As I sit here thinking random thoughts bored out of my mind, I wondered how our ancestors ever managed to have sex. We spend a lot of time on these boards bitching about bad hygiene, bad breath, untrimmed bushes, and every other bodily function that tends to ruin sessions. Are we TER people the exception? Are we so sophisticated that we're the only ones who must be pristinely clean to fuck each other? How did our ancestors ever get through the sex act during the middle ages bathing once a week in some stinky river that they drank from? How did cavemen deal with no TP and the horrible stench during fucking? For that matter, even today, how do civvies pick each other up at bars after work and have sex without showering since the morning? Do they skip all bathroom breaks during the day so they won''t stink later that night? Do they have a magical deodorant that makes their bodies smell amazing 12 hours after they've showered?

that explains it all in vivid detail.

As I was watching Anthony Bourdain: Parts Unknown on NETFLIX.  

For the rest of your inquiry I don't usually shit at work, unless I really need to go. I'm not sure why you need to take so many bathroom breaks.

Alcohol!

Doesn't have to be third world. I lived in Italy for a few years and the idea of showering everyday is shocking to Italians because they believe that the washing of the "essential oils" off every day is a sure way to get sick. Once a week is enough for a bath. Deodorant is not used at all. The smell of Italy is the one thing that I remember the most. Strong BO, not the minor whiff of "somebody needs a shower", but the strong BO of my eyes are burning and I think I'm going to throw up, is what I remember in the summer months. I remember thinking, "How can these people stand the stench long enough to fuck each other? There were kids everywhere, so apparently, the smell didn't bother them that much.

Just a few hundred years ago, bathing was extremely infrequent in even the most civilized countries. Women (and some men) wore perfumes to mask odors.  

Hold on a sec...did they have alcohol in the caveman days? Doubt it but I'm sure that's the way they got through it in the middle ages. Where's our drunk Asian, he could explain more.

and it wasn't just Italy. France wasn't much better either and all that body hair on women, geez... I guess there's a market for female body hair based on reviews I've read.

They kind of hurt but it'd work for me with enough pain killers.

The only European country I've been to and hobbied is Germany in their renowned FKK clubs...  

Pheromones are an incredible driving force picking up someone you're attracted to. The smell of the day wears better on some than others and I'm sure they think we "stink" also. I love the smell of a man it's a real turn on, but I would never think of a P4P wanting to smell you the rest of the day. So yes, wash yourself please and let the hunters do as they do!

If by pheromones, you're referring to that elusive natural body scent the opposite sex supposedly finds irresistable, why are they attractive in the civvie world but not in the P4P world? Is it because providers aren't attracted to clients so we stink by definition if we haven't showered in the last 30 minutes? By the same argument, if a guy picks up a woman in a bar and when they undress he finds she has BO, would he still do her? You bet! I can't imagine picking up a woman in a bar, taking her back to my place and then asking her to please shower before we fuck. You know what would happen? She'd slap me silly and leave insulted and very pissed off.

We're fanatical about hygiene in this country which is a good thing. This seems to make Americans think more highly of themselves because we're a cleaner society than the cultures in which our ancestors live. Based on the comments so far, I have to wonder if providers and clients in other cultures (not including Germany) are obsessed over hygiene during sex or even in their regular daily lives. Italy.. apparently not so I believe most Americans would dread having sex in Italy. I say this tongue in cheek because I'm sure this isn't true but let's pretend it is.

A use car will get you most places but why not take the ride in a new ram if you have the money. A new car every has to be perfect and many of the parts are inspected by some low life like me.

You must be the only guy on the planet who doesn't hit the urinals at least twice a day.

If I may ask, why can't you "politely" ask for provider to shower? I think I read something about asking providers to "shower with them" sort of as a wink wink. 95%+ of the time is no issue, but just once a while, we get a lady who could use some care down there. It sure is going to be very awkward, but not too overreaching in P4P relationship?

I drink a lot of water while at work.

is that you meet women at all.  

when you can't see a provider all you need is some Can fish make you fell like you eating vagina Fish some people say is brain food and is good for you.

