Ok, for starters. I like to know ahead how long he wishes for me to stay.  
I don't leave until I see that my date is relaxed and satisfied.
 
Ladies, how many of you have had this happen too? Where your date totally fogets that it's a business date... and didn't add the extra donation at the end of your date/session?    

Dam if i say:  it's time for me to go....  dam if I dont say anything and he doesn't tace care of the extra donation.

Men, Who's  in charge of the time???

Any advice input,  is highly appreciated.  

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Besos
Viviann

If guys are going over the hr, you can say hun your time is up, would you like to extend.  

If you say nothing he may think you're enjoying your time with him so much, that you are giving him off the clock time.

because it's your business and only you know when your next appointment is.  He can't possibly know that.  That said, there are lots of guys who presume on a girl's time and fall into the GFE fantasy.
I don't do that.  I'm the clock watcher and try to pace myself accordingly.

has a certain song or two near the end of the hour (or 2 hours, etc.).  When the song plays the lady knows there are say 10 minutes left.  She may choose to say, "Would you like to shower before you leave" or something similar while getting up and putting on her robe.

I'm the clock keeper in a session,not the provider.  I consider it a business transaction and I should only get what I pay for to keep both of us happy.  I leave on time even If I'm still horny as hell.

Other things to consider: men have big ego (i know i do).  So if you don't say or give any hint, they'll think that you're spending extra time b/c they are awesome.  Also, some only go up to the room with the donation amount.  They leave their wallet and other personal items in the car (for safety reason

Now I am a clock watcher and leave on the time agreed to. I even set a quiet alarm so I know it is time to wrap things up. But some guys loose track of time and other just will not respect your time, so you must keep track and insist he not abuse time not paid for. Your the business owner it is your job to make sure your customers are not stealing product. (Your time and energy is your product.) You set the rules. Remember that.

That doesn't mean guys should take advantage of it but I don't look at the clock ever. The girl will give me the idea when the time is up. But I also screen for those type of girls to begin with.

I read here how so many of the softer guys here start to get ready to leave before their time is even up. Never understood that. Do they walk out on a movie 10 minutes before it's over? Lol. Maybe they do, who knows.

And you have every right to make a move to go when the time the guy paid for is up. If you want to give and extra 15, fine but then, make a move to go.  

Why damn if you do? What do you think he is going to do...oh hang on, that's right, you'll be branded a clock watcher (which is bullshit on a platter if the hooker gives the entire time) in his review.  

Is the review system so threatening that you can;t get a guy to leave at the appropriate time?  

Also do not assume the guy wants to pay for extra time he did not mention he wanted. If you don;t do anything, then you are to blame and he cannot be expected to pay more...he thinks you are being generous with your time.

damned if you don't. I have a high respect for those gentlemen who 'pay' attention without me having to say anything. That to me is the definition of a gentleman here. Now, if I am enjoying our time tremendously and he takes it upon himself to make note of the time, then yes, I will say something (to his benefit). Otherwise, if he blatantly abuses my time (and I have had a few) that's the last I will see of him.  

Respect is a two way street here.

Ask if he wishes you to stay longer... In that case then additional compensation should be arranged upfront so all parties are happy and at ease..

People have extended a lot, but a lot have taken advantage. So I kind of do a thing that ensures he's happy, and I am happy. I communicate beforehand that I need to know how long he would like to spend with me, and that I need him to decide before we start our date because I don't extend last minute.  

It's not usually because I have someone lined up after him for work - it's usually because I have other shit I want to do and I have a life. (Believe that, right? I actually have friends, family, and errands.)

I put value on time for money and time for feelings. I think about overall life value and what will add value and fulfillment to my life and the lives of people around me. I also usually put a cushion in my time for interruptions, (I was taught that in time management at work,) so I can be respectful of another's time. I do not like being late for someone else because guy #1 didn't respect my time and money. I also don't like to rush. I also don't like to look irresponsible and immature. I hate it actually.

I definitely take heed to someone who says his intention is 'maybe I'll extend'. I know immediately there is a 90% chance he just wants to take advantage, or to view me for an hour first, pay for that, then decide. Sorry honey, a lot can be done in a couple hours and I'm not going to keep my entire night free just in case you extend. If he wants to see me for an hour to see if we connect, sure! totally. Then next time, if he liked me, he can then book more hours.  

