Now that backpage is no longer a viable option, I would like to know from all the gentlemen where they will look in the future? While all us girls are scrambling to figure out the best place to advertise and reach potential clients, I would love for you to tell us: How does this affect you and how will you find us to fulfill you needs? I would also like to hear from any of the girls with experience or opinions of other sites for advertising. Maybe this will help us all meet up in a common place
Personally it's not an issue. Honestly I can't remember the last time I hired a escort.
Start ups..run by women (still have to confirm if one of them is because I think i only looked at 2 of them) Right now they are only set up to showcase escorts' ad in Canadian cities but I'm sure if the need was there....
And I'm sure a temporary agreement could happen, like when Metallica didn't want their music on any sites like Napster (way back, now that's old school) and people only had to say, search for 'metalica' or 'meta llica' to find the music they were looking for (and to send a message to Metallica for denying them their music.)This is going to be a time-consuming project for awhile; I tour to many areas not served by Eros, and while some gentlemen in my destinations will look at that site's nearest city to them, most do not. BP was where I reached the most potential clients.
BOTH clients and providers will now be trying other venues to find one another, so what I'm going to do is take out ads on virtually every site I can. Then track 'em. Not just my web analytics, but also by asking new inquirers where they found me.I imagine the results will be changing wildly for awhile, as we all all struggle to find new hunting grounds.
On my list, but in no particular order: MyProviderGuide, CityVibe, Slixa, Girl-Directory, local-independent-escorts, and several boards/sites I can't mention here because they also host reviews. Plus, I'll even take on the headache of figuring out Date-Check to advertise my tour dates there.
This never held a candle to TER, but the ads were entertaining, allowed for unlimited fantasies, led to a few excellent meetings, and gave some ladies now well established a start.
It is estimated that smoking will kill 8 million people a year World Wide, how many people we killed last year by back page and similar listings?
I guess I will do what I have always done: rely on TER and once in a while count on personal intros or sites like Fet-Life
Just go to the search reviews section, put in the filters you want, hit enter and voila, there are all kind of profiles to read with reviews, and links to the gal's website so you can pursue those you are interested in.
What could be simpler
its "Women Seeking Men" dating page. There are several posts about this on the thread below. The more things change, the more they remain the same.
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but I have always been 99% TER and P411. Backpage has never been a source for me.
First of all, Google still works great as a search engine. I just typed in "escort Minnesota" and got 13 million hits. The first page included a hit for "Craigslist Girls":
http://craigslistgirls.com/usa/MN Okay, it isn't a big selection, and it isn't really Craigslist, but it's something, and there are plenty of other options if you just use Google. And years before this hobby went online, I was able to look up agencies in the yellow pages, under E for escort service.I also only use TER and P411 to find girls. BP was something I only went to when it was linked on a TER profile to try and see more pics before reaching out to someone.
I say good riddance. Between the robs, scams, B&S and LE stings using BP, I never understood why any hobbyists would want to waste their time there. Yes, there was an occasional diamond in the rough, but I'm not really the prospector-type. I prefer a proven track record. BP being gone isn't going to cost any ladies any lost revenue from me.
That and most men don't want a three hour date, that they booked two weeks out, or give a shit if the lady might want to spend a few moments OTC.
When your persona comes off as shill reviewer.
I'm not saying that you are, that's just my perception... and you are far from alone.
I have read everything that ppl have posted an I understand bp was a place for last minute appointments wants and ppl with know references but considering I've only be doing massage for 2 years now that where I started and met most of my clients MY BIGGIST CONCERN IS WHAT HAPPENS TO ALL MY INFO THEY HAVE .................
BP was a reasonable "source" for rural America. I by no way live in a redneck state, lol, but pickings in my area would be slim if I had to rely only on P411 and TER. A persona had to be careful, but there were good, decent providers who used BP and it was a good source in my area. It looks like some of the BP providers may move to Women for Men and massage on BP, but how long before those get shut down as well??
And, obviously no thought was given to the providers who were relying on today's BP advertising to pay their rent, room, etc. They've been totally cut off and left stranded. Imagine being a provider who is a 1000 miles from their home state who is staying at a hotel and had been paying their travel expenses . . . they are suddenly cut off from their income and how do they get back home . .By posting a review you are admitting that you paid to play and now that info is in some data base. Can they trace the posting back to you....why yes they can. Say you see someone and then write a review. The next day she is found dead. Guess who LE will now likely have a chat with.
but let us not forget that prostitution is a crime, that 's what the law is calling this past time.
