Mostly out of curiousity, has any hobbiest been successful at persuading a provider to perform a service that is normally off the menu? Such as BBBJ, CIM, COF, Greek.. Of course I'm talking about by means of charm, begging, or offering upcharges. Many hot providers do not offer all the services I prefer. I try my luck at them and ask for it during the session, but never in a pushy or pressuring ways. So far almost all providers refuse to change their offerings, even with extra offers. Perhaps I'm just an ugly fucker without any charms.

Providers, would you consider changing your mind on off-menu services depending on your mood? guy's charm? Upcharge?

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and like it . since you have reviews pm stp ( only throwing your name out cause he has reviews and is in your area) and perhaps youll get what your looking for .good luck old ugly fucker .  

Because as it turns out the ladies here really have no clue what they like, what they're comfortable with and what health risks they're willing to take. So of course I come in and figure all that out for them. And as for their postings, profiles and ads that state they have no interest in negotiations and that state clearly what activities they are willing to participate in,  well those are all like the Pirate Code--more like what you would call guidelines.  So as for me I will continue to disregard and disrespect each lady's stated menu because we all know how they love a little paternalistic condescension.

My, you are a real indignant and smug sun of a gun, aren't you?

Here's a couple of e's for you.

You're welcome  LOL

I guess sarcasm just is wasted on some folks.

Also...if you look to your left I think I see Javert  

Respecting boundaries is very important.

After knowing a gal for a considerable amount of time, it's not unusual for her to begin inquiring as to what kinds of unusual things might float my boat.  One a few occasions we have tried them out.  Sometimes she finds she likes it, and sometimes not.  It's kind of fun to explore.   COF is probably the most common thing that I would try out with a gal who otherwise would say no to that.

Then there are a few occasions when a gal wanted to do greek with me even though her profile says no to that.  That's one of the plusses of being a minus in that department

Um....I think it's called sarcasm....

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Why not just find ladies whose menu covers what you like, instead of trying to get others to change their menu?
Do you go into KFC and try to get them to give you a Big Mac?

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But when there is trust and a connection (someone I see often) I have no problem inquiring if there's any fantasies or things they may want to do to keep things spicy.

If you saw menu items and as soon as you got there she started trying to remove some of them using begging, charm or a reduction in cash?

In my experience, being a regular client might get you a little something extra.  Without you even mentioning it.
I realize that some guys don't repeat...  I respect that, but I prefer to have one or two regulars.  Mutual respect and trust (and pleasure!) is usually a by-product of repeated visits.  
Just my 2 Lira

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by some girls who have done things like CIM,Greek and DFK whose reviews did not reflect it. Not sure why but I do book extended time with girls and maybe that helps but in general I feel that I would rather a girl be comfortable with what she is doing and do what she does best.

If you have to convince someone to do something they don't really like doing, what are you gaining out of it? She is FOR SURE only doing it for the extra cash you had to fork up to get it. If I did not like doing bbbj and cim, I would not have had it on my menu. Now, money does talk so I did have one guy pay me 5k to take a shit on his dumb ass and another had me dress up like a chicken and hatch my eggs for him. Don't ask lol. When it comes to dumb and gross stuff, I will pretty much do anything for the right amount of cash, but unsafe and immoral acts (BBFS, Privates to Privates massage, incest, children, animals) there is no fkin way

Very odd question. I mean there are providers that don't offer Greek but 100% of the providers I know... or for that matter what probably is 80% of those I heard off offer the other 3 and 50% of them probably offer Greek.  

Most also offer LFK and many of those DFK as well. Am I missing something here or do I just live in another (better) world?

And a sure way to get a refusal.  Just sit back and let it happen, then be grateful.  And don't put it in a review, or you'll never get it again

Then you are good to go.  If not, suck it up buttercup and do your research next time.  Will a lady do more for you sometime if she feels like it? Perhaps, but by asking for something she has already specified is against her will, then you are just being a dick.

