A real date for me has to be gfe, involving bbj,kissing. Pse sometimes depending on the vibe.
What makes Providers go work for an agency? And why do hobbyist want to go to an agency?!
Since I'm a hobbyist I will attempt to answer the latter part of the q.
Agency usually has multiple providers working and also acts as an intermediary.
I think these two factors cover the main reasons.
First, if you trust an agency you trust all of their providers. So you don't have to worry if it's a scam or the woman is real.
You also don't have to schedule with each provider directly and go through verification process for each provider. Rather, you get in once and then all you have to do is just schedule.
I would guess from provider side, agency does most of the busy work for you, but really depends on which agency. This is just guesswork on my part. But they do scheduling, vetting etc on your behalf and may provide an incall too.
A ready supply of available ladies (period).
When you run into an issue with an independent provider (and, I have many times), you have to restart your search and jump through a whole new set of verification hoops.
When you use an agency, you jump through the hoops once, and then you can access an array of ladies. Now of course, there's always a chance that your favorite lady is not available when you would like to see her. But, the same is true with an independent. And, at least you have alternatives.
I was young & in College when I was introduced to outcall nude entertainment. To work for an agency you need a license from the police department. I had no clue how the market, or industry operated & had no idea you could be independent. After working for several agencies I realized I could own, and operate my own business. I opened my own adult entertainment company that consisted of male & female entertainment. I had ads in the yellow pages. I had an LLC. I was happy booking parties, and fun for my friends. I started in 2001. I was introduced to TER by a good friend in 2005. He wrote me my first review, but was banned, so the review was deleted. It took me several years to make the transition from an agency Escort to an Independent companion it’s totally different. Working for an agency GFE is not the business. As an independent provider you must provide an open menu that consists of GFE & PSE to be successful here on TER. When I started I provided everything covered. No BBBJ, no kissing, no GFE. Now, when I read my old reviews I laugh because I have grown tremendously as a provider over the last 2 decades.
but with the following statement, I think you destroyed your credibility, as it’s simply not true:
“As an independent provider you must provide an open menu that consists of GFE & PSE to be successful here on TER.”
I personally know many highly rated, successful providers who don’t offer both GFE and PSE. I can’t be the only monger with that experience.
Not to mention ...
"To work for an agency you need a license from the police department."
LMAO and SMH simultaneously.
I am simply sharing my experience working for & running my own escort agency in SD yes you need a permit. If f you work for a kgirl agency your in no need of obeying the law because it’s not the same as a legitimate escort agency. Link below ⬇️
Outcall nude entertainment licensing San Diego, CA
Interesting thanks. That's news to me but also seems directed at strip clubs. I personally would be shocked if any SD agencies with only online presence advertising escorts would actually comply with that law. Seems like a very dumb business decision - to announce to the police that you're running an illegal business.
How is it an illegal business if your a legitimate escort agency with all your entertainers carrying incall & outcall nude permits?
There is absolutely nothing illegal. What’s illegal is what is negotiated between 2 consenting adults. You have obviously never hired a real escort agency entertainer. Escort agencies have laws to abide.
Bia is correct. It is legal to hire an escort. In the state of Wisconsin the only city that requires an escort license is Milwaukee, there may be some others that I am not aware of. If you are running an escort agency and a license is required in the city you work then yes, it would be smart to get one, this would make your business legal. In the US you can legally hire an escort to spend time with you, dance for you, or do nude modeling; you can NOT legally offer an escort money for specific sex acts.
Bia can correct me if I am wrong, but a legal escort agency would then issue 1099 forms for tax purposes to the independent workers.
GFE is good enough to be successful. PSE is absolutely not necessary.
For what she wants to get paid for her time. Those need to be on the menu. She wants a higher rate per hour than a lot of independent escorts. Therefore, value has to be higher.
If she charged $300-400 per hour then sure. A small amount of GFE, good BBBj and covered FS would be fine. But when the rates get to 800 or over 1k.....
So you are insinuating that the providers charging $800 or more are providing BBFS and possibly anal. The reason being that Covered FS, kissing, BBJs along with well above average looks is not enough to garner those rates.
Think that is a real stretch but maybe that is what you expectation level is if and when you would pay that rate.
I disagree. Though I may be swayed to believe this in less populated locations. In Los Angeles, for example, $700, $800, and even $1k are rather normal for higher end providers. And, a number of them may offer PSE, but it’s often an up charge. And the ones who don’t offer it, they do fine if they are attractive and good providers.
