I have never asked for a White List recomendation and have never needed one. Any lady I have asked for a reference from has been happy to provide one. Personally, when I offer a name for a reference, I prefer to have asked the lady in question for her permission first. I'm not sure just what the White List does or how it's used, but whether I was "listed" or not, I would still want to be involved in the verification process.
some agencies and indies do look for white lists. I am not saying that is not the only requirement, nor should it be, but is has helped me on a couple of occasions.
...if a provider who wants references but may not be able to contact them in time or just to see if there is a provider they know personally to get info from on the white list for a client.
It is essentially taking ownership of reviews which are "fictitious accounts." I asked lawyer friend about it and he said it could be considered valid as business documentation in a court of law.
I have accepted whitelist from gents as one way to verify but do require they pick one gal to be a reference anyways OR provide employment verification in addition.
Sorry, but I don't see how it's any different, legally, from a review. If it ever got to the point where TER's records, or a provider/agency's records (let's not get into whether they have or don't have them ) or my identity and actions were ever discussed in a court of law, all it says is I met this person and we may have had sex. Two consenting adults are allowed to do that. So if a member writes reviews, I don't see any additional risk from the whitelist mechanism.
I didn't mean it posed a risk to you guys, any moreso than reviews.. but to us ladies it could. The guys write reviews from a fictitious handle. But our handles are usually our provider names, with links to our photos, websites, etc. If we were to be in trouble legally, and we had acknowledged our reviews, it could create more problems. I'm not a legal professional, and I can't recall the exact terminology used, but I asked a client who is a lawyer and he felt there was a possibility that it could be used in court somehow given that such could be considered business documentation?
I have mentioned it in the past and wasn't asked for any further references, so my impression is that it does work. I imagine it might come in particularly handy in the case of a last minute appointment. I wish more ladies would offer one.
but if I were a provider, I might contact the providers the hobbyist reviewed that haven't white listed him.
Just like references, of course the guy is going to give the women a reference they know is going to be good.
I also have been white listed by a provider unsolicited that I have never seen or even know really. We were at a party together and that's it. TER will not remove it. Since she sort of has a trouble maker reputation, and I have never seen her, I now know how it must feel for a provider to get a fake review and not be able to have it removed.
I also know that some guys ask, beg and plead for white listings as a badge of honor. I know of a few providers that felt pressured to give white lists that they really didn't want to.
So, to me, it is just one of many resources the girls may use to screen to keep them safe.
... seem to be enough... Like Bobb, I have never solicited any and if someone wants to, then so be it... I think if you are a gentleman, the word gets around, at least locally... I have found that on the road, getting dates is usually pretty easy when they know you are from out of state and check your ID.
I would never ask a provider to white list me. That just seems lame. Providers are welcome to use, or not use, the feature however they want as far as I'm concerned.
a provider or agency to whitelist you, if you are a regular client and have a good relationship with them. The mechanism saves them time - they will probably have to deal with fewer referral requests from you.
To my way of thinking, it's not like asking someone else for a compliment. This is not about whether I am a cool dude, simply that I am a reliable, respectful customer.
Personally speaking, being whitelisted has nothing to do with the content of my reviews, or even whether I review. I have asked for referrals from people/agencies that I have not reviewed (as above, I simply have a longstanding business relationship that we both expect to continue). Second, they typically don't know my TER handle before I ask for the whitelist - it's all after the fact.
In general, I don't give out my TER handle unless I know that the provider/agency is an active TER member (not just an occasional advertiser) and the information is relevant. This means that, in six years of active hobbying, probably 90% of the time, my handle doesn't come up.
asked for a review. Both put unnecessary pressure on the other party. If they want to and do participate in white listing or reviewing they will.
Like I mentioned in my other post. I know girls that have white listed men they did not want to. Because they are prominent on the boards AND have attempted to sway business, they feel it's better to just go with the politics and white list.
I never assume that how the provider or agency owner acts towards me is how they really feel. This is business and if they really think your cool, you'll get the white list without asking.
Personally, I just think it's lame to ask and never will. Just my opinion.
The only official description on the White List I could find was the following:
"If you have a good reputation with the ladies, encourage them to visit the TER White List and submit a referral for you. The TER White List is an easy way for providers to give positive references about members they have seen."
I have assumed that "good reputation" and "positive reference" simply means that: - I am who I say I am - I am a normal guy, not a wacko - I am reasonably clean and respectful - I keep my appointments and I pay
That is to say, this is about business and equivalent to a standing reference, not about my performance during a session. Unlike a provider, I am not being rated. This is why I think a provider/agency white-listing a client is different from a client reviewing a provider.
It also would follow that the etiquette around asking is different. Asking a provider for a reference is expected and is done all the time. A provider asking a client for a review can get awkward, as 2 Inch says. The difference is, I am not there to fulfill her fantasy. She is not rating me on how much she liked being with me or whether I pushed her buttons. I won't take it personally and my livelihood won't be affected if I do or don't get a White List referral from a particular provider.
Also, unlike a provider, I am not trying to get pages of top ratings. Just like one-off references, having 3 or 4 people vouch for me should be sufficient.
I am surprised at the amount of disagreement on this, as the agency owners I have spoken to about it seemed to have the same understanding as I did. Perhaps, as 2 Inch suggested, they were not being honest with me, but I doubt it. Perhaps TER staff can clarify?
The White List consists of no more than you can see. A provider adds her name below your reviews. By doing so, she is vouching for you. There is nothing more to it than that. There isn't even a place for personal notes on our own White List Referrals in the account manager.
I think it's a great idea - if I simply give a lady's email or contact # for referral I have to rely on her answering either the phone or her email in a timely fashion for something that isn't a priority for her - the white list is always accessible.
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) or my identity and actions were ever discussed in a court of law, all it says is I met this person and we may have had sex. Two consenting adults are allowed to do that. So if a member writes reviews, I don't see any additional risk from the whitelist mechanism.
Since she sort of has a trouble maker reputation, and I have never seen her, I now know how it must feel for a provider to get a fake review and not be able to have it removed.