If a provider charges $2,000.00 for a four hour date in a major city and you take her to a Sporting Event, Broadway Show, or Concert and dinner without sex is that two much money? Should you get a discount for this type of date since no sex is taking place?

I want to know what you think.

Me personally I will see a provider for the hot sex. I will do a sex marathon for that price not a social event or something fun as I don't see the value in this experience.  

I can take my sister or anyone else to the game. I thought giving the provider an opportunity to do something fun if she doesn't have other dates would be something they want to experience.

What do I know I am an opinionated 32 year old.

Let's discuss.

I only pay a provider for her time, it's just that I'm such a sexy hunk that they always want to blow me and fuck me for two hours. It's good to be me, just ask me, I'll tell you.

So seriously, if her ad says 2000/4 hours and I want to spend that time with her at a sporting event/show/concert, then that's my choice, it's still 2000.

This really is a simple arrangement.

don't get me wrong she should get paid a fair rate but I just feel it's a lot of money when you add tickets dinner for a no sex night.  

Some people think that spending a couple of hundred bucks on a hooker for sex makes you out of your mind, other people drop thousands at a strip club and don't get so much as a kiss. It's all relative.

Now if you are asking if I would give some hooker two grand just to hang out with me, the answer is a resounding FUCK NO!!!, but I have never made a pretense of paying for "time and companionship" I pay for NSA sex with hot women, not hundreds or thousands of dollars for a dinner companion or someone to share an event with. Speaking strictly for myself and not trying to denigrate those who think it's fine to do so, but the price I would be willing to pay a woman to share a non sexual date is "Zero dollars per hour" I simply don't need company that badly

Now that said, why does it bother you so much if the price seems unfair to you? You live in a city with thousands of hookers to choose from, if some ask for ridiculous rates, simply pass them by and choose someone not so "out there" with her pricing.

But to each their own. It is up to each provider to choose what her time is worth, whether it is steamy sex, or social time. If a provider is busy enough to keep her dance card full, why should she spend time at a lower price, just because someone doesn't want to spend that time in the sack. It's your choice how you choose to spend your date/money. If others wish to spend their time/money in that fashion, who are you to judge?

I totally agree.  

I know you are smart enough to know I am taking about the other thread as in sex less date.  

Someone made the comment that a discount should be made and a provider said absolutely not.

 

Do I think that's too much money? Yes  
Do I think you should you get a discount? Yes you should, but it's not up to me, it's up to the escort.

That being said, you're probably going to get nowhere trying to bargain with the cost of an escort's time. Just take someone else to said sporting event. Hell, if you got tickets to a sporting event in DC, let me know, I'll go with you. My rate is only $50 an hour.

to a sporting event, broadway show or concert and dinner? Nope...not interested. But if you paid me, I'd smile and enjoy it!

I personally take those $2,000 and divide then into $300(per hour) and the result is 6 sessions at $300 and still have 200 left t. eat a dozen of oysters before each session,

Finally I agree with you 100%,you see  very soon we will be friends! lol

Do I find that weird?  Fuck yeah, but it's their choice.  Why do you care?

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Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on this.  

I do know one provider out of Pittsburgh with a rate for behind closed doors and a lower rate for not behind closed doors. I have absolutely no interest in the latter.

What's her regular rate? If she has a 1k/hr rate, 500/hr is a discounted rate. A sexless date at that price sounds dumb, but who cares if others have that and spend it?

Make that 800 ... got a JDU pirate cd. ... lol.  
Where are we going?

The provider sets the rate, you/we pay or not.
You know all this. Price is a simply a matter of
 interest and bank account.  

I know where I'm investing my money. I'd fly to
somewhere warm to see someone for a fantasy  
date or stay local with the A team  

FL, NC, Windy City, NYC,  Vegas. My current
points of interest.In that order. Maybe ...

I always thought you were my friend.

and report back lol. I can almost guarantee on average your take and his are from two totally different sides of the planet.  

I can also guarantee you'd be simply amazed what guys drop for what.  

G

Agree 100%

Tell you what you make it to NY I'll bring you as my VIP guest.  

I have been told i am president of the TER Under 35 Board. Does that count for something?

Making discussion tonight when I saw things written on a different thread which I didn't agree with.  

Whether "it's reasonable" to think something about what the right rate is depends on each client and each provider.  