Unfortunately, this isn’t a profession that treats aging well. The number of guys willing to see providers 40 or older does prevent a challenge if a provider relies on a bigger client base. They either need to be okay with less clients or offering something to entice them. I’m familiar with a few providers who still want/need the high volume, who are offering BBFS. They’re in their late 40s if not 50s.
If a provider plans well, they save when they are young and come up with other revenue sources, they should be fine. This allows them when they get older to be okay with a smaller number of clients. And smaller number is relative. At $800, for example, 10 clients a months is 8k. How much of that is reported and taxed impacts its true worth. Throw in some longer dates, gifts, etc… and she isn’t doing bad. Volume isn’t the only way to play in this business.
Replying to both of you. I've seen some of those higher cost providers. And most of them are younger, and very open to just about anything. Sure, there are some smoking hot girls wanting 1-2k and maybe see 1 or 2 people a month. And don't have regulars. Because, sure I'll shell that out maybe once to test the waters. But I'm not going to pay that consistently when I can get more for the same amount from someone just as hot.
In the end, it's her business. If she thinks she has to do this for the money. And she is fine with it, who cares?
In order to get a high score you need to offer kissing, BBBJ, FS, etc., so how can one be highly successful and rated on TER without offering GFE, or PSE?
Lmk. When I started here I only offered FBSM & BDSM. The highest score without offering GFE/PSE would be a 7, or 8 that’s not highly rated when the score is 10 as the highest. Being a 7, or 8 in my opinion is not highly rated, nor are you even eligible for the top 100 list here on TER.
If TER did not have this scoring system anyone could get a 10, but the guidelines if you read them are very specific. I don’t make the rules here. The majority of the people who are not offering full service are doing absolutely everything else, but & it is what it is. I am not sure how you think my credibility is in jeopardy after posting this fun fact.
I am the only provider who answered this thread because I have experienced both sides of the industry. You choose to become argumentative instead of responding to the OP’s original question. My question to you would be how can your providers be highly rated here on TER with their guidelines if they do not offer GFE/PSE? I am baffled. Please explain.
It seems you are using an antiquated definition of PSE. 20 years ago PSE was used to include BBBJ's and covered anal, but these eventually came to be normal service within GFE, so for the last five years or so, PSE has come to mean BBFS. (Anal is still a subject for confusion. I couldn't tell you if covered anal is still considered PSE, or if it has to be bare anal, because I don't take part in that service).
You should be able to tell from the comments of the male customers here that they are assuming you mean BBFS when you used the term PSE. I would take it to mean that, too, even though I was a customer back in the day when PSE meant BBBJ and DATY. If you did not mean to say you offer BBFS, perhaps you should rephrase your representation about offering PSE services? There is no need to get testy with other posters when your terminology is not clear. There are no extra points available for any bareback services, which is why your post is confusing.
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Thanks for the clarification. It reinforces my opinion that what you said above about both GFE & PSE being required to be successful on TER was a ridiculous statement.
And trying to change what you said to “GFE or PSE” (without saying you made a mistake earlier) doesn’t change my opinion of your original statement.
Looks like you need to keep track more of your "anonymous" accounts......
I do not agree with all the terminology. I don’t really care what the majority of clients here think because they’re not the ones who book me. I have never been a mainstream provider here on TER. It’s funny to me because when I was only a FBSM & BDSM provider I was told GFE was need here on TER to be a successful provider by many of the OG hobbyists. I enjoy the TER boards. I am here for shits & giggles. As a grown ass woman I can respectfully agree to disagree with many of you because you don’t know more, than me when it comes to this lifestyle. Argue with yourself it’s obviously fun to you. I’m off to enjoy life. Smile for me!
As has been discussed many times here, there are no fixed definitions for "GFE" and "PSE", however I would never think that PSE includes BBFS.
It does in the AAMP world, eom.
And in the KGirl realm.
I agree fully with you. Porn Star does not necessarily mean BBFS. Not to say it is not more likely if Porn Star advertised but would strongly believe that if you polled a random list of providers and asked if it meant BBFS is Porn Star Exp. The majority of them would not agree.
Think some here have an agenda of framing something out of something else.
there will be an upcharge.
P4P is a subjective venture.
My personal repertoire offers my paid Companionship for my time and presence only.
Anything more which may occur between two consenting adults such as "GFE", could be
deemed as Kissing, Dfk, Mutual-Touch, Fbsm, Massage, Hj, Mutual-0ral, ( covered or
uncovered, depending on preferences 
, aka.. Daty, Bjtc, and Coitus.
This may be vary from person to person, however, I believe this runs the gambit of most
scenarios, if it were to occur "between consenting parties".