The guys who book the extended dates never have to say they're considering it. They just do it. That is what I've seen and learned. Sure, there is a small percentage who are genuine, but in my books I don't see that pattern dominating the pattern of guys 'extending and distracting from the clock and also not paying.' I consider those guys as guys who don't take me seriously as a human being and they get docked points. I'll see them when my car payment and other bills are due. lol.  

I do not like going from one thing to another with no time in between. Drives me nuts lol. If someone extends and doesn't pay me, I will be upset with him. It really throws me off and a lot of guys use, "Let's play it by ear," to secretly extend without knowing they are going way over in time. I'm sure they know it's awkward to ask for money, especially with the "no clock watching" policies people put in place, and also the "too business like" complaints.

They usually never re book, always extend, and only pay for the first hour.  

It does happen, but I then are set to a time minimum I suggest for their needs to prevent my own loss in the future.

I'm still learning, but my policy right now so is no extensions so I can be in harmony with as many people as possible. I consider that a "time for feelings" category.

It's all how you think about things. I've felt a lot less stressed keeping track of things lately too. That helps me budget better so I'm not desperate, or 'hoping he will pay for this extended time too.'

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As has been said by other here.  Make sure at the beginning of the encounter that he knows your time limits, boundaries and policies for OT.  You have ultimate control because even though he's paying, it's your time.  If you are OK with extra time for a fee, don't just spring it on him.  Make sure he knows ahead of time and gently remind him within 10 minutes of the end of the session.  Personally I don't mind a clock watcher as long as she is discreet about it and not nagging every 5 minutes halfway thru the session.  I try to be cognizant of the time and will often ask a provider if she would like to extend a session for an additional fee if funds and my own schedule permits.  If she can't I don't push it, I realize I may not be her only client that day.  Now there have been a few times I have gone over but not intentionally and the provider didn't realize it either because we were both wrapped up in the session and enjoying it.  Tips were offered in those cases and politely refused.  To me, that speaks of good business because I was more likely to repeat with a gal who enjoyed what she did.  While I don't look for or ask for OTC time, I will gladly enjoy some if offered.

The Session Time with the girl I'm seeing is never ever been an issue. She never rushes me or watches the clock. She always makes sure I'm enjoying my Session with her. As far as OTC Time, I spend Time with her OTC. If you want to spend some OTC time with a Provider, just ask her out to Dinner after the Session. Or offer to drive her home.

when I drove for the escort service, the office always called when the hour was up.  The girls liked to do as much talking in the beginning to cut down on the " fun " time.

...Grocery Store where you can spend Your Money buying her Milk, Cereal and Diapers for her kids.  But make sure she shows you Photos of her kids to prove she has Kids.  Diapers can be expensive and you wouldn't want her returning them later in order to con you out of an extra $50.00 or more.  By showing you pics of her kids (two boys and a girl) you can be sure she's not scamming you.  She's so sweet she would never show you a fake picture.  It's also fun to try and see if they look like Your Provider or their Father (or neither, hmmm).

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Let me know it's time, but not in a "get the fuck out" way.  A simple "time really flew, next time you'll need to book longer" is fine and I'll get the hint.

If that doesn't work then ramp it up until he understands.  Just keep your voice calm and the focus clear on the time aspect.

In a few instances, I have noted that my time was almost up and she said, "stop looking at the clock," or similar words. At that point, she has made the call about who's responsible for the time.

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Ultimately we are responsible for the time.

I have an alarm on my phone that goes off 5 minutes after the appointment is supposed to be over. So, we may be listening to Amy Winehouse or Nina Simone, then all of a sudden Beastie Boys "What's the time? IT'S TIME TO GET ILL" comes on, then it's time to go.

I don't look at the clock because I don't want him to catch me looking at it, so the alarm is good.

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If she gives notice that she needs to leave ("Gotta run in a few minutes, baby.") so the guy can finish up physically and psychologically, and the guy asks her to stay for extra time, that's extra donation.
If she just hangs out and suddenly it's 90 minutes instead of 60 minutes, that's on her.  I've been in plenty of sessions where we were starting to go long, mentioned it to her and she said to forget about it and keep going.  That's just OTC time.

in my experience the most gfe ladies -

do not want you to wear a watch, don't have a visible clock in the room,  and don't even want you to be aware of the time as a client -

many have used a soundtrack that tells them how the session is progressing so that this is transparent to the client

time management - knowing how to move a session along - and knowing how to communicate about time -  is in my view primarily the provider's responsibility -

communication beforehand is important as well -  clearly establishing how long you are expected to stay, letting it be known that without prior arrangement you many not have the flexibility to extend the date,  and having a protocol that is clearly communicated for how a date is extended, for the extra rate and how it is handled....