I personally would not pay for the date in question, but that's my preference. Alot of guys pay for a lot of things that I would not pay for and I am sure I would pay for some things that others would not.   not trying to be difficult, just trying to say, it is all in the eyes of the beholder

here's what i think.  learn how to spell.  it's TOO much money, not TWO much money.  for a 32 year old it should be embarrassing to not know fifth grade spelling.

but in answer to your question, no it's not too much money if she can get away with it.  of course i think a guy who pays a gal $2000 and doesn't get laid is a moron.  but that's on him, not her.

as i said in the other thread that obviously inspired this poorly-spelled question, it's up to the customer to lay down the parameters of the date before hand. i have had dinner dates with providers; i make sure we are both on the same page vis-a-vis price, time spent at dinner, time spent at  for sexy fun time.

if i saw on a provider's site that she charged $2000 for 4 hours of public/non-private time, yes, that's too much and i would move on to find someone who didn't charge outrageous prices.

but so what.  maybe there are nitwits out there that love to get taken advantage of.  maybe there are billionaires that have no problem dropping 2 grand just for arm candy.  personally i am not so messed up that i couldn't get great looking arm candy simply for a date.  what i want is great looking arm candy that does incredibly nasty things afterwords and makes me feel like i'm the best lay in the world.  for that, i'll lay down...well, not actually 2 grand, i can get it much cheaper from my atf's.

in summary, ladies and gentleman of the general discussion board, i think it's not only sensible but good business to offer a lower rate for public time.  but as the free market dictates, whatever traffic will allow.  if a chick can get that kind of scratch just for looking good, more power to her.  she'll never have the pleasure of my company, but i'm guessing that won't bother her too much.

(ps sorry about the two/too rant, but that's something so simple everyone should know it.  kinda a grammar nazi here, mea culpa).

I get it and meant no disrespect. I just wanted to hear what people had to say on this matter. I know your right I'm 70 and a widower I want someone to spend time with. I don't have that mindset today. Enjoy your night.

Z

Personally, I wouldn't pay that kind of money for a social date (but then I would never pay that kind of money for a sex date either). If a provider can get that, good for her, and more power to her, and if a guy wants to pay that, it is his money and his time, so I try not to judge. All we can do is decide what's important to us, and how much we can afford to spend on those things that are important to us. What someone else chooses to do with his money is irrelevant. (Unless he chooses to give that money to me! )  

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Save your money!  The Oval Office is not worth paying to see.  (Though a night with you at the Hay Adams might be worth the trip!)  

You still don't get it love and that's ok. When you're twice your age...64...you will.  

Just understand, respect and don't question that there are plenty of very well off gentlemen who drop a ton of coin in this world of companionship and don't expect to get laid once. Yes. That's a reality. And another BIG reality...it happens at YOUR age too. You'd shudder to think

To each his own here. There is no right or wrong if you value where your money goes.

G

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And they are less than a BCD date.  I personally love to have extended dates with some social time included and then back for romance. Some guys like a package date that includes  both.  If a date is longer than 2 hrs there has to be some out and about time for me. BTW my four hour date is less than that by $850 and I don't have a stop watch going so who knows!

Steph xoxo

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You have replied to almost every response in your thread!  I bet this has never happened before! Keep it up!

My answer from the thread below:

https://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=828905&boardID=12&page=1#828905

The answer to this one is pretty obvious. If I go to a shopping mall and offer women 500 bucks to fuck me, I'm not likely to get any positive responses. Therefore fuck time is worth the money.
 
If I ask enough women to dinner at a fine restaurant eventually one will take me up on it. I will not have to pay for her time. Personally I don't understand why any guy would pay for non-sex company.

..name your price...it will be worth the trip for sure, a night to remember!!
Passionately,
Frederica

... We would probably just wind up having sex  

under the bleachers
in a restroom stall
out in the back alley
behind a well-placed curtain
in a broom closet
at the greek isles
in an elevator
in the parking lot

And just about any number of other places either of us could think of.  

Because you just naughty that way, girl.

.....a sexual romp. But I would never begrudge anyone who does.

Perhaps you should take the time to book her for a regualr incall or even a series and get to know her.  Some ladies do go down on the donation for time out on longer dates.  Otherwise what she posts is what she intends to collect for her time together.

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I do frequent consulting. I charge per hour and per day (no discount 1 day is 10 hours.)
If my client sends me junk to review for a meeting I review it, if there are a series of  meetings that are cumulatively a waste of time because they have arranged meaningless presentations despite my advice on what would be most productive, I still charge the same amount for my time.  If they fly me to a conference in a great resort to speak to their top executives and I have a lovely room, get to use the beautiful pool, and am invited to wonderful meals, I still charge the same for my time as if I spent the whole time locked in a room in Northern Minnesota in the middle of the winter.    
If I were an attractive provider and people were paying for my time, I would do the same thing. I would charge for time no matter how much I enjoyed the Super Bowl

Some ladies charge separate rates for social time. I don't now, although I have done so in the past. It just wouldn't work for me. Here's why.  