Maybe the lesson should be, not to rely on an illegal enterprise in order to pay the rent. Just a thought.is not bad at all? What happens when they shut down Eros, p411 and TER?
about reviews? Reading them is not the same as writing them. Try a few yourself before you comment on someone else's. Otherwise, you have no credibility in judging what kind of review it is. I'm not fat, so I don't judge you, which is how it should be. I AM a unrepentant slut, so I can judge GaGambler. See how that works?
Aren't going to be giving out their screening info anytime soon.
Which leads me to ask a serious question. Are American rates too high? Considering non-US men believe rates should be as low as what they generally offer. I don't think they are always after a discount, it's just what they would normally pay.... Sex-bots?
Technology is not your friend, I tell ya.I have no idea whom you have reviewed. I base my assumption purely on the arrogance of your persona.
which are out of the country, and therefore, can not be subpoenaed?..
There's a more likely chance that her phone and computer will be gone over with a fine toothed comb, and you're name and number will turn up that way
Only $100,000 each from China.
Best investment I ever made.The thing I liked most about BP, is when someone posted something today, I knew they were ready. I don't normally plan things out more than a day in advance, so if I started at TER for a provider I was hoping to see, I would then see if they had an ad today or recently.
I guess now I will have to plan further in advance.
They might run off together.
For the millionth time, it does NOT matter where a girl advertises as it ONLY matters if she is verifiable.
The "robs, scams, B&S and LE stings" are on the GUY, not the girl bc HE didn't do HIS homework. I would do no more, or less, homework on a BP girl than an eros girl or one who only advertised here. I am skeptical of ALL of them at the start of my process and I go where the facts, my experience and my gut instinct tell me. Her being a BP girl plays no part if any of that. I have found numerous, hot girls that were excellent providers from BP over the years so it wasn't a "waste of time" for me and many others. There were MANY legit reasons to place an ad there. That's where many new people to the biz started and BP recommended to them by someone, or it fit their business model, or it was the only advertising vehicle in their market, or multiple other reasons. The "proven track record" comes from looking up girls reps here or on other review sites not from what advertising mall she choosesI mean after all, we assume what we do about you purely on the stupidity of your persona.
and while it is possible for a smart person to simply pretend to be stupid, it's virtually impossible for a stupid person to pretend to be smart, not convincingly at least. You have "tried" pretending to be smart a few times, but failed miserably at it. So I am convinced the FatVern we see here is most likely pretty damn close to whatever kind of loser you are IRL.
I don't believe people when they say they've never used BP, especially a whore monger.
It's not my fault cdl fits the shill profile.Canada will not offer much of a safe heaven, for U.S. citizens.
I don't think you will find a post anywhere where I said I NEVER used BP in my entire hobby history. I did a couple of times about eight years ago when I was seeing mostly indies, and it was nothing but trouble for me. B&S with fake photos each time. I have even posted in the past about these few experiences on other TER boards when guys were complaining about being taken for a ride by BP girls. I would never use them AGAIN. So when I say I don't use them, I don't, at least not for many years after a few bad experiences. I'm smart enough not to keep standing in the driveway after my foot has been run over a few times. Many guys that stay with BP for years either are incredibly lucky, have a lot of time to kill on research (which I don't), or are not that smart. I'm not saying which group you're in. Each member here can decide for themselves.
After calling you out for being judgmental, I'm not going to be judgmental about BP if I NEVER tried them. Connect the dots, Vern.Like there has never been a top tier TER lady, who has never ran a cash and dash on BP.
It's like the more you try to divide the profession, the more illegitimate it appears. Most people learn how to navigate around the BS, most of the time there isn't an ad I'd even consider pursuing on BP.
Her phone is blowing up with guys calling her.. she said she will raise her prices and verify better if someone is not on TER or 411.. I told her to be very careful and not to forget that there are bad people put there..
Her Mom was a street walker who was killed in 2001.. so she should understand the family business
if you have the time to do your homework on BP girls, then you will reduce the likelihood of being the one that is scammed, robbed, B&S'd or busted, but I just don't have time for that. I want to spend my time fucking, not researching so that I don't get taken. Many guys have a lot of time to kill because they only hobby a couple of times month. If they spend enough time checking out the providers, I agree they can cut their risk. I prefer to start with the odds a little more in my favor and reduce the research hours. If I don't get the lowest price in town as a result (which is why most guys go there in the first place), its okay, my time is worth more to me. My position is based on my own circumstances, and would apply to those similarly situated, i.e., high-volume hobbyists with not a lot of time to mess with research. For others, BP may be perfect.