I've seen providers specify for example that the donation is to be left in plain sight at the beginning of the appointment and the gent is to excuse himself to freshen up, during which time of course she verifies the donation and puts it away.  If the gent wants to extend and she has time,  then she will have a specific protocol for handling the extra donation.

Establishing the expectations and business protocol in advance,  and take responsibility for managing the flow of time during the appointment,  is a hallmark of all of the best providers I've had the privilege to meet...

now - another issue -    

in my experience most providers, including agencies,  don't want the client to be rushed,  and plan in some "extra" time for the amount you have scheduled, especially if you book dates longer than 1hr.    

and

many of us (clients) have had the experience of providers very willingly allow the time to extend a bit -    sometimes a lot.    For my typical 1.5 to 2hr dates,  being given an extra 15 to 30 minutes is not unusual at all, though if the setup is such that I am aware of the time I do not believe in taking advantage of the lady,   this kind of generosity seems to be frequently offered to good clients.  

and lastly  

I've fairly often had providers ask me after the round, what I was doing for the rest of the day or evening.  And if I was available, being asked whether I'd like to take her to dinner,  or to stay over.  If she asks I assume that she is not looking for extended compensation.  I've offered extra and had this been taken negatively.....    

so you have to realize that if you are an all business, by the book, by the clock provider, you may be dealing with some clients who are accustomed to a different experience.    

So it really comes back to clear communication and time management on your part as a businesswoman....

Then, you have to be assertive and tell the lady to start the fun.  As customer, we can be nice but were also entitled to receive what we pay for.  I always schedule 2hr session so its rarely a problem for me.   I can see how its a big problem for 1 hr session.   Just ask her nicely and if its still not working, better not see her again.

a lot of providers are apparently offering quite a lot of OTC time - it happens to me
with regularity and I have to believe that there is nothing particularly special about
me....

now I never *ask* - it is always at the initiative of the provider if it happens and if
I have time -

but the climate in the hobby in many markets is such that at least some clients are
becoming fairly accustomed to time extensions and OTC - because the providers
are offering it -

I don't believe in asking or taking this for granted -

but maybe you all should have a discussion on the PO board that is less focused
on blaming clients for this and more focused on how to communicate limits for those
who do not want to offer extended or OTC time -

these appear to be in the minority if my experience is a valid sampling.....

The OP is an independent who is trying to figure out how to "tactfully" not be taken advantage of.

There is a huge difference between being a BSU (Biggest Suck Up) candidate and having RESPECT for a woman's time.

I believe that both parties should be aware of the time, but that the ultimate obligation for "clock watching" is that of the woman. Personally as time starts to run out, if the woman seems oblivious to the clock I feel obligated to at least mention that the time is running short and that I suppose I should get ready to leave, secretly hoping of course that she will say "Don't worry about the clock, stay all day" lol But to simply say nothing and take it for granted that the session is going to go on all day without any further compensation is definitely an abuse of her good nature.

That said, this is our hobby and the woman's livelihood, so the ultimate responsibility belongs to her, but a decent guy won't take undue advantage unless she makes it clear she is enjoying herself and doesn't care about the clock.

It's on me to take care of the donation, almost immediately, I like to lay it down and then go take a quick shower. This does two things for the session, it gives her a degree of confidence that I'm freshly clean and gives her time, out of my view, to make certain that the donation is correct. This relaxes her, to an extent, and when I come out of the shower I get exactly what I came for. I know exactly how long the session is, after all I'm the one who booked it. So, if she's on time and I've booked a 2:00-4:00, I start getting dressed and ready to leave at 3:55, so that I don't overstay my bounds and I'm out the door at 4:00. She should not have to give hints, I'm an adult and I know how to tell time. I have to leave my house at 6:15 to get to work on time, and I manage to execute that task everyday, so why shouldn't I be able to leave a session on time. Now, if she's late, and I can't arrive (or she can't arrive) until 2:15, then I fully expect to be staying until 4:15. If this can't happen because of her schedule, then she should tell me that up front and before I go to the shower I'll adjust my envelope.

It's on you to make sure that I'm completely happy within your menu (which I've already studied), it's also on you to give me your undivided attention between 2:00 and 4:00. This means you should not be checking your phone or dealing with any other distractions.  