Or don't go and see providers whose menu doesn't include what you want

And then, once BCD's, you try your luck at asking for something you already know she doesn't offer. And you're not having much luck with this approach (despite your charm or offer of more money)? And, you've done this more than once, with same results?

Huh.

I have not read any other responses to this. But, SHIRLEY, someone has brought you back to reality.  

you'd turn me down????

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and lo and behold they are now offering a crunch wrap... Hmm... Hmm... Good...

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hot sauce lube would be very... umm...  stimulating.  LMAO

"If anyone asks me for something, it's the quickest way to get me to say no"... No mention of what is or isn't on the menu...  So EXCUSE ME for trying to add a little levity...

But no way I am smelling the steak that went in her last night...Yuk....

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It's a great way to kill the mood in a session, and also lose her trust. She will never comfortable with you...so your chances of getting ANYTHING off the menu, EVER, are pretty much shot. In fact, she might relegate you to some sort of "Only when broke" folder and/or just DNS you altogether.

This is exactly what providers DO NOT WANT. Just an example: I do not like being peed on. If someone wants to pee on me...I'd 1000 times rather that he contact someone else rather than even bring it up to me, ONCE, no matter how casually. Because the specter of being asked for such an activity again...would give me the willies.  

If the same client offered me an extra $100 or $1000 to do it...it would be even worse. It would somehow mean that he felt entitled to it...that even though I'd said no, he felt that he could pay me to do whatever he wanted. That he felt that he could BUY/OWN me. You'd never EVER get another date.

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If you want a service, book with a gal who offers it.  It's just dumb & insulting to ask for items which you know she's not comfortable with.  VIP is cheaper than even one spoiled date!

I would rather part on good terms than have her think I cannot read or do research. Better to sample off of a large menu than to try and order Souvlaki in a French place.

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From my limited experience:

Some providers list services that they provide routinely, but don't list services (like CIM) that may vary depending on how well they like or know the client.  First time visits usually get minimum menu, while repeats may get a bit of latitude and regulars might get more.  If Greek is off the menu, it usually stays off the menu.

I don't push at all for anything not cheerfully offered, but I might lightly ask if it's OK.  If not, no big deal and I usually try to crack a joke so they know it's no big deal.

I will drop his ass faster than a hot potato.

This is the first inherent red flag for a HABITUAL LINE STEPPER.
Someone who does not respect boundaries. Sorry, I know a few of you THINK "oh everything has it's price" or that you can just sweet talk us into some "dookie love" or some other off the menu item (*using greek as an example, purely b/c it is NOT on my own menu.)  
I don't do it, I don't like, matter of fact, tried it, and my partner wasn't gentle enough-
I will never go there again, civvie or pro.

Once we're past the point on you understanding it's not on the menu initially, if you ask.... BAM.

I will be the sexiest ghost you ever saw, because that's all I will be, a memory.
You would be..
Cut off.
Finished.
Finito.

If I seem pissy, it's because someone hasn't respected my boundaries.
Find someone who will cater to your wants, without the passive aggressive begging....

As Charlie Murphy said it best, "Keep it up, line stepper."

 

There have been providers who have told me no way to Greek or bondage.  I ask if I do a multiple hour appointment and sometimes they say yes. Others it takes years.  Others no way in hell will they try it. Another trick I use is to tell them their provider friend let me do it.

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The best answer to that would be the lady getting up, getting dressed, taking the envelop and telling you to dial up the provider friend and get her to do it.  

Why is it so hard for some guys to understand a one syllable, two letter word? Those guys must be stupid and ignorant.

wrps etc loves this trick, he just tells the lady he is with if he wants Greek, "your friend does it".  How would you handle this scenario? I ask because your replies make me laugh my ass off and I dare wrps etc to try that shit with you.

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That's what the search function on TER is for, lol  

It's really easy to find a provider that does what I like.  
Problem is, finding a girl who is on time on a consistent basis and not bat shit crazy.  