"PSE" ( Ymmv ), equates to what I would deem as an experience akin to watching an
adult Porno.
However, my personal preference encompass N0NE of the following:
Bbfs, Cof, Greek, Fetish, Kink, nor Bdsm.
At one time I enjoyed "light Fetish and Bdsm", however it's no longer a desirous endeavor.
For any enjoyable rendezvous, be it "Civie" or P4P, I do know verbal or nonverbal communication
is the key ingredient for anyone!
Angelina Jones
intentionally, I think. If not intentional, you should read my post again. This isn’t about what services you offer, or not. This is about your stating that a provider can’t be successful on TER without offering GFE ***AND*** PSE. That’s what I’m saying was a ridiculous statement.
Now, go off and enjoy life for me!
A real date for me has to be gfe, involving bbj,kissing. Pse sometimes depending on the vibe.
I'm Angєℓina Jonєs, an "Independent" Model, Companion,
and Virtual-SW import from Spain.
Many years after University, and having a subsequent viable "daytime"
career in a different industry, I worked a European agency for two
weeks (just in the evenings).
Said "agency" encouraged Escorts to up-sell Clients for extra services, for
personal monies over-and-above the firm's cut.
Additionally I was informed to solicit "tips" for my outcall travel expenses
(car service or taxi).
It felt so "impersonal" as if I was performing a continual "Sales" job.
Furthermore, the "Bookers" would rarely allow for equanimity, a lengthy
shower/primping, nor ample travel-time between Clients.
(A thought to ponder for those whom currently utilize agencies or AMP's?)
In any given night, particularly Thursday - Sundays, entertaining five/six
gentlemen was de rigueur.
I found it exhausting and unfavorable to my sensibilities, though the income
was encouraging. (However, I admire those that can enjoy that hurried pace)
Thus, I ceased agency-affiliation, thereafter discreetly procuring my select
Clientele via wealthy friends.
Being classy, multi-lingual and highly-intelligent; the income was simply dazzling!
Exciting travel ensued with an introduction into an elite world unlike I ever
experienced!
I conducted my "Companion" business then, as I do currently, when my schedule
allows, accepting inquiries with the sole mind-set; "work smarter, not harder".
SW has always been "supplemental" to my "main" career.
I truly wish I'd discovered it in my late-teens during college instead of suffering
exhaustively through arduous, full-time work, whilst earning my degree!
Regarding the "screening" which agencies do for you....
TER has a "Whitelist" for Clients whereupon the "screening" is basically already
procured, save for an update on more current personal details; phone number,
email, physical description of oneself.
I have yet to meet any provider that accepts TER whitelists for screening.
There are some who list it as an option on their websites. Usually there is quantity and timeframe. So, you cannot show off your one whitelist from two years ago. But say you have five, and one was within the past year, that would likely pass through any of the providers who allow whitelist as an option. I saw one provider who only required two whitelists and that got me through without having to show anything else.
I have yet to meet any provider that accepts TER whitelists for screening.
I don't rely solely on "TER Whitelists" to perform due-diligence for efficacious
screening.
However, if a "Whitelist Provider", is known vis-a'-vis, then indeed, that's a
final verification.
If said "Whitelist" is a compilation of unbeknownst persons, then I proceed
with my thorough research.
I thereby request further updated referencing from additional Providers, whom
the potential Client has visited within a reasonable time-frame.
Additionally, I utilize other "private" means to further solidify my safety....which
is ALWAYS paramount!
Even though I'm in business to amplify my monies, if I cannot confidently verify
referrals of a potential Client, ( which is often 80% of my inquiries ) unfortunately
I must decline.
My preference is for solo practitioners.
But it's rare to find one that has the energy level and organization to do screening, booking, scheduling AND deliver consistent quality sessions.
And as Sir Rocket mentions, screening is a huge overhead and barrier to seeing providers. It's not enough to have *A* provider vouch for you, you need a provider of X ethnicity of Y age in Z price range vouch for you..
Rising rents for both apartments and hotel rooms destroyed independent incall provider markets in the SF Bay area. Many solo practitioners can't cover a $4k/month apartment or a $400/night hotel room and offer a compelling proposition vs agencies that are open 84 hours a week.
If I could feel confident in hosting outcall providers at my home, I'd do that, but too many bad experiences kiboshed that.
@chunking
Hello Sir,
As mentioned in your above post:
"It's rare to find one that has the energy level and organization to
do screening, booking, scheduling AND deliver consistent quality sessions".
