Hey all. Happy New Year. Someone made an interesting observation below, but it was buried in the middle of another thread so I thought I would repost it here for others to opine on...
Someone mentioned directly listing their desired per meet rates in their SA profiles... I was wondering if anyone else had tried that and what the results were or if SA even allows it. So for example, if I wanted to pay on average about 300 per meet, can I say directly my SA profile that I was looking "to pay 250-350 per date"? The cons of this approach (if it is not too explicit or even allowed by SA) would be that you would get a much lower hit rate. The pros to this approach would be that the girls who DO respond would be pretty solid leads bc they know what the per meet budget is that you are working with and are ok with it... so you should have a pretty good shot with them I would think since the $$ aspect is now known and agreed upon for the most part. Also there would be a lot LESS messaging with girls that doesn't go anywhere or with girls who aren't really serious, not on same page about money, etc... Thoughts? Here in DC the average per meet rate for a hot girl is about 300-400 depending... however, since I also have to factor in hotel rates, it quickly pops my budget up to around 500 per meet, which is more than I want to spend on an SB when there are some really hot providers I can see for that rate that will have much better menu. I'm thinking about explicitly listing something in my profile like "300 if you can't host; 375 if you can host" and see what happens. Like I said, I think my overall response rate will be lower, but the ones who do respond and/or are interested, should be pretty ready to go. Curious to hear what others think of this approach? Too blunt? Could work? Unrealistic? Maybe this is too explicit and close to the "p" word and not even allowed by SA? Cheers,jungl
Could be a very interesting experiment, which I am perfectly happy to let you try with your money. :p
Seriously, it's worth trying. A few considerations from my POV:
1. Make ABSOLUTELY SURE you do not imply a quid pro quo (i.e.: cash for sex). Even a hint can be interpreted a soliciting. I'm sure SA would ban you and they may refer you to LE. Or LE may be monitoring the site.
2. I don't think SB's rationalize the "incidental" costs we incur like hotel rooms, air fare, etc. If it's not cash or gifts that they take home, the value does not get added into their perception of how much "sugar" you are providing. So offering a host vs. non-host amount may not work well and could be viewed poorly (see #1) or as making her feel like a pro.
3. You might want to use (or experiment with) a term like "minimum per meet" instead of a range. That could accomplish your goal of reducing back and forth on negotiating but it reserves the right for YOU to decide if and when to give more sugar.
Good luck. I'll be looking forward to seeing how you do.
I would think this would get flagged, but hey if gets through go for it. The only downside is they may block your membership temporarily or reject your profile until it is fixed. LEN got some heat over something he did. If it gets through, then it will depend on whether some sensitive SB gets her panties in wad and complains.
I give a range 300 - 350 and say depends if you can host.
You need to be flexible on money just as do the SB's.
Some dream of a "allowance", others don't care and just want say $300, etc.
Many dream of $500+ but you can get them down. If you put a $ amount they will just skip over you or not respond.
But remember, if you pay peanuts, you get what you pay for!
Zackly!
Some dream of a "allowance", others don't care and just want say $300, etc.
Many dream of $500+ but you can get them down. If you put a $ amount they will just skip over you or not respond.
But remember, if you pay peanuts, you get what you pay for!
Not sure I understand this. If she asks and you have an amount you are comfortable with, what's wrong with being first when mentioning a price? I've had some SBs tell me what they want and then we negotiate. I'm fine with that. But I've had others unwilling to mention a number and I want to move the process along. So I tell them the amount I "normally" give, which is an amount I'm very comfortable with and which my previous SBs have been very happy to receive. If they agree, it's game on. If not, we negotiate. It's still totally my choice whether I decide to increase my original offer or not. My normal amount is on the low side anyway and I wouldn't expect to date a hot girl for much less. I know Gagambler (and others??) has reported some zero dollar dates. I'd be surprised if that ever happened to me so I'm not holding my breath. Even the SBs who I feel genuinely liked me a lot would not have stayed for zero dollars. So starting off by mentioning my normal amount seems fine.
Have to agree with sweetman's strategy - if she won't make the first offer.
I try to assess her overall experience level/tenure on the site (or in the sugar bowl) as well. A relative newbie will probably be less willing to suggest a number and to accept my number since she has little to compare it to. A more experienced/tenured POT SB will have a firm idea of a number and will be more willing to claim it early to "weed out" the "cheap losers".
Next, I will generally (with some exceptions) try to cast myself in the opposite side. If she's a noob I'll be the experienced guy who knows what he can pay and what she should receive. If she's had several arrangements along the way (and thus more likely to accept/want p4p) I'll try to come off as less experienced and so less willing to "risk" big dollars until I am comfortable with the arrangement and with her.
Either way it will still come down to knowing exactly what you are willing to do per meet and how often. Know your budget and don't exceed it unless.... (There's always an "unless" because your dick has veto power over your brain.)
Yup, my dick has vetoed my brain several times!
I'm not a lawyer but this seems to me to get too close to the legal line. I think you will scare a lot of people off if you do that.
I don't like the idea in general, but it can save time.
First, I wouldn't put the info in your profile. As noted, that may make the legal status more spurious.
Second, SA may not like it, and you may get booted. That said, I have seen profiles of about half a dozen SBs who mention a dollar amount as their minimum (one I saw this summer for $250 now asks $400).
Third, it causes you to overpay. As noted, in negotiation, make the other party give a number first. It may be lower than you expect and are willing to pay.
Fourth, it draws those focused on money. These are the ones who will want taxi fare, money to meet, gifts, etc. Of course, most SBs expect cash (I know of a few who don't), but some are TOO focused on it.
Fifth, it establishes only one parameter and ignores some possibly more important things. You may be willing to pay up to $400, but what are you are getting for your money? I like to know the product before discussing price. If the SB hears $400, she may assume that she can give you a quick fuck and be done in 30 minutes. OTOH, you are wanting 3 hours, multiple rounds, DFK, DATY, BBBJ, and CIM. Those things need to be discussed--tactfully--before discussing price. Do you go into a restaurant and think I'm willing to spend $XX on dinner? No, you look at the menu first.
Sixth, one of my friends cites a range. He claims that the women take the low point or midpoint of the range. If I were a SB, I would think "What is wrong with me? He paid $XXX (the top of his range) before, but he's offering me only the midpoint?" I don't think you can assume that the midpoint will work. When SBs have quoted me a range of what they have gotten in the past, everyone has agreed to accept the bottom of the range.
Seventh, and most important in my view, it chases away the SBs who are interested in chemistry, which is the group that I am most interested in. As we know, many SBs have an odd mindset about taking money for sex. Downplaying the money issue as much as possible is the best approach in my view.
As noted, citing a dollar amount likely will save you time in your search, because the women are effectively agreeing to that amount. But I think you are better off spending that same amount on a pro whose menu and reviews are readily available