I am meeting quite a lot of young and HOT women who don't care at all about the financial portion if you are actually available to pay attention to them and meet their other needs. I've met more cool hot girls on here than I ever did in online dating and they don't care about the cash... they all say "yeah money would be nice"... but they don't ask for it... I made one a $4 Thanksgiving dinner, and we made out all night and I pulled her hair really hard and bit her face lol... She'll be back and things will go further. Tonight I had a date with one of those liquor promotion models you see in clubs and can never get a date with... I had her laughing so hard she committed to a second date, again with no discussion of money.
If you are attractive and charming, and weed out the gold-diggers fast... there is a jackpot on SA for single guys looking for a real thing.But you ought not expect a lot of repeat occurrences with these SBs simply because you purposefully choose to ignore the most important part of an arrangement as far as the POT SBs are concerned, i.e, the financial offering / allowance part. Before you start crying sour grapes, let me inform you that is how I entered and played the "game" on SA when I had initially started on SA, although I never bit anyone's face!
Every grain of me now is against your method because I that you are doing (which again is what I used to do) goes toward paving the path and making it easier for the next POT SD who (believe me) is just one click away from "stealing" your girl 
As for the topic, most def YES on the SA and more latitude for the single / unattached / unencumbered.
I dunno... In my experience most self respecting women, if they start sleeping with you and like you aren't going to bail on you for a few hundred bucks a week, not at least without asking you first. These aren't girls that I'm neglecting to pay or not spending money, I'm just not handing them cash and they've expressed no interest in it.
Because the follow up to that self-righteous and quite self-serving statement would naturally be, "no self-respecting gentleman would ever consider paying for sex!!!". That's a ruse and we all know it.
It's none of my business to WK for the POT SBs and if they are gullible enough to fall for that sorta BS, perhaps they deserve it. SA is an adult playground and the rules are pretty clear cut. I like the rules as it circumvents much of the potential future headaches. Have at it your way as I'm no one to judge.
I think you are reading too much into what I'm saying. There's no value judgment here. The kind of women who don't want money or aren't focused on it on SA are also the kind of women who want monogamy and genuine attention and affection. They aren't gonna jump ship for a few hundred bucks. That's all I'm saying.
It's none of my business to WK for the POT SBs and if they are gullible enough to fall for that sorta BS, perhaps they deserve it. SA is an adult playground and the rules are pretty clear cut. I like the rules as it circumvents much of the potential future headaches. Have at it your way as I'm no one to judge.
although I must admit I'm surprised that your SBs are not more motivated by money. Others here have also reported finding SBs who don't ask for $$$ so I guess it must be true. I haven't run into any of those myself. I do consider myself attractive and charming, but I'm also old and married, so it's no wonder our Sugar experiences are different. As for the gold diggers, I'm involved with one of those right now. Against my better judgement. But she is so freaking hot and cute, whatever good judgement I normally have has flown right out the window! Maybe I should have said old, married, and senile!
Your post wasn't clear. You wrote you made out with one and things might go further next time. Then you said You met a model and she committed to a second date. It doesn't sound like you actually already had sex with them. If they are willing to have sex with you without any $ gift, you lucky bastard! 
I have met quite a few girls on SA who said they are really looking for a meaningful relationship. I don't know if they meant it or just didn't want to sound like a gold digger. Either way, I wish them luck and move on. I am only on SA for NSA fun.
disabuse us from.
Certainly woman want affection and even romance, but money is, in fact, the most sincere expression of same when handled with a bit of tact.
To think that any woman will go far with any man without some tangible results is delusional.
Money is the most sincere display of affection and romance...? lmao.
I think its you who needs to be disabused.
Mr. Fisher's post which was the use of tact. Based on your responses so far and how brazen you claim to behave with POT SBs, I am not surprised by this.
Yeah I mean... I don't know what planet you guys live on... if its the cheating on your wives and trying to keep another woman interested planet sure that makes sense...
