I loathe that whole token system they have implemented for communicating. If you don't know what it is, you will soon find out on your own! There are cross over SBs on that site but the trtaffic is very low and the action very slow. The SBs you will find on there (based on my own past experiences) are the mercenary types and here in So. Cal, the going rate (with some wrangling!) was about $200 just to show up and offers of $100 were being scoffed at! Fuck that, you can just offer $100 to POT SBs on SA if you want or have to pay for a date and most will gladly accept just to show up and no further promises.

Fuck Brandon Wade and his WYP and his other scam Miss Travel. Be cautious of the sorts on those two sites. SA was his best idea by far!!!

BCD is most definitely NOT expected for the price of your "date"  

Picture the old yellow page scam of "the $200 is just for me to show up" but modernized to fit the 21 century.  

I agree, I am NOT paying a woman simply to pay more money to feed her and have a "nice chat" Save your money and give this site a wide berth.

BCD is explicitly NOT expected or guaranteed with WYP.  At least according to the site's rules and TOS.  

The business model is different, yes. You are expected to pay something for the 1st meetup and then you can discuss/negotiate if there will be a 2nd date and what activities might be included.  

Note a few key tactics to make this model work:  

1. Look for profiles where Sugar-Daddy is included in her "type of dating" section.  
2. No 1st dates over $100-150 (based on geo market and her hotness).  
3. Be clear and specific during/immediately after your 1st date on what you are looking for in a 2nd+ dates.  
4. Be prepared to go on a lot of 1s dates without a 2nd date.  

Really, this is not drastically different than using SA (at least for me - but I know some here will disagree). I generally want a 1st meet in public and use that time to get a feel for potential to engage in a SD/SB negotiation. If you are leery of the additional expense, drop the budget of the lunch/dinner bill by going to more moderate places to meet.  

I have about the same success rate "converting" a 1st date to an ongoing SB (or even single p4p session) as I do on SA.  In addition, in my experience in the San Jose and Los Angeles markets, I've seen about a 65% overlap between the sites (they are both owned by one guy and they cross-promote).  So the only significant difference is the mechanics of how the 1st meet up happens. If you end up with an ongoing SB, or even a single p4p from this, what's the difference if your total "sugar" spend is front loaded by paying $100 up front?

Final note: I've received offers a low as $25 from POT SB's that live in outlying areas of LA. Many of these had pics showing an 8+ in looks. I usually pass - not really interested in a 60+ minute drive. But I have met some and usually converted to a hot, low cost p4p.

Apparently, I have had more success than these losers (Oops! I mean esteemed colleagues :P ).  

Just kidding fellas.

So the message is: YMMV. Use what works for you.

As others have said, BCD is explicitly against the TOS for WYP.  Since I have never been a hobbyist, WYP seemed a good way to ease into the SB/SD arrangements.  I took the plunge in October and have met two from WYP; the first is a stripper that had done arrangements and knew the deal. She was surprised when I honored the WYP procedure at the first date and almost bailed on date #2 since as a newbie I didn't direct the conversation properly. However, I was able to rescue it and that has turned into a great arrangement. #2 was shortly after I had started the actual arrangement with the dancer and her pictures weren't exactly current; she wasn't much older but was heavier.  Not fat, but not the slim girl from the pictures.  An arrangement never came up since I wasn't interested.

I have messaged with a few others, although as noted the token system SUCKS.  They claim no bots or fake profiles but there are plenty of girls who accept the offers and either never respond or write a cursory "hey" sort of thing and never respond to anything you send them.  I had two more that did correspond but meets never happened.  One I found on SA and when I texted about an actual SB/SD arrangement, it has been radio silence - she seemed like she was one that just wanted to be paid to be taken to dinner.  The other was wishy-washy, agreeing then cancelling and when the second cancellation seemed imminent, I cancelled and moved on - she wasn't that hot.  Using up the last of my tokens I have one "on the hook" so to speak; we haven't gotten a meeting to work yet but she's been more responsive since I found her on SA and we have discussed an actual arrangement instead of the WYP nonsense.  Hoping to meet that one soon and see if an arrangement is worthwhile.

Now that I found this forum, I am probably going to give SA a try when I need to find another SB.  I did as has been suggested a few times and read back 6+ months worth of archives and feel like I have a better handle on things.

I have not tried it personally, but I have a little input from friends.

I STRONGLY recommend bypassing it if your aim is to get laid for a reasonable price.  If your aim is simply arm candy and a pleasant dinner/lunch/coffee date for $50-$300, then go for it.  

There are several problems.

First, it draws girls who want money just for being pretty or maybe charming.  (More of them are pretty than charming.)  They have a sense of entitlement and think guys will pay money to be in their company.  Do NOT assume that you will get anything beyond the first date.  Just as many women on SA want platonic only, lots of the women on WYP want some money for little effort.  They would rather have $200 for dinner than $500 for getting laid.  Either their need is not so great, or they have issues with having sex.  Many of the women on WYP are not looking for sex at all.  Guys may assume it, but that's an invalid inference.

Second, the payment to meet is NOT a downpayment on sex, in the event that she is willing to go BCD.  The amount for intimacy is over an above the price for dinner.  Thus, a $500 BCD date costs you $200 to meet her, $500 to fuck her, and $100 or so to feed her.  SA is more economical.  

