I can jerk myself off, I can't massage my own back. Should I just find a LMT? When I want a massage I want a massage, If I want to get off, I'll hire a hooker

If you have insurance it may be cover. I get good ones from them. I even had workmens comp pay for then and pay me to get a massage.

so that you never have to bother a poor unsuspecting massage girl again.

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If what I want is a massage, and that's what she advertises, and that's what I'm paying for. and  all I get is a two bit message with a HJ. Something is a miss.

 
BTW you are a miserable person, which is kind of the theme around here lately.  

I'm use to it by now.

...Bang your back against a wall repeatedly.  Judging by your post, you've been doing it with your head for years so it should come easy for you.

I don't visit AMPS, so you don't need to think that's what/who I was referring to.

If you are referring to reviews, some of these ladies had glowing reviews indicating they give excellent massages.

My experiences have shown otherwise

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but it is not the easiest thing to find.  Once I do find them, I keep them.

I love massage about as much as the sex

... and others have had formal training or just have a knack for it.  It also depends what one is looking for in a massage from a provider: sensual, b2b, therapeutic.  A review may state the provider gave a great massage, but it was not the type of massage that someone else might be looking for.  That's where reading the Juicy Details for the provider's reviews can be a big help.  

My ATF is a long-time LMT and can give excellent therapeutic massages, if the client wants one.  But somehow we always seem to find other things to do.  I know a couple of massage therapists who give great deep tissue massage when I need one, plus I've found an AMP near my home where the ladies give a very good massage for only $60/hour + tip.  They don't go beyond massage, but that's fine as the cost is reasonable and they do great work.

Even to people not as smart as the average Asian, it's pretty obvious how stupid you are

of course belly button lint is smarter than FatVern, so I guess it's not saying much. lol

He is STUPID!!!

How else could he get "Asian" out of anything you said?

if you of course would trust my natural abilities to produce electro impulses

Other wise I just would use  a machine.  darsonval..google it - I LOVE it.  
Not many know how to use and that it does.  
I am a pro , as well as and cupping therapy.

That is Olympic champion treatment ..

That alone cost a lot of money.  

Yet of course we need all night for that.

What did you find to be so stupid about my post?

... or were you talking about the lazy ladies?

Something motivated you to post that image.

My post was pretty simple to understand, I'm looking for a massage, and get a lack luster massage, and a hand job. I'm not there for the hand job, but the message. I make the best of it, with out e a dick to the ladies... This happens more often than not.

 
Leaving me to believe that massage girls are lazy. My observation is stupid?  Ok!

Short notice not enough time or energy to fully appreciate the experience, sore back, and a tense neck what's a guy to do?

What ever you TL, what ever you say.

Go to an actual licensed masseuse. FBSM ladies are HJ and a body rub not a professional massage. Yes some can deliver professional level massages but it isn't what the majority of theit clients want. They are there for happy ending. Always go to a service provider thar specialize in the service you want. You don't go to taco stand to eat Chinese food.

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EOM

It's not a professional massage, but it can do the trick. The first few times the massage is on par, and the HJ is a bonus(but not what I'm there for). Then on the subsequent repeat visit/s the massage becomes subpar, followed by a HJ. This has happened with multiple ladies, hence my frustration.

 
Some even have good reviews

It must be you. I see FBSM ladies as often as FS/GFE types and the massage quality remains somewhat constant and often their offerings expand. My experience does not mirror yours.

It's because they are lazy.  

How much work is to massage a person's back, neck, and shoulders for less than an hour?  

 
That or you know, they want to go spend the money right away.

You said it was multiple ladies. That is a different can of worms. There is only one common denominator and that is you. You ether can't pick them or you make it so they don't care if you come back. Ether way it is you. I haven't had that problem. Ladies tend to maintain or increase services offered as a rule. It must be you.

It proves that he is not the most incomprehensible poster on the board, or even on the thread.

I think he still beats you out for sheer stupidity, but then again he posts a lot more than you do.

That had a couple of mediocre reviews from guys complaining that they expected a massage, but were surprised when she wanted to have sex.  My first question to her was "did you accidentally post in the wrong section?"

there are others who are or were LMTs but it's hard to know from the ads.  Around here, I can get a LMT for $60 last I checked.  A MP will be at least $60 but expect a tip besides...  Or a Physical Therapist...  I have had very good results from a PT when my back was messed up.   Some back things are best done by a chirpractor or an old school Ostepathic doctor (DO).

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They called me to come back. I think it's another common denominator TER doesn't like being discussed.

Youy dear still fitting rudiments of belonging to low status ... even you made it for yourself. I bet you are first generation of those who does somewhat well in life ? May be even some college ? What I doubt, actually.. you have so much insecrutites  .. Please read what physiology  states about such as you are :

"The sum of these findings can begin to explain the troubled circumstances of those lowest in status.  Ongoing efforts to maintain a positive view of oneself despite economic and social hardships can engage psychological defense mechanisms that are ultimately self-defeating.  Instead of ingratiating themselves to those around them – this is the successful strategy for status attainment - low-status individuals may be more prone to bullying and hostile behavior, especially when provoked.  Research identifying factors that lead to successful status-seeking provides some optimism, though.  Individuals capable of signaling their worth to others rather than being preoccupied with signaling their worth to themselves may be able to break the self-defeating cycle of low-status behavior."

It is why I am provoking people - I do see who they are and from which backgrounds they coming from and if it is any match . yes yes .. that would be bog surprise for you - but for most men and women satisfaction in the sex is in ability to connect on human level ..

Even if you  never got a formal education.and your intellect is just a common sense common sense  should open the door to instincts..  yet your instincts lost a compass..
You should be believe in God my dear - other wise natural selection would eliminate you if not yet - be sure you will have kids or you kind be gone .. may be for the good. Any way no need to hear anything
 from you -
 what I did notice long time about you - that is the fact that you call females who able to see you - Women and those who would not see you - those are hookers.  
 you are king among trolls  
Congrats .


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Still you.

It's not me, when I have limited choices due to scheduling, geographical issues.  

I also take into consideration that there are limited options available for this service.  

 

I'm going to look into a LMT.