It's also quite efficient and doesn't leave a carbon fingerprint
My ATF called me today and said her phone is blowing up with BP guys.. she doesn't know what to do.. EROS was her other venue.. she feels she will have to increase her verification process
There are scores of men on here including yourself who get laid because someone needs to pay their rent. You seem to hold the same view as many others that this is just some kind of part time job for us. It may be true for some but not all.
Especially people like you and me who are here frequently and know how to use the software?
10 seconds? 15? Not much research at all to cut the risk down to virtually none from a BP girl. Now finding out if she is the right fit, (menu, attraction, age, pm info, etc) is a different matter but for me, that research is the same for all girls. No one is forcing you to see BP girls but to suggest that there is somehow all this extra time in verifying they are not a B&S or LE, as opposed to a non BP girl, is pure bullshit. No clue how that would possibly take away from your "fucking time."for a self driving car.
If you get too close a fist with a middle finger sticks out, the horn goes off, and a voice bellows: If you can't drive it, pull it over and milk itWhere, pray tell, are they going to run their sting ads now
Her Mom was a street walker who was killed in 2001.. so she should understand the family business
Bottom line... she is looking forward to increasing her volume and income..
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other hand has you stating, in writing, that you fucked her. Now lets say that your luck has run out and the girl you reviewed was nice and tight but under age. Now you may be in real trouble. Just because the server is in another country does not mean LE can't download every bit of info on it. Ask HRC or our Office of Personnel Management.
In trying to look up the girls only to find out there IS NO TER profile. Where I live, there are few well-reviewed TER girls that advertise on BP. Most are TER, EROS and CV.
For many guys there are no providers listed for their area on TER, EROS, or CV.
If they were follow your approach they would simply be left standing there with their dick in their hand. It's one thing to state how YOU do it, and even how things work in your area, but to put others down without knowing what kind of options they have in cities you have never been to does come off being a bit condescending and "high horse'ish" if I can be permitted to coin a term. Personally I happen to agree with you and although I now live in one of those small cities with virtually zero TER reviewed hooker or any women at all advertising on EROS or CV, I still won't use BP to troll for providers for the very reason you cite, virtually none of them have reviews anywhere, not just TER. Fortunately I only live a couple of hours from Dallas and the Sugar Bowl fills in quite nicely in place of seeing hookers, although I still love seeing providers every time I get to Dallas.So there is a trade off for him!
Steph xoxo
Mr. Fisher, if I am an esteemed member of the constabulary, I am thinking cheepolist.com. or could I use the escortcafe.com. Those sites will begin to have more popularity as the mainstream sites are about to go down. Give it about 2 to 3 months that is where the popularity would be.
a little lower in the thread that for some guys, BP may be perfect. I recognize that not everyone is in the same circumstances with respect to the various factors that go into hobbying. For me, its a time-suck when most of the girls on BP in my area are not even on TER with a profile OR reviews.
Very few of those guys hobby if they hobby at all. The ones who get busted for prostitution get deported. I have seen that in news articles.
Some of the low end bp providers will end breaking into houses and doing shoplifting to survive imho. We could see armed robberies pick up. The poor will strike back big-time imho. They are going to very upset that bp is being taken away from them.
My point is, a source of income can disappeared over night, ad to it the element that source of income is illegal, and dependent on another party(BP) That there are a lot of factors beyond a person's control.
Even in the form of B&S, real chicks with real pics stand out, and you can usually spot a real ad with fake pics.
I wouldn't consider it time consuming, a waste of time perhaps.You would be correct in terms of BP shutting down...however where there's a will there's a way...No one will be stranded as long as they are smart about it.
Oh my God, Anarchy will be next.
Based simply on your reviews, shoplifting was already occurring as well as theft from the all you can eat buffet. Burglaries? Some of those fat ass you reviewed could not even fit through an open window. PS....they are calling for snow....not sky falling.As long as wrps07 is around they will get plenty of info.
Just some intel for all of us to be safe....
Everyone just needs to be careful and see those you trust. With everything going on (BP and agencies shutting down) the pork is still trying to get any of us any way they can.Recently I had a hard time seeing someone I already knew in the past. He was quite afraid to meet purely because he had been busted with his ATF at a hotel. The pork wouldn't leave til they gave up and came out. It wasn't about her not being safe and legit, nor was it about him... Another person at the hotel had called on them. The charges were dropped for some fines. I did finally see him and had a good time but the worry was there.