It would be useful and funny at the same time if there was a profile item that says "Bat Shit Crazy?"  or "On Time" with the option of "Always, Sometimes, Usually, Rarely, Never" and weigh the average score from all the guys who wrote a review for her. lmao

I have a small anal dildo I use with anal lube on the provider to introduce them to Greek.  Works pretty good they tell me it feels good. If the asshole opens I Greek her. Many ladies don't do Greek because bad first experience.

"another trick you use?". Jeepers dubya-Pee-ess-oh-seven. Do you really keep pushing on a non-available 'menu item', for years? I guess you can eventually wear a girl down until she finally says yes. But why would you want to?

"I finally talked her into (x), after years. She didn't seem to be into it much. But, hey, I got her to do it!"

WTF

No matter how many teeny little dildos you bring.  

Find a woman that does Greek and stop pestering those who don't.

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There is a chance she might like it as well. I cannot understand a guy who would push a lady to do something they really don't want to do, unless that is the turn on. It has to be a power play of sorts.  

I like those options, I concur

...er...pull out...when they're trying to convince a lesbian that the only reason she loves women is because she just hasn't fucked "him" yet.....lol...

...if you push hard enough.

I recall not too long ago someone using the term "trick ass trick." Yeah, that's this guy.

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So...you should be able to stuff any body part you want, in an orifice you want, with any degree of force you want? Because this is her JOB, and you need it your way?

You're taking advantage of someone in a vulnerable position.  

Aside from the physical discomfort that would cause the poor girl, the approach you describe is incredibly degrading. I've seen guys like you. And I'm sorry to say that being treated as such really rankles, it really hurts...you really don't forget it.

Do people actually think this is OK

I tried to see any joke in that but just can't.

You may as well suggest wsrp force his dick in some girls ass.  

Comments like this one give hobbyists a nasty name and now I see why some women avoid horrid men like you.

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Its a fucking business. I always ask though; never demand.
Anyone who's fucking offended bye a question of simple business need to take up another position where dogmatism is the standard.

I am asked frequently if we'd change "this" or "that". We usually don't but we HAVE made changes on occassion.

I don't do fast food, but I may have to see what that crap tastes like. It's breakfast item... yah, TB is now serving breakfast to make up those fixed costs bwahahaha.

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With certain things I definitely stick to my guns, but others not so much. A handsome, charming, generous gentleman can get me to bend the rules a little bit as long as it is not out of my comfort zone. It's all about how you ask!  

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I think if providers aren't consistent with their menu, things get messy and soon people start walking in and out doing whatever they want.

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But I'm a creep.  I'm a weirdo.  What the hell am I doing here? I don't belong here ~

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Yeah I find that being a boor and a jerk with the ladies really sets the mood.  Just like I love those ladies who tell me the fee quoted was just for showing up and everything else is extra.

or is that a "bitch ass punk"?

Someone please help me, I get confused easily

Why the word "no" is so fucking hard for you to understand is beyond me.  

And the more you behave like an entitled prick, the more we will say no, and the more we are likely to tell the next girl so she'll be ready to say no too. This is one of the fastest and surest ways to bring a shit time on yourself.

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Some guys go to the bank, get the envelope, go through screening, wait for a room number and STILL manage to block out the nature of p4p.  

They need desperately to feel special  and if they can get you to do something off menu then in their heads you and they share something different and unique. They are champions and that sneaking suspicion they had that they are different from other men, better with women smarter and craftier than their male counterparts is true.

Sad really.

What wrprs or whatever the fuck is doing is sickening. Not even morally just…Some guys see a human woman they want to get intimate with and others... evoke the image of a spoiled sticky fat fuck of a kid who has never heard the word no and jerks off while pulling wings off flies under a microscope.

DTL that borders on rape, and no matter how much time goes by every girl who read that won't forget it. My brain did a match click. DTL? Oh the rape guy. Synapsis formed, connection complete.  

The moment someone forcefully shoves my head he should know I have just decided our session is going to be a long one. Life long perhaps. How much time they give women who bite off penises? I'd make sure to chew and chew as fast and hard as I can so the hopes of it being sown back on are immediately squandered. Running nude in a hotel hallway, chomping on your dick blood running down my chin.
Instant youtube classic.
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The thing about being a sick fuck is you might be in the presence of someone who just stopped giving one.