At certain (slow) times, I might be willing to give a guy a special social-only rate IF things had been on the slow side, and IF I had nothing else going on. And especially IF the guy didn't seem like a pain in the ass. If any of the aforementioned did not apply, I would expect full rate...otherwise, it wouldn't be worth it for me to spend an *entire evening* and a lot of energy on somebody for a very small amount of $$.

I had a month w/very little down time. Here's a synopsis of the just this past week:  

Monday: Nothing

Tuesday: Work out, pack, start drive to XXXX city, get hair/nails done, drive rest of way, gulp down a very quick small meal, meet regular for 2 hours (he overstayed and threw my whole schedule off and made me late for class - also ensured that I'd have no time to eat dinner), drive to class in other city (RUSH RUSH RUSH), drive to evening date in NYC (RUSH RUSH RUSH), see regular for 2 hours. Drive to hotel, check into hotel.  

Wednesday: Early AM exercise (yawn!). 2-hour date at hotel w/regular, then immediately drive down to DC for a 6-8 hour w/client I've seen once before (RUSH RUSH RUSH). Check engine light goes on in car, get it checked out on the way (luckily, was not an urgent issue - a malfunctioning sensor or some such thing). Arrive to DC on time, but obviously feeling a bit rushed and stressed. Spend entire afternoon/evening w/client (who put the bottle of wine I'd brought as a gift in the fridge and never took it out except to give it back as I was leaving...wtf?? Seriously, I coulda used a glass...). Drive to a point midway between DC and my NEXT date, checked into hotel (dead tired).

Thursday: Had planned to visit a local attraction in the AM, but decided to leave due to my car. I really wanted to leave plenty of time to get to my NEXT 6-8 hour date, just in case there was an issue. Got to XXX city, went for exercise, found wifi, did some work, did some classwork, ate lunch, got my hair done, met new client. Stayed w/him 'till 3AM. Got home at 4:30 AM.  

P.S. I got a few appointment requests for that night - I forget how many. I think 3. Had to reply to them all, screen them all just in case they wanted to meet another time...

Friday: Had class all day. Also got a few (I think 3 or 5) serious appointment requests. I was not available. I needed a break.

Saturday: Caught up on sleep/work/exercise. Did classwork. No appointment requests. Whew.

Sunday: Did work and classwork, had some family time. Got a last-minute request but did not take it - it was too far away for me to make it in the time frame specified. Besides, the guy sounded like a dick.  

OK, so that's an unusual week for me. But imagine that you come to me on Sunday, asking me to drive to NYC, and do an entire evening w/u for probably close to what my 90 minute rate would be. It wouldn't be worth it. I'd give you the same answer this girl did. Pay my full rate, and I'll do it. That's the only way it's worth it to me, to come to NYC and spend all that time w/u. If not...talk to 'ya later.  

Providers have a lot of people pulling them in all directions - guys want dates, "let's meet for a drink first," emails, texts, pics, want to discuss upcoming dates. We have to craft warm, friendly replies, deflect constant OTC requests/manipulation, screen, schedule, and take care of our ads/sites/supplies/appearances. We have personal lives, other work, classes, exercise, and whatever else we want to make time for. It gets exhausting, even when a week is balanced and normal.

So in sum - if $2k is what she feels that her time is worth for 4 hours...then that's what makes it worth it TO HER to spend that amount of time with you. You don't know what else she has going on, so quit b****ing. Find someone w/the time and inclination to give you a rate for social time only.

For all of the reasons above and more, I've recently refused a get-to-know-you lunch meeting even though the guy offered to pay a token amount. He seemed just as flummoxed as you are.  

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While I have never considered spending money on a purely social (ie. no behind closed doors time) date, your post here is enough to make me think you might be worth it.  Well written, well thought out, and to the point. If you are as articulate and engaging in person, you would be an impressive companion for a night on the town.

Thanks for a rare bit of clarity on these otherwise muddled exchanges.

We are friends,I was referring to the other guy.

....whats dinner without a little naughty...even before desert?....

But the tricky part is making it known since LEgally my compensation is for my time and it's hard to make that  distinction very clear - but yeah, I think it's understood for many of us that it would be a SIGNIF. discount

and spot-on.  