People are flowing onto BP to advertise under the dating section. The thing is, from a reliable source (actually 3), the vice are on a mission to get all the intel on all of us. They are coming after us. It's fucked up. I don't mind the ripoffs etc leaving this biz... but there are plenty of us that love what we do and go about it as an experience to last. We only want fun and nothing more. We are not out to harm anyone and this is no different than dating and spending money on her, paying her bills etc. It's not. The hobby is more to the point. No games, just something that matters for the time we have together.
I just want everyone to play safe and be aware of your surroundings. I only know that vice is collecting our info and am not even sure if BP is giving them access to our accounts. I do hope not. Lives could be ruined. I always felt the worst that could happen to me is getting outed. Well I got outed to family and friends last year by my own carelessness. Now I am over that hump and don't give a crap what the pork does. I wonder if they are trying to slam us for not paying all of our taxes? Be the best way to kill someone of us. They can't prove what we do behind closed doors. I can meet my friends all I want. We know to keep our mouth shut.
Do be careful in where you find the fun. Do be careful in where you advertise. I am glad TER is secure and not being messed with.
If we can hold on, this crap will pass. They can't bother us forever. It can be good after this is all done. It can get rid of the bad experiences and leave the hobby with us legit gals.
Just buckle up, it's going to be a bumpy ride.
Atms won't be running out of cash so quickly in hobby hotel districts. I won't have to wait in line waiting for a provider to make her daily deposit to the ATM.
A lot of ladies had already moved ads to "dating" sites like AdultFriendFinder and Easysex. Those sites, as dating sites, will be harder for LEO to shut down. On the other hand, it's a lot more dangerous for all of us searching for escorts since those sites require credit cards to join in order to connect with anyone.
The funny part (sort of) is that there is so much illegal activity going on at sites like Twitter and Facebook. I think it's unlikely the government will go after those sites.I don't believe a prosecutor would ever bring a case based on a review alone. It's like bringing the OJ case based solely on the glove fitting. They would have to prove the review was not a work of fiction. Nothing prevents someone from writing a fake review. I've seen providers claim reviews are fake. Maybe maybe not, but they're going to need more than the review to hope of getting it past the judge, let alone convincing the jury.
Typically they want you to plead out, so that's why they'll throw everything at you even though they know a lot of it won't be accepted in court
Where there's a will there's a way.
The government is always trying to dip their nose in everything.
But there's always ways around things.Fortunately for me my clientele reputation was of excellent standing,so I can only imagine things getting better for those of us with great reps..a lot of men are on the prowl
I would be just as cautious of Craigslist postings.That would be the most obvious first place to start tracking down girls/guus for .l.e
Personally for me back page defiantly earned a lot of income for me despite its shady characters. ..some sites that I have found to be of great assistance to me are
1)Ter (ladies might want to make sure reviews are current and try to stay on top of the boards)2)p411 (personally I don't get a lot of traffic with this site,NV have really but it's convient)
3)slixia 4)Eros (For the ladies I would caution spending a lot of money on this site.I use to spend on average $200wk on this site before I realized I could just invest in a small monthly ad and get just as much money, as there's not many selections on the site for NC so guys are more willing to browse all the way to the back and look at all there is to see.
The way I see it things business may end up going back to the club scenes.It's a lot safer for both parties to At least meet .
Your first post said: "good riddance. ... I never understood why any hobbyists would want to waste their time there." That was definitely high horse-ish, and that's why I called it. Now you are saying you do understand why some use it. It's just not for you. You could have said that in the first place. "I won't miss it because I don't use it." Would have come off a lot better than your first comment.
I wouldn't use it either if I was in LA. (Or NY, or LV, etc.) It's a different story here, or Boise, or Wichita, or Anchorage, or even a whole bunch of other cities in CA that are not named Los Angeles, San Diego, or San Francisco. Another tidbit that a lot of people don't realize is that some ladies that you would never find on BP in some cities, will definitely use it in other areas. In fact some of your precious Kgirls occasionally make it to Hawaii. Guess where you find their ads? (Well before yesterday anyway!) I will miss it, for a little while, but BP was never my main source, just one of several. Also, since I have been doing this since around 1982 when there was no such thing as BP, or TER, or even the Internet, I will survive, but I still lament the loss and would never say good riddance. One last thing: Even though many folks here hated BP, it is pretty silly to cheer it's loss. This whole government censorship thing is not a good thing. BP was nothing more than an advertising site. If the government can shut them down, they can shut down Eros, Cityvibe, and the rest of the ad malls. We are all in this thing and it is a sad day for this hobby whether you ever used BP or not.-- Modified on 1/10/2017 10:20:57 PM
To potential clients and network with other ladies. Maybe more people will move to use it as an advertising venue as well?