Side Note:This is why we want ter handles.

Are conspicuously absent to this assholes comment? So they are either chicken shit punk ass bitches or they side with him. Funny, a hooker can say something nasty about the freaks she fucks and all hell breaks loose but this tool douchebag can pretty much forcibly orally copulate to the extent of blocking her airway and we hear crickets.  

If I were you ladies I would set up hidden cams and any asshole that tries a fraction of this you get it all on film and the prick goes to jail.

I have no words for slithering little nematodes like wsrp and DT_lover. They belong on some island filled with disease so they can forcibly fuck each other and catch something that makes their dicks rot off their bodies.

He says, " But your friend does greek."

My very simple answer, "Well call her then."  
Badump-bump.

Matter of fact, I will let you call her on my phone.
"Here ya go buddy, knock yourself out. Matter fact, it's unlimited minutes. Talk as long as you like."

Bottom line, working in a strip club, small town, we know who all the butt-sluts are (no disrespect meant, it's a general dirty-term we lovingly say in my crowd.)

Matter of fact my cad of an older brother loves a butt-slut. That's his thing.
But not mine.

No amount of little dildos, astro glide, wet platinum, etc etc is gig to make me WANT it.

 
Put the shoe on the other foot...
(I feel mannish in this respect...)

You want someone tampering with your duke hole?
(Please, it's rhetorical; refrain from answering. I'm honestly not interested in anus. Unless we're talking $$$$ and it's not MY anus.)

You feel me? LO

Guys, this is real. You have no idea what kind of sick shit pops in our mind when you act like this, and you never know when you're going to get the girl who has *really* decided to make sure you don't come back.

He begged and begged,pressed for months just like a bunch of you assholes, and finally after a big lunch at Taco Bell and a stellar tour, she said yes. Shit everywhere and locked him out of the bathroom. It's not always a good thing for you guys that it's illegal to kill you.

But go ahead. Keep risking it.

Good lord... some of us know the dude. Get crucial. For the record, just about 80 percent of you fks push our head in some form or fashion during a bj... should we kick you in the head? I threw up on a bloke once... it was hilarious and NOT an accident. Never touched my fkin head again.  

and I took dtl comment as a joke.  I wasn't paying much attention to his comment cuz no matter how hard I push it isn't going any deeper than an inch lol.  

As for hobbyist+truth saying she'll set up hidden cams,  that is a very big concern for guys especially those who wish to lay low. She's saying she's going to film every guy regardless of whether he's innocent or not.... Also a huge violation of privacy. I guess she was just upset at dtl but if she really meant it and really filming guys,  that's going to create problems

They didn't think so. Nope just punk ass bitches who either have done it or agree with pushing things to a limit that has pissed of three active hookers.  

We are not talking about a gentle head guide here, "rape guy" (not my term, I believe it was a hooker who didn't think this was funny who now sees him as this) was talking about forcing his dick from in her mouth right down her throat.

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And where did I say I was setting up hidden cams (NOT A HOOKER). I mentioned to the LADIES to set up hidden cams. How else are they going to prove some asshole assaulted them? Oh that's right they can give a hobby name, a hobby phone and a hobby email.  

Speculate all you want as to wether I am a female, a male, a hooker or a john, I don't care. None of you can prove shit so keep posting your "thoughts". I will deny all of them

If I did not know him, I would have responded in the same way they have, which is why I wanted everyone to know he is fkin around. As for a punk ass bitch... know one? Trust me... guys damn well should know when that line is crossed or they will know when half of their d*ck is still in her mouth when she brings up her head.

you sound like a girl though...  but if you're not providing it wouldn't matter to me anyway.

Otherwise you lost me...Or else you mean the normal thing where a woman offers something to you she only offers to the select good clients she feels comfortable with.  

Nah, My gut is you are familiar with vaginal washing.