Firstly, I find your statement curious, though I realize many have an
"Entertainment" budget which they must adhere to.
Any "reputable" Entertainer has a simple screening protocol.
Said "protocol" shouldn't have consequence on the level of excellence
in their service.
Perhaps you're seeking in a lower price-point which indeed, involves a
concerning lack of screening and safety.
Additionally, their lack of quality service tends to be somewhat "perfunctory",
with notable "up-selling", which is annoying at any tariff.
Secondly;
"Rising rents for both apartments and hotel rooms destroyed independent incall
provider markets in the SF Bay area. Many solo practitioners can't cover a $4k/month
apartment or a $400/night hotel room"
( I previously resided in Nob Hill, Pacific Heights, 0rinda, Lafayette and Walnut Creek;
all upscale, SF Bay areas with expensive rents back then ).
Indeed, San Diego ( where I reside currently) , has now surpassed the SF Bay Area
with regards to exorbitant costs for monthly rents, ( mortgages ) and hotel rooms.
In addition to costly rents here, I'll throw in the gouging of gas prices, restaurants,
groceries and essentials... because "hey, why not really stick-it-to-us"?!
Hotels have always been exorbitant in San Diego due to the supposed "warm sun, sand
and surf" ( though the sunshine has curiously been lacking this last year ( 2023-2024 ) ).
Depending on locality, a "nice" hotel room is minimum $400 and upwards, with a "posh",
upscale hotel room being $500++.
Solving your dilemma may be as simple as a post on the TER "IS0 Board" in your area
seeking "reputable" Providers in your price-range.
Additionally, read TER Reviews, utilizing the "Search", plugging in a price-range, if there
is one? ( Reviews are "subjective" thus ymmv ).
Further, I'd post in the "For Reviewers 0nly Board" inquiring of others ( again within your
budget ) as to whom they'd recommend for quality service and satisfaction ( though ymmv ).
Good Luck To You Sir.
Regards,
Angelina Jones
But it's rare to find one that has the energy level and organization to do screening, booking, scheduling AND deliver consistent quality sessions.
Most of the time you are not going to know. I have hired an assistant before and no one was the wiser. Kind of like when I tell gentlemen that most providers are married and/or have children. There is a lot that goes on in the background of this industry that most guys are clueless about.
Well sure, but if it's someone I am a regular with I kind of get a good idea.
But I concede your point.
I think you’re right, and not just about bookers and assistants, but some agencies as well.
Yesterday I saw an ad on here for a traveling provider. Her profile is under an agency profile so on here you know you’re dealing with an agency. But go look at her ads elsewhere or her tryst profile and there’s absolutely no indication there’s any agency involvement. I don’t know, maybe it’s just me but that seems shady. I wonder how much of that goes on.
Yes, sometimes after I know a lady well, it comes up that she has an SO and/or kids. It doesn’t really matter to me but they seem to think it’s better for business if that not be known.
I definitely believe in finding wonderful independent providers rather than use an agency. Much like I enjoy independent restaurants and hardly ever go to a chain restaurant.
I kinda thought bookers were masquerading as agencies..or is there a huge difference? Is the cut that much different? Do agencies tell you where to go, like it or leave it? Do bookers "help" you set your schedule? I'm sure they both screen, no?
Anyways, are we so sure that the Indie we just saw is really an Indie and not having her strings pulled by someone?
Here, look at the K-Org and C-Orgs, those are agencies, right? And guys flock there.
I never gave this much thought.....till now....Now I'm confused
Bookers/assistants work for YOU
YOU work for an agency (or brothel/massage parlor)
Completely different. If you have a booker you are still completely independent and work with whom you want, when you want. If you work for an agency you *may* have some autonomy as to when you work and who you see, but otherwise not independent.
Providers work for agencies like any other employer. They have rules and expectations when you are hired by them. Agencies will control all of your ads and expect a cut from any booking. You will have set days/hours you work, and days you get off. You may have sick time, vacation, and other benefits that come from working for an emploer.
Bookers work for the providers. They may do as much or as little as you want. If you want them just screening emails and texts, they can do just that. If you want them managing your ads, Twitter, booking hotels, booking flights, or anything else, they may do that too. Of course, not all bookers are built the same. Some won't offer all that you want. And some use the term booker, but may really be an agency, which is where confusion is created. I see this with Kgirl agencies. They call themselves bookers. But this is different IMO then how others use this term. This may be why a lot of providers call them assistants and not bookers. Less confusing.
As far as I am concerned.......Providers need to learn to advertise themselves if they want to make more money and have more freedom.