WYP is set up to give guys blue balls.  Don't waste your time.

I have tried it and have come to understand its uniqueness.   Many on WYP use it as a dating site.  The $$$ they ask for, in their eyes, weeds out the cheapskates.  Others are on it to simply make $100-200 and pocket the cash.  Some are crossovers from SA, interested in being a Sugarbaby, and are willing to forgo the WYP agreed upon date price to meet and discuss an SB/SD arrangement.  Basically, for $10 (the amount of tokens tied to a $100 agreed upon price) you can begin a messaging relationship with a potential SB.  I have found the $10 worth it, on occasion, as it saves some of the time it takes to cultivate a messaging relationship on SA.  SA is a war of attrition.  With a woman on WYP who wants to be a Sugarbaby, WYP can get you a pretty quick public meeting.  Of course, I make it clear to the ladies who agree to meet publicly to talk arrangement that I will not be paying the WYP agreed date price.  None have complained because we have already talked about the per meet number and were on the same page.  The public meet was just to see if there was a connection.  I have found two SBs this way.  The problem is that most women just check all the boxes and it is hard to tell who really is interested, or even knows, what an SB is!

I have exchanged messages on SA before with the one who wanted 150. She is a tall slim busty blonde in her mid-twenties (my dream type). I remember I offered her my max $ gift of 500, but she said she would take 700 only because she likes me. (She told me she usually asks for 1k. All BS of course.) She then took down her profile so we couldn't continue our haggle. Let's see if this will get me anywhere. Now I have to spend 20 credits just to talk to someone which means I can only talk to 5 POT SBs with my 100 credits. This model sucks! Unless I can score before my credits run out, I won't bother with this site anymore.

On SA over the WYP model!

For those who are not new and unfamiliar with the Z-Meister (I'm sure he's lurking around but hasn't posted for at least 6 months or so), he was a poster who (to his credit) had brought up the SA alternative (not necessarily by name) and Sugar Bowl in general back in the days circa 2010-2011. He was this flowery and fanciful type of writer who cherished in writing about his escapades in very flowery and novella type of way, sprinkled with a few $10 words in here and there. His stories were quite entertaining but his problem was his "Ewuge" ego and his proclivity in questioning anyone's SD/SB stories which did not fit his model of "successes" and general story telling! The guy was educated (perhaps even an academic type in the past) but he was quite the narcissist ala GaGa, but nowhere as endearing and as likeable as the asshole we know as GaGa As an ode to GaGa, he cherishes in his assholery persona but he frowns upon being called a lying asshole. Zangari, took offense to both superlatives and finally once this sub forum started to become populated with all sorts of SDs and wannabe SDs, his very last comment was, "the signal to noise ration is at zero" or something to that effect. He then picked up his ball and went crying all the way back home! (Did I miss anything of importance in the Z refresher course?!)

Anywho! His model was to approach what he had termed as young college "goddesses" (purportedly he was from an economically suppressed Midwestern State where there were some colleges in his locale) with an offer of $100 to show up for a meeting and I think that his offered PPM was in the $300 range atop the initial meeting fee. Like the title of my post suggest, if a gun was put to my head to pay for a date, I would much prefer to emulate the Z method than the WYP sh*t show. Here is So. Cal a $100 per date girl (lunch / dinner) will most likely get you a fatty who would satiate her food cravings for free anyway and most girls (RL 7s or 8s) would not even get out of bed for less than $200 (when I had spread my net to Orange County, CA; the mercenary Newport Beach type of WYP girls wanted no less than $300 supposedly to cover makeup, mani/pedi plus maybe a new blouse / outfit!). If HerbTheCat is having success at $100 in Los Angeles, he may be focusing on the Valley type girls because no girl from BH, Westwood, WeHo, Hollywood proper or those areas would respond to a $100 offer!

I understand as to why the Brandon Wade Enterprises set up WYP to cover the basis as far as a credit system revenue goes, but I will remain staunchly against becoming a punter in that paradigm.

If the bitch thinks she is so hot that I not only have to buy her dinner but pay to watch her eat. F. HER!  Im 99% sure she would have severe GPS and she can go f herself.

Three POT SBs accepted my offers. In order to initiate conversations (negotiations) with them, I have to use my credits to "unlock" the offers. 10 credits for an offer of $50. I offered two $100 and one $150 so I had to use 70 out of 100 credits I purchased for $50. Two went totally radio silent after I started the conversations, and one wouldn't confirm after we set up a dinner date for last evening (she at least gave me her number). This model sucks! I also noticed a lot of them have not been online recently (more than a month ago). Not a good sign.

But only in major metro regions like DC metro where there are lots of 20-35 women who use the site.  When traveling on business to other less populated regions - there is a scacity of profiles.  In the DC region WYP seems to be particularly popular with foreign au pairs, exchange students, - but I refuse to go over 200, and even if you bid and get contact, once you exchange contact info if you don't get the right vibe for hour meeting, you simply don't follow thru.   Look for ones open to "discreet affair" or who otherwise indicate intheir description that they enjoy sex.