But I've had a lot of hot girlfriends, many of whom wanted to marry me... and I don't buy women gifts or spoil them financially. People have a whole variety of desires and motivations... If you think money is the only currency I just think you've been mongering too long.
...stop digging when already in a hole?!
It's not about me against you! I am just highlighting to potential newbies who may be lurking on here that trolling SA masquerading as a POT SD to use that system without ever having the intention to broach an allowance or a stipend of sorts is going to have an adverse effect. I have also stated upthread that I did this same very thing when I was a novice on SA and now, in retrospect wish that I had not done so.
I have come to the conclusion that you are really beyond redemption at this point but I'm hoping that my point is taken earnestly by an aspiring POT SD. BTW, I'm single just like you claim to be and to your possible surprise, that is not such a unicorn status! Shrug!
My profile flat out says that I'm willing to pay for companionship, and I am... I hobby, and SB's are a better value so why wouldn't I?
I'm genuinely finding women who would prefer other things. I have every intention of spending money on them... but if they'd rather do nice things out, or get things that they need from me than be handed cash, why would I argue?
"... I made one a $4 Thanksgiving dinner, and we made out all night and I pulled her hair really hard and bit her face lol... She'll be back and things will go further. Tonight I had a date with one of those liquor promotion models you see in clubs and can never get a date with... I had her laughing so hard she committed to a second date, again with no discussion of money..."
I may be a bit dunce or even devoid of reading comprehension, but your last post and your OP seem to bear quite different tunes.
Anyway, good luck in your endeavors LEN. I have no animosities towards you, I just don't condone your methods in your OP.
I don't understand what methods you are referring to... in all cases I've broached the subject of money, even going so far as to point blank ask them what they need or want.... I've expected them to want it. These women just don't care about that. The one I cooked dinner for at home said its illogical to her to spend money eating out, so I told her I'd buy her shoes so she doesn't wear flip flops in the winter (She's an RN btw)... The promotional model again I straight asked her what she wanted or I could do for her, and I told her what I wanted out of a real relationship (dinner and sex 2-3 times a week) and she said that's the perfect relationship to her too... so I'll take her to a really nice dinner and see if she feels like that's a good way to spoil her.
Its not like I"m trying to not pay them on purpose... I've also seen several profiles who say they straight don't care about money they just want to date older single guys, and they've all responded positively to me too.
I don't think you are being confrontational.. but you seem to be misunderstanding, or perhaps I just didn't explain completely enough
and tossing it back and forth. i couldn't have hoped for better.
The truth is that there is no real truth on this. Money can represent at once the most banal level of existence, and also the highest aspiration of same. As in all important things, it's not the what, but the how that matters, and you have both pointed out representative elements of both poles.
I have experienced both poles, where a gal offered me overly generous amounts of time for what I paid because she desired the connection we created. I've also paid someone ridiculous amounts of money because I was smitten by her. Most situations fall into the middle.
I just wanted to set up a discussion that would challenge the everyday grasp of the concepts and expand the thinking. Mission accomplished
Okay, I am new to this thread and keep seeing references to a site referred to as "SA" I did some searches and there are several sites that could be this SA. Which one is it?
of hobbying. You'll find out a lot more about SA if you do a search for it on this board.
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You're so attractive and charming that you spent an entire evening with these girls and couldn't get laid. Wow what a stud.
Did you ever think that the reason you didn't score was because you didn't pay? Probably they were waiting for an offer. And those promises of future dates? Probably not gonna happen unless you come up with some scratch.
Oh, and what girl doesn't love to have her face bitten? Lol.
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yeah dude I spent about 4 hours with one talking, and about 1 hour with the other... but you go on with your infinite knowledge.
I made out with quite a few SB's without paying, even managed to get BJ and FIV so it is not a big deal what you did. If you manage to get laid without paying, good for you. But it doesn't sound like you did.
The answer is remains to be seen... I wasn't getting laid on either of those dates from the gate... so its all about this week.