Additionally, whether I'm meeting someone for an hour or 4 hours, my prep is the same. I charge for my time and what we choose to do with that time is for us to decide together.  

And my time is my time: the most precious commodity I have. If I'm going to spend it doing anything, I'm going to ensure that I'll be happy with my return- either social/emotional fulfillment or cash. As much as I adore my friends here, I love my family more. So no OTC time for me, no matter how wonderful what they're offering seems. I can take myself to shows or go with a RL friend, I can take myself to nice dinners, or go with a RL friend. What's more is that extremely few of my friends would even consider asking me for OTC. They get the score. The $ is a sacred boundary that must be respected at all costs.

It always amazes me when guys think dangling a nice dinner or a trip to Vegas should make ladies want to drop everything and donate time to them for this amazing experience they're offering. Why do they want to take us? For all the reasons Alyson mentioned: NSA time with a beautiful, entertaining, and articulate person who is available on your terms. Which are precisely the reasons men pay for our company. And being all of that for someone consistently (for an extended time) is an art and skill that is for good reason well compensated.

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between those who sell sex and those who sell time.

never thought you providers were mostly introverted, that's an interesting concept.  i would have thought the opposite.

thought i answered that in my response.  yes, and whatever she wants to charge/can get away with charging.

you make a lot of "what if's" scenarios to back your case (which i totally agree with, not sure why you need to respond to my comment) that i did not or will not accept as the premise for my comment.  i never have a problem eating by myself.  i'm married but separated, don't matter whom i'm seen with.  not talking about taking the same person out 5 times in a row; aside from my ex=wife, i never did, never need to, never will.  i can find arm candy for one night, if i want.  if she needs me to call her after one date, then she's got a screw loose, not me.

i'm 1000% on your side:  a lady can charge whatever she wants for her time; some guys will pay it happily.  i do not think paying a woman for time that doesn't include sex at least later in the evening is a waste of money.  but if you ladies can get it, more power to you.

i'm sure you're a fascinating person alyson, you present yourself so here on the boards.  truly i wouldn't mind spending an evening at dinner with you.  but if there's no sexy fun time involved later, i doubt truly that i would be paying you.  sorry baby but i'm pretty damn fascinating myself, and if it's just dinner, i'm worth it just as much as y ou are.

but, as i say, i would never take a provider out for dinner without establishing before hand exactly what was expected.  and i would never take a provider out just for dinner without expecting more afterwards.  just my opinion.

i would never expect you to accompany me for free. but i would never take you anywhere without establishing the parameters and payment before hand.

you ladies are complaining because guys keep trying to negotiate your prices down.  yes it sucks but welcome to capitalism.  you knew the job was dangerous when you took it.

bottom line for me:  women can charge whatever they can get, it's a free country.  personally i think charging a smaller rate for public time makes a lady more attractive to me in terms of wanting to take her out.  and i think a guy that pays for a woman's time that doesn't include sexy fun time is a schmuck.  just my opinion.

i have had a web presence for over 15 years, including a political blog that has been nationally recognized on television and in print media, and with the exception of personal professional emails, i do not ever capitalize anywhere, seeing it as the natural evolution of writing.

in the middle ages all the way through the 17th and 18th century, most nouns were capitalized, even in the middle of a sentence.  by the 20th, only proper nouns and the first word of the sentence were capitalized, at least in english.

i see cyber writing as the next step in evolution of writing, and all capitals are gone in my work.  i choose this to be so, and i am not trying to imitate ee cummings, who was a poet, and wrote in verse, something i am not doing, so your metaphor is not only woefully inadequate, it's laughable in its feeble attempt to misdirect the point.

my lack of capitals is my signature.  i write this explanation not to berate you, papa, but to let you know i do this not out of laziness or crudeness, but out of thoughtfulness.  more william gibson than mel gibson.

to each their own, but i gotta reserve my right to laugh at someone who pays for non-sexual dates.

if the op chooses mindfully to use "two" instead of "too" and has an explanation for it, as i do for non-capitalization, i'll be happy to retract my scold.

5th grade spelling mistakes are an embarrassment; lack of capitals are the natural evolution of writing imo.

It would take more of my energy to be on in public than it does to simply fuck a guy. I would need some serious alone downtime after that. I would want to be paid too.

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To deter johns from asking for this type of thing. Some hookers do not want to do dinner or anything else with their johns.  

If I choose to go OTC and have a lunch, then trust me, I am off the clock. Don't touch me, don't use sexual innuendo and I will not be on during this time. I will answer my phone and do what ever else I would do should I be having lunch with a friend. It will never be at the asking of a john. And I make sure to let them know this is a rare occurrence and not to expect it.  

