legal because I said so."  Not going to work on anyone with more than minimal intelligence.

Here's an answer to your question.  I've always answered it before, but since you stop at the first few sentences to respond, you keep missing it: Article 266 Subsection 4 deals with statutory rape.  Subsections 1-3 do not.  Subsection 2 actually spells out "prostitucion" clearly.  Subsection 3 spells out again "prostitucion".  But I doubt you read that far.  Article 268 deals with "comercio carnal" just like Article 266 Subsection 1.  Same thing.

I keep telling you, but you have this attachment to Subsection 4 that is almost morbid.  Anyone with common sense can read this and see I'm quoting the Penal Code of Baja California and you're quoting yourself with the "It's legal because I said so.  Trust me, I'm at attorney, even though I don't speak Spanish."  That will not work in front of a judge, unfortunately.  Won't keep you out of the papers if you get caught.  It's not even a valid defense to be used in court.

Makes me think you don't really want an answer to the questions you ask because I keep answering them and you keep saying the same thing.  Do Subsections 1-3 of 266 even exist in your mind?  I mean we all know they're there.  Is it a thing where you're unable to read more than 2-3 sentences in a post, or are you intentionally trying to make me laugh?  By the way, I'd bet my life that you're not a criminal attorney and I'd bet all my money that you're not even a lawyer.  It's so obvious.



 

Posted 8/3/2012 at 4:57:38 PM

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That's true why pay 130.00 doller. I would not. that paying to much. learn the art of making the deal. with 130 you can get layed all nigth, have more than a few beer and dinner too. it's all part of the adventure of going down south. make plans with a few friends or just a wing man for safty.

 

Posted 8/7/2012 at 4:50:02 PM

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From a guy that has paid $400 I would think you could appreciate, better service, better chicas, better price.

 

Posted 11/15/2012 at 7:36:16 AM

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