This is really a simple arrangement, and it truly bothers me that some guys don't have the decency to respect the arrangement.

But I have no issue refusing politely OTC if I am not into it. It actually amazes me how this is a problem with a lot of the ladies.  

I will ask again, is a bad review that scary that you can't speak up and communicate that you are busy etc.?  If it is, then ladies, you might have to think of something to be able to deal with this kind of thing.  

I have it solved and never have to worry about a bad review from some crabby trick who didn't get his free extra half hour or dinner OTC.

Why is it any harder to say no to free, than it is to say no to a 50% discount?

I am just amazed that the ladies are having trouble with this. I do not. Maybe it's the  Samurai sword I have at my in-call or the Doberman that sits quietly in the living room...nah just kidding on both

You Guys and some Gals seem to feel that being nice to a Provider is a major felony. My girl treats me very well. I just want to show her my appreciation by treating her nice. She's a Sweet Girl just trying to survive and pay her Bills. Sure I go overboard with helping her. So be it. I like treating girls nice. If that's a Bad thing on this Board, so what.

From the way you describe it, you barely pay her a hundred bucks an hour to rawdog her. That's hardly going overboard IMO.

If you want to be nice, why don't you try giving her a grand or two, no strings attached, just to be NICE. Then you make a case for how nice you are to her.

and I do consider that to be invasive and inappropriate  

all of the OTC time I have spent with providers has been at their specific invitation.....

But -

since some if not many providers seem to feel pretty free about inviting OTC time everyone has to realize that for some guys that is going to induce expectations  

I would bet that most of the guys "asking" for OTC (which again I find inappropriate)  are doing so because they have become accustomed to receiving it -

not to be unfair but the provider is the professional person in the equation -  I think that the onus for establishing and communicating boundaries and expectations needs to rest with the provider -

don't hold back or be afraid to hurt some client's feelings - if they ask and you don't want to be asked then say so -    

there is  *a ton* of blurring of boundaries going on in this sport -  I suspect that some if it has been a desire on the part of many to keep clients coming back in adverse economic circumstances -

I don't think that providers complaining about clients or guys bitching about providers is useful or constructive -

what it is is a lot of misdirected communication

establish boundaries and communicate them.....

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just last week a pretty young blonde agency gal was on top of me in CG in round 2 as our time was running out.....

I though we were close so I looked at my watch over her shoulder.....

she stopped and said:   "did you just look at your watch?"

I said -  yes, I was concerned about not overstaying the time

she said "give me the watch"  and took it off of my wrist

and she said "when I'm done with you, you'll know it...."

 
I guess it depends on the agencies but I have been rushed by agencies a lot less frequently than by indies......

It was his statement about the agency girls that he drove for trying to waste as much time before getting down to business that I took issue with

I definitely did not mean to lump all women that work for agencies into that category. If that was the impression I gave, I apologize. Like you, most of my experiences with agencies have been positive, especially the Asian agencies that we both seem to love.

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Thanks to all that said what need to be said... ;o)
Love this board.

I didn't have this issue back in 2000-2001. when I was doing the (massages only.)   Now back since 1997.  Interesting experience for me.  Now, I read the reviews.  Boy' do they make me laugh.  
Thanks for everyone for your honesty...
Love the honest and upfront people here.  

I'm going to bust a tit.  

You are in no way "nice" to that unfortunate (hopefully fictional) girl if you truly pay a fraction of her rate to stick your bare dick in her a few times a month when (according to YOU) she's desperate, has very little business, and struggles to feed her kids. You have managed to convince yourself that driving her to the grocery store once or twice and occasionally buying her a gallon of milk makes you some kind of hero. In actuality, you keep this girl in poverty by refusing to pay her standard rate, refusing to bring her any business by reviewing her (though at this point that'd probably have the opposite effect since you've further disrespected her by bragging about pressuring her into BBFS all over the internet), and likely causing irreparable damage to her health by sticking your dirty dick in her. You, my friend, are a predatory dick.  

I still have my doubts (and hopes) that this poor girl is entirely fictional. If not, holy shit.  

And he's delusional if he thinks she just bare backs him. IF this girl really is real, can you imagine what she would do for a few hours at her full rate?

Hmmmm...

Steph xoxo

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I think I am more shocked by ROGM than Tobi's scathing explanation....
Just wow....
Let us hope.... for this "girl"(s) sake, that this is not the truth of it...