Hence I do not get taken advantage of.

definitely need downtime after each engagement. I absolutely love what I do- both being in public with someone and entertaining in private, but I still need plenty of recuperation time. It's exhausting on every level you can think of, even to a total extrovert like me.  

I imagine it's only that much more intense for an introvert!

I personally would not pay a woman to hang out with me outside of play time.  Everyone has the right to spend their money as they wish, but I'd rather spend an hour each with four women, then four hours with one woman.  It can start crossing boundaries where you might think she is really your girlfriend, where you pay for dinner expecting to get something.  It seems absurd to pay for dinner then pay for "dessert" too, but if a woman can get that, great deal for her.

I have around a 2 to 3 hour window with people I really like, let alone someone I do not care for. Then I have to break away and get some alone time.

The operative term of course being "in their right mind" lovesick johns are rarely in their right mind. But honestly, if you hate it so much, why even bother?

I have been noticing this lately even more than normal. You don't seem like a very happy hooker. Are you sure it might not be time for a career change? You've always been a MHB, but lately you've been taking it to an entirely new level and it's not very becoming. Angry, bitter, jaded, these are the first things that now come to mind when your name comes up. You used to have a sense of humor about these things, but that sense of humor seems to be in short supply lately

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...It really slows me down.

...this works for me. Probably the reason.

i said eofm!!!

Yeah but, "Eee, eee, cumming!!!" is the noise he makes just before finishing.

(ba-dah-bump)

eom

If someone doesn't want sex then they can get a sugar baby for far less than an escort's social time, even when that time is reduced price. Like not 300 dollars per hour but 300 dollars for a 3-4 hour date with a sugar baby that is just as hot. Many of the men here just want pure action and can't imagine why anyone would pay alot of money for a woman to be with them without sex. I guess you could chalk it up to differening levels of oxytocin. Some men get really intense feelings of tenderness for women. Now some men will roll their eyes at this, but then some other men will roll their eyes at the generally frat boy style of the reviews on this site that go into raunchy detail about sex positions etc.  

 I've considered having a sugar baby for low priced extended dates and then seeing escorts on the side for sex. Then I realized I'm eventually going to want to give oral sex to the sugar baby so I might end up having to pay more for that anyway, but maybe not. Ideally I'd be able to give oral sex to a hot sugar baby for no extra charge because she likes it, then receive oral sex on escort dates who are really ugly and hence don't charge very much.

I've never actually complained here that guys keep trying to negotiate my prices down. That's actually not happened to me that I can remember. But I do hear other ladies complaining about that. How does a man trying to negotiate a cheaper rate make the job dangerous?
    I certainly appreciate your position, and I wish you all the most wonderful meetings in the world. But likewise, the gentlemen who enjoy compensating me for my *time* are much more attractive to me, as that is what I am selling. If one is looking to pay for sex, he should look elsewhere.

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"you knew the job was dangerous when you took it" was a reference to superchicken, a cartoon by jay ward, the guy who created rocky and bullwinkle.  it was kind of a joke, sorry not to make that clear.

what i mean by that is, you knew the risks and rewards when you got into this endeavor.  one of the risks is running into morons who constantly try to negotiate an obviously-non-negotiable rate, ie, your asking donation.

with all due respect, and i have nothing but respect for women who enter into this endeavor (and yes, i think there is a real element of danger involved;  you never know when a guy's going to go nutty and become obsessed/violent on you)...

i have matured enough in my confidence to be able to attract beautiful women enough for a dinner date.  i can be charming and flirtatious and get the same back from civvies.  i don't feel the need to pay for a woman's time just for dinner.

i still however have great insecurity in my ability to convince a girl to do the things i want in the bedroom; plus with civvies, the bedroom usually involves a deeper emotional commitment than i am wiling to make just for a night of sexy fun time. ergo i have no problem putting down an envelope for sexy fun time.  and the ladies i see under these circumstances indicate that they enjoy themselves as well.  and if they are acting, well, they are damn great actors.

i in no way meant to belittle your business practices or preferences.  of course when gentlemen lay down an envelope for dinner time with you, i am sure both of you are enjoying yourselves to the fullest, and more power to you both.  enjoy and amen.

hopefully sarah someday i'll take you to dinner and then back to the room and we can compare capitalistic philosophies on a more detailed level.  you bring the charm and i'll bring the envelope!  

I will contact you to join me.  I BET with you at my side I would look a lot better in a tuxedo.