I didn't use BP very much but in some areas Eros and TER just don't cover at all so it was useful for a well worded advert or two.
It's so frustrating that genuine crime is unsolved while they're chasing consenting adults doing nothing to hurt anyone else.
Exactly. Two of my favorite providers travel and BP helped me know when they were close without having to contact them and risk discovery. Most of the other boards I looked at yesterday either didn't have simple search functions or covered broad areas. If anyone knows of a simple board similar to BP, I'd love to know.
Craigslist and men seeking women are difficult places to post. In a very rural setting there are two types of gentleman: 1) Those who have no clue about paid sites and the value of them and 2) Gentleman who vaguely know of the paid sites but the main site gone now was a quick and easy go to "git er done" kinda site. I tried to educate along the way about the safety and security of paid sites but this mostly fell on deaf ears.
I agree with an earlier post..the more things change the more they stay the same. I think everyone suffers from a reduction of venues. The dating/hook up community takes a blow from ads flying onto the men seeking women arena and well....it's a trickle down effect. While I didn't care for the amount of screening I needed to do from responses on this well known site that is now defunct I did receive steady inquiries and have met some terrific gentleman in the process.I only picked ladies from there as a last resort. While I did find a couple of keepers, my experiences were by far bad. No shows, bait and switch to downright ripoff. I use TER to check ladies out, but almost all of my appointments are made through p411.
can be tricky at times and blow with the wind.
Typically they want you to plead out, so that's why they'll throw everything at you even though they know a lot of it won't be accepted in court.
have shaped my attitude at how worthless BP was for me and my friends in SoCal. I am in a network of a few dozen long-time trusted hobby bro's that trade intel regularly, and to a man, no one in my group ever thought BP was worth the risk or the trouble to do research. Granted, if a guy is in Armpit, South Dakota, it might be his only option in staying away from the local sheep farms. Maybe I'm just a little spoiled from entering the hobby in the middle of hooker heaven. I appreciate your perspective. Food for thought.
And maybe your best. (outside of all the inside baseball shit you know about "everything" TER. lol)
Yes, I think I will keep you on in your present position. LOL Don't you feel lucky?
I very rarely used BP either but my concern is what's to stop the government from going after sites like TER and preferred 411.
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What concerns me though is what's to stop the government from going after sites like TER,Preferred 411 and others.
Her cost is in the $300 range.. She said a lot of the BP calls she is getting.. freak out when she tells them what she charges.. she had a few choice words for the BP calls she was getting..
I guess we won't be taken for granted anymore..I wondered about A Sexy Service fir a while now. It seems kinda wild so are the potential clients worth it? I'm looking for some new places to promote myself.
Steph xoxoI agree 110%. I hope these girls don't start finding their way onto this board!
I used backpage to browse but have never seen anyone with TER reviews to back their ad up (minimum 5 reviews).
I would love to see the fruits of your research! I'm sure a lot of us would.
Maybe a category could be setup on Pinterest.com You can find many sex related subjects on there.
Oh crap I just put 2 and 2 together. That is probably why hearing back from so many of the providers here on TER in my area has been difficult.
So true. I never put my # on bp but left it on Eros and now all I get are calls from guys with no references.
In certain markets, it was great for finding a milf or part-timer (or preferably a part-timer milf).
I would never, ever use it for a younger provider, they are 99.99% managed. And yes, BP is ok for experienced hobbyists only. But, read on.. What probably got BP in trouble, is probably the same deal that got RB in trouble-probably taking money from those KC pimps who run underage girls. I find it interesting that one of the prime movers behind getting BP shut down, Sen. Calire McCaskill, is from MO. The Feds have known for many years that KC is one of the meccas of child trafficking, yet only recently have started doing something about it. Shutting down a website won't stop the trafficking. Shutting down the pimps who traffic those girls, and Federal time isn't like state time, you serve at least 85% of the sentence guaranteed, will help stop it.This site has "paid" for reviews. Free days for a review. Incentive to write fake reviews. You can write all you want, it doesn't mean a thing unless you sign with your real/ verified signature. You will not go to jail based soley on a written review under a username.
and are therefore not subject to subpoena. Therefore a prosecutor would be challenged by the defense attorney to prove the basis of the site, which they would not be able to do.
However, when the servers are in the US, they can be subpoenaed, and convictions had. If I'm not mistaken, this occurred in Arizona with the Desert Divas case.