Over the holiday I was watching the latest Planet of the Ape. So that's my inspiration!

Americans were originally  comprised of European invaders, known at the time for their aversion to water, due to their ignorant superstition that bathing would cause death.
  At the time of invasion everyone in America stunk like dead rotting skunks,  except American Natives.
  The original colonists were amazed at the cleanliness of the Savages.
   
  If you are proud of your bathing habits, give thanks to  American Natives killed by the stench and plagues of the invaders.  
   American  Natives, for the most part, viewed Europeans  as nasty smelling dogs of death.
 Since almost every Colonist stank like a gangrene  infection boiling over, handkerchiefs were  a necessary clothing article  for the few  that noticed  the smell.  
  I've heard whispered words behind  closed doors from  American Natives and Asians, wondering what causes the after bath smell coming from pale face. .  
 

I remember as a kid I used to eat the unnatural, half plastic peanut butter. As an adult I got into a health kick where I ate all natural fats, 100% natural peanut butter, (where the oil separated from the nuts and you had to stir it,) and crackers that tasted like card board, no extra salt or pepper, no sweets, no partially hydroginated crap, etc. I hated it at first, but over time I acquired a taste for it.

first one I pick up on streets had dirty legs and got mad when I ask her to shower second one try but. could not get the cake on mud off I gave up after that and use as is.

that is why you can pet a dog but not kiss a dog. dog do have dog breath.

I assume they work for some agency where they are sworn to secrecy.

The only hookers I ever saw in Italy were from Africa and they worked in old lots just off the highway. The Italians would cover all the windows of their car with newspaper and park in empty lots with the provider of their choice. I think the newspapers were for privacy, but I'm sure they helped keep the "funk" in the car longer.

but they offered to do so, I never asked them to. Should I have asked in those few cases? Yes, absolutely, but I was afraid it would ruin the session by the implicit insult. The reality is that first-time sessions are awkward enough and the provider doesn't know the client so the mere suggestion that she smells would likely ruin the session. Not that those sessions were anything to write home about - none of them were reviewed for obvious reasons.

Thanks for the reply. That double standard makes sense. Especially since money is exchanged in the start of the session, everything is left for the mercy of the provider.  

You asked why I needed so many bathroom breaks. First off, I wasn't talking about myself, you made it about my behavior. Second, I drink a lot of water and it comes out at least twice a day. If you can hold all that water in for an entire day, good for you. At my age, the bladder needs emptying more than once a day, hence the need for multiple bathroom breaks.

Of any position, that position will give you a real good whiff of anything not right down there. Somehow, our ancestors were able to get past it and they were doing it for other reasons than procreation. Men don't have sex to make babies, that's the last thing on our minds, lol.

Since I seldom feel any communality with most people, I might not have it. Or maybe my olfactory senses are impaired to the point where I don't pick up on the human scent. Hard to tell which. It must be the latter, because some very odd people have approached me from time to to time, each certain that s/he has something basic in common with me. Usually I am only annoyed and feel imposed on by an urgency to quickly find a polite and civilized way to escape their persistent effort to become my friend.

but I knew there were good points coming across somewhere in your novel. You made one point another lady made - you liked the scent of your boyfriend without deodorant. So there's one kicker, the attraction you had to that boyfriend allowed you to smell his armpit order as pleasant when it wouldn't be for other women in today's society. So the attraction theory makes sense, if a woman is attracted to a man, she smells his pheromones rather than his underarm BO. For providers, they smell armpit odor no matter what the guy looks like because they're not already attracted to him or in love with him.

the rules follow evolution. If you have never experienced it you wouldn't know different. So if no one used a toothbrush, it wouldn't bother anyone because that is what is expected. However, this hobby is probably how better hygiene came to be...lol

Let me buy you a drink ma'lady..  

Lol that's nasty. Since it isn't our culture to stink like poo, unless previously discussed, people can't leave shit on their asshole before sex lol.  

then measure the urine that general how much you can drink before you need to pee less than 10 oz need help. 20 oz ok 32 oz better 40 pritty good 72 plus it huge very good.

If I were going on a civie date, I would expect both of us to shower thoroughly before the date. But if we get busy after the date, it's not really a big deal. People pee and if I were to tell him that before we go any further I need to wash because I peed, I think he would think I'm crazy. Same thing goes for one night stands...before you go out to a bar/club, you're going to take a shower and look and smell your best...otherwise, I don't think anyone would want to take you home.
On p4p dinner dates and multi-hour dates, if I have to go to the bathroom at any point, I always tell the guy to excuse me for a couple minutes so I can wash after.  In this type of setting it's appreciated instead of seen as crazy lol.  It's more important to be extremely clean as an escort, because I am essentially a product. He's paying for me, so I need to be as perfect as I can be (meaning look, smell my best, be in a good mood, good skills, etc).
 

While the holes all look the same, one is generally much better groomed. The clientle is a bit different with a few notable exceptions as there are always a few Rodney Dangerfields.  The cost of entry is different and you are made to feel like a king when you're at a club, but in the end either way, you still have to go home and take out the garbage so while belonging to a club doesn't make you a different person, you can at least enjoy feeling that way for a little while.   And that is not to say that there are not some outstanding public courses as there certainly are, but it's often hit or miss, they still cost a pretty penny esp if you want extras, and the club is much more of a sure thing.

sorry, cheap shot... but I'm still not sure I'm wrong

and I had never been put through my grooming paces by a woman pre-sex before her.  I guess my approach prior to meeting her was a bit more on the Italian side (or the caveman side).  To be honest it took a lot of the spontaneity out of it when we first started dating but she was a sexual dynamo so I figured what the hell.  And once we started living together I adapted and ended up getting clean when I got home from work as that seemed to be good enough when we'd share a glass of wine and I could more often than not convince her that dinner could wait.   Long ago in a galaxy far far away.

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the average American household spends about $600 per year on personal care products, which is about the same as spending on alcoholic beverages. This is also 600% more than is spent on books and reading material. So your chances of meeting a girl who is drunk, stupid yet fresh as a summer’s breeze have never been better.

Why do think France has all those perfumes

of feminine hygiene sprays. Advertisers had to gingerly convince women that they needed something that they had never needed before.

Back in the 70’s there was a shampoo brand called “Gee Your Hair Smells Terrific.” They recently re-launched the brand and it is back on the shelf. With that name, they probably shouldn’t introduce a line of feminine hygiene products.

this guy scored a bunch.  Sadly, it was only with squeaky-clean goo-goos like this one.  Give me a naughty girl any day.  So long as she's "fresh down there.

That spot was actually a lesbianic feminist propaganda ad.

dude , every man needs companionship from a woman once in awhile without the bullshit involved . look at the x mas thread below , we have to pay our SO , something wrong with the way women think ..!!  

Positively something wrong with the way women think.  They think they need to be incentivized materially to put out.

money to it then putting out instead of giving themselves if the feeling are there and truly enjoying the moment . and honestly what guy is truly in love with his woman if hes paying for it ..furthermore dropping a donation and being with a woman is in many was more romantic as the donation isn't spoken about . this really is a fucked up situation yet one that all men encounter .  

Nope, I put out for free also... if you pass the sniff test. For everything else, there's alcohol!  

P4P, whether it be escorting or porn, seems to be the cleanest way to have sex these days. Maybe we're very aware of it because we do it a lot more than others in civvie life. We set a higher bar as a result, at least here in America. I can't speak for the rest of the world and from what I read here, I don't think I'd ever hobby in another country, lol. Well, other than Canada, Germany, UK, Australia...help me out here, what other clean countries are there?

Sounds like a great product for dogs and cats

LOL, sounds like a quick clean-up. For the ladies, a little splash of Summer's Eve and we're ready to roll.

BBQ Rib
Jalapeno
Tuna Salad
Philly Cheese Steak
Everything Pizza
Belgian Stout
Buffalo Wing
Chocolat

Which must be incentive enough